Mountain Bike as separate activity type or tag

Please add mountain biking to the list of activities in the app because the cals vs speed are very different from road riding. Also a count down to workout start would be a good feature.

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  • +1

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  • Segment is a segment.  No classification!

    Use and be able to filter on Ride *Subtype* which could be road, MTB, bent, unicycle,  ElliptiGO or whatever. That way clubs can filter members rides (so your MTB or ElliptiGO rides aren't polluted with road ride data) - but your overall mileage challenges can still use 'ride' as top level category so it doesn't matter what you rode to get your miles. When you look at a segment you can see overall leadership board - but if you want to - just like you can filter for man, woman, day etc you can filter for ride sub-type. Then you could see where you stack up against fellow MTBers or even look at whole thing to see where you beat the roadies or whatever. 

    This thread has been going on for years with the same comments and suggestions...  It's pretty simple proposal. It shouldn't break the current data set - you could even have a smart categorisation where you assign a Ride Sub-type per your gear/equipment and any rides with that gear get automatically categorised (the default could be set to road or MTB or whatever you want for rides which didn't have gear associated with them)

    Come on Strava, time enough to make some progress on this please.

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  • That support... please don't buy premium until we have this feature

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  • Agreed

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  • Agree with and support this request. 

    Currently where I ride a road bike segment is close to a mountain bike segment and because of this the segments are combined. Therefore the leaderboard for the MTB trail is filled with much faster road bike times riding on the road only a few meters away from the MTB trail. Example is the Creek Gap segment at Manly Dam, Sydney NSW Australia, (I don't know how to make a public link to this segment) which lists road rider times on Wakehurst Parkway on the Creek Gap segment for MTBs.

    I think by creating a category for Road Bikes and one for Mountain Bikes would solve this problem, similar to having the Running category. And then having Strava somehow recategorised or automatically notify riders to modify their settings so their existing times are properly categorised.

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  • Thanks everyone - this is an active internal discussion, so please continue to post your proposed solutions and feedback here. 

    Big LBellski™ - I also like your suggestions, thanks for sharing. 

    We're very interested in and passionate about making mountain bikers feel more at home on Strava. Our lack of action so far is not because we don't support more features tailored to mountain bikers, but simply because we have too many choices to make in what we work on next with the product. We'll share any updates on this topic as soon as we have them.

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  • I think Strava needs to think about creating user selectable and definable sports categories. A bit like XML allows for the  easy creation of new data types in database programming. So cycling would be one activity type, then that could be further defined into road or MTB. But further refinements could be made: full-suspension or not, fat biking... Then when someone creates a segment they could put it under the global cycling activity, or choose any sub category. When someone creates a new activity type they could populate it with certain attributes, such as GPS tracking, HR monitoring, cadence. The best would be a totally user based control, but logistically it might be easier to have only se!ect moderators be able to create new activity types and answer/deal with requests for sub classes.

    This would allow for specific segments to exist over the same location but still allow for more global segments comparison. So for example, I could have a segment for MTB, but if I ride it with a full-suspension, I could also choose to see standings in just that sub-category, a bit like paying members can see age rankings.

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  • I agree with Bill P below.  I believe he defined the use case nicely. 

    I am not so sure that tagging segments as MTB or ROAD would help much, as I do train on the road with my MTB as well as on MTB trails. However, a selection of ROAD or Mountain Bike on the activity with the ability to filter on that will help me compare my road rides with other MTB riders on road segments. And, please, do not reserve this for premium!

    I see that Strava has 1.2 million users, of which 192 000 are paying members - i.e. premium users. I cancelled my Premium membership as it is too expensive - I live in a developing country AND am retiring shortly. 

    What if you reduce the fee by half and increase your paid members by three? And possibly provide a further 50% discount for the 65+ group?

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  • Elle & Mark Shaw!,

    [this is posted to the common threads on same topic]

     

    It would be really useful if you could address the specific idea of properly using Ride *Subtype*. People get hung up about having a MTB vs Road category - which is sort of a red-herring - and also wouldn't be that useful (overall).

    by keeping *Ride* for all things cycling (one 1 to many wheels), lying, sitting, standing etc - you have a common baseline / superset for all leaderboards and clubs (by default).

    Then you add filters to leaderboards and to clubs for Ride *Sub-type* - this can be any of a number of things - Road, MTB, Unicycle, Trike, HPV, Recumbent, Elliptical.

    When you upload a ride you either select sub-type directly - or link it to a value associated with your gear selection. 

    That's it. Don't worry about segment categorisation - anyone who rides it gets logged with their ride sub-type which can then be used to filter leaderboard.

    One *nice* thing to do though would make it so that you can have multiple places on the leaderboard depending on the subtype - that is fair - its nice to see how fast you got up a ride on your MTB vs your road-bike - you don't have to add this - you could still figure it out by filtering - all your rides are still in there.

    This would also stop people creating multiple accounts for the different bikes they ride (I know lots of people who do this so they don't mess up particular bike club data which is only for one type of bike).

    I'm going to repost to the other common threads.

    Thanks


    Bill

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  • An other argument for having different activity type, is joining challenges, like the distance or climb challenge: It doesn't really make sens to join such a challenge with a MTB...

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  • I AGREE

     

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  • I'd like to see a MTB environment.  Just as running data is not included in cycling.  MTB is different from road.  Here are some feature suggestions.

    Stava MTB Features
    - Separate MTB domain
    - User selects Cycle-MTB, Cycle-Road, Run, etc.
    - all current features for MTB only
    - Adjust calorie burn for MTB: up, flat, down
    - Mark segment as “do not count in ride milage, time, elevation, calories” for shuttle rides and chair lifts
    - Elevation drop as tracked parameter (as well as elevation gain, makes a difference when I'm shuttling or chair lifting up a hill)
    - Add tire sealant to bike gear to track when to change out the sealant
    - Add set milage and date level for alarm to service bike gear
    - When road and trail are too close for GPS lock, default to the trail

     

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  • This request has been around for at least 4 years? I'm sure it's easier to implement than "motivational features"? Isn't it literally just adding a new category? Even if you don't provide the ability to bulk update rides and segments, at the very least we could categorize all of our rides going forward as "Mountain Biking".

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  • Don't add new top level category - you want to inherit and be part of "Ride" - I.e. Cycling - start to actually properly use SUBTYPE - that's where Road, MTB, unicycle, elliptical or whatever can be used to:

    • Filter leaderboards
    • Setup club activity types - so only MTB rides would be counted in a MTB centric club and not road rides 
    • Filter your own activities 
    • Automatically use "gear" or MTB vs Road from previous rides to set your Subtype properly for historic rides.
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  • were still waiting for a change with the MTB implementation........

     

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  • Bill P., that would be ideal but I don't think Strava's system can handle that, which is why you see "Alpine Ski", "Backcountry Ski", "Nordic Ski", "Roller Ski", "Snowboarding", etc. They should all just fall under "Snow" or "Ski".

    The simplest and most immediate thing they can do is to just add "Mountain Biking" and then figure how to make those sub categories.

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  • But trying to do quick fix by just adding MTB to top level activities would be detrimental - all the riding challenges would by default not be counted (because they use Ride top level activity type). I'm not sure leaderboards would work either. Just like you don't see runners on your Ride/cycling leadboard you wouldn't see MTB.  clubs and challenges would be broken too.

    That is why we HAVE to use activity sub-types to do this properly. I think if they are smart the Strava programmers could make the changes in a matter of weeks. Yes - the backlog of database will need updating but I really don't see why anything would break.  

    They need to add type+Subtype to some code instead of activity type. And then allow type plus no Subtype to cover all subtypes. So you can filter on Ride or have a club with Ride or challenge with ride and it will pick up all subtypes - but a club or challenge  or filter with ride+MTB will only match those.

    Strava/ Mark Shaw - if you need help to analyze this change to the system and even update dbs or code you have a wealth of programming experience in your Strava customers who I'm sure would behappy to help. If you send me your database details I'll be happy to help! 

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  • Yes Yes Yes.

    So annoying looking for new good MTB segments. Would it be at all possible just to identify segments that just don't follow known roads!?

    Tom

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  • Agree. This is essential and has taken too long already to implement. 

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  • I see a lot of comments here but please make sure to vote up this feature guys. This one is currently number 8th most important sorted by number of votes even though it seems like the most important.

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  • Ok then  "vote".  Done.  Seriously, 8 months on from when I first joined Strava, nothing has changed.  Why is that?  Is it because it is difficult to implement with out loosing old progress?  I don't care about that.  Have a zero day and restart eveyone's clock.

    One problem that is even more apparent now than before is that "Mountain" or "road" are not the only kind of bike but they are the people who are most passionate about their sport( aside:- My local bike shop is going over to road ONLY).  People like me who commute, go for a forest ride, jump across town or along the disused railway line on our hybrid/CX/DS bikes are completely out of the mix .... I don't want to navigate, only record - amongst similar bikes. 

    Could you split by tyre width?  That would give a general indication of who is riding an what they are doing and also a rough power output for a given distance.0-28mm (racing),  28 - 35mm touring/commute), and 35mm up (mountain).

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  • Please add MTB as an activity type. Being able to specify a segment as either road or MTB would also help I think (as there are times when trails go very close to segments and people road biking are counted as MTB and vice versa).

    Thx!

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  • 200,000 subscribers yet this post being 3.5 years old now and Strava has still yet to do something. Whereas the guy who makes Ghostracer on his own is constantly updating and refining his app. Pull your fingers out of your ...

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  • This is a "no brainer". Can't believe this thread is 3+ years old :-(

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  • Please please please please...

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  • By taking so long to address this, if feels like Strava is just hoping all us Mountain Bikers will just go away.  How long until we actually do?  We should all start using a different app that specializes in MTB.  

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  • Every time I go to segment explorer to try to learn the trail system in a new area I give up and reference MTB Project or Trailforks instead. When I am looking to ride trails I DO NOT want to see road segments. I am sure road riders would prefer to only see dirt segments if they are commonly ridden on road rides.

    The lack of initiative to implement this separation of completely different sports baffles me. I still pay premium for Strava but I foresee other developers are taking note of strava's complacency. When another company does launch an app that caters to MTB community I would feel no need to continue paying Strava.

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  • The main issue I have is sometimes not being able to quickly distinguish between MTB rides / segments. It's easy to assume that a particular segment is road-safe (esp in unmarked areas or parks) when its actually a MTB trail of sorts.

    Distinguishing the two usually requires looking at Satellite data or finding someone's bike type. Being able to filter these segments out from Segment exploration would be VERY helpful. Also on the converse, I would think MTB riders do not want to see road segs everywhere and would like to find trails faster.

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  • Strava is not listening. A response from their developers or management to let us know why they do not want to do this would show some decency from their company.

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  • Hey folks - there is a project manager assigned to this topic and we're working to spec out the potential project. 

    There are a few different trends in the feedback regarding mountain bike activities on Strava - what would you most like to see us implement? What's most important to you? 

    A few of the trends I've noticed:

    • Mountain bikers would like to filter a segment leaderboard based on GEAR type (bike type) OR based on sub-activity type = mountain bike
    • Designate a separate activity type for Mountain Biking, but share the same segments as other cycling activities (sub-activity type) 
    • Separate out profile stats into sub-activity type (Mountain biking vs Road biking stats) 
    • Restrict a Strava club to only show mountain bike activities (sub-activity type)
    • Separate Trail segments from Road segments to better visualize in the Segment Visualizer, on a Segment page, in Strava Routes, etc.
    • Ability to visualize a trail network

    What did I miss? 

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