Should Virtual Ride Data Count Towards Cycling Stats?

Virtual Rides should count towards weekly cycling times and distances.  If anything the time spent in our garages should count double ;-)

 

It would also be great if virtual rides showed up visually as part of the cycling 'circles' in the Training log, not as an '+XT' at the bottom.  

 

These changes would help keep better track of how much we're training and how many days we're on the bike, regardless of format.

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  • But I Need the same Option in the Stravaclubs so you can filter Indoor from outdoor Clubs.

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  • Separate stats please :)

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  • Virtual stats separate from outdoor but with a combined total available would be ideal.

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  • I agree with Eric W above: separate indoor and outdoor stats. 

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  • I agree with Eric W above: separate indoor and outdoor stats. 

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  • Hello. I have just the same request as Edward Oosthoshek. One should have an ability to filter "Virtual rides" and "Actual outdoor rides" in  club leaderboards. Last winter I could easily separate indoor sessions from outdoor rides by sorting on elevation gain value, but since virtual elevation got into count it has became difficult to guess if the person had actually ridden a bike.

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  • Yes, my vote is on the separate stats as well. At the moment the situation is really confusing. In my particular case I have the following scenarios:

    - normal outdoor rides: counted as usual

    - Smart trainer rides with Zwift or similar apps: counted in the same way as a real ride

    - Dumb trainer rides: time and HR counted (not using speed sensor)

    I'd personally prefer all the Indoor rides to be treated the same, ideally HR and time would be used to calculate Suffer Score and Fitness, but mileage should not be added to total miles and the miles on a particular bike.

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  • Please can we have a different icon in the activity feed for virtual rides so they are visually different. It must be very confusing if you actually live in Vanikoro.

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  • I'm fine with virtual rides showing up on strava but they should not count toward mileage goals in clubs or challenges. Simply put virtual rides are exercise but they are not cycling and pedaling on a trainer in your basement or living room is not the same as riding outdoors.

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  • Air resistance, wind, rain. You can virtually ride whatever road you want, if you stay dry in your garage, it's easier to push watts. I live in the north of Europe, I used to live in Canada. It's now easier to bike in the winter months. but it still tuff on some mornings. Yet all I see on my feed is Zwift rides.

     

    Dont get me wrong, I gave spinning classes for four years. it's just not the same. ride outside, in the traffic to get to your loop, makes you a better cyclist. Strava should go in a direction where Zwift rides have their own rankings and challenges. 

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  • Strava - Any movement one way or another on this? 

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  • When will Strava give a reaction???

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  • I would like to see Zwift have their own as well.  In Southern Oregon if you are riding outside it's below 40 degrees, major wind and rough roads.  OR you travel 70 miles over icy roads to hit MTB trails because our local trails have 3 ft of snow.  I ride indoors too but I'd really just like to see only my outdoor rides in my YTD stats!

     

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  • Another vote for seperate stats. There is value in knowing how many virtual miles you have ridden, but why cant we have a split? Strava already logs zwift rides as "virtual" so why cant it seperate the virtual miles and the "real" miles! Surely it would be quite simple!!!

    Strava, any answers?

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  • Separate buckets.  I'd like to track but not have it add to my real miles and elevation.

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  • +1 to separate virtual rides from outdoor, real ones...theres no comparison between those two activities...

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  • Id like to see running totals of road riding kms, stationary trainer kms and commuting kms as well as the overall which we have now.  Then i can analyse how my work is affecting my training!

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  • OK Strava - back in March of 2016 you said you liked the idea of separate stats for real vs virtual and reading through everyone's comments it seems pretty much every single person agrees that's the way to go.  So we're a year+ later and there's still no separate stats, no filter, no checkbox, no nothing...  Between this request and the multi year outstanding request to be able to change your race team - https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/208844507-Allow-users-to-change-the-TEAM-as-listed-on-the-Profile-page - this is getting a bit frustrating.  Neither of these seem like real tough changes to make.  Is there any hope???  Thanks.

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  • +1 to separate indoor/outdoor.

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  • I would prefer separate to combined, but why not a toggle like for commuting?  Or toggle within stats "Include virtual rides in statistics? Y/N"

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  • Another vote for separating virtual rides from outdoor miles.

    It's getting to that time of year when I will be starting to train on a turbo. I don't want my mileage/elevation stats messed up by my choice of indoor exercise. That said, I'd still like to be able to track that exercise.

    So just like you can see cycling, running and swimming stats, adding another catogory to cover virtual miles would be awesome.

    Also, it would be great if clubs had the option to include/not include virtual miles on their leaderboards. Or better still, run two leaderboards. For cycling, and one for indoor exercises.

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  • I submitted a similar request before I saw this; since Strava has added a "Virtual" filter for the Year Progression stats, I submitted a request for a Virtual filter for the remaining stats, the ones under "My Stats" like Last 4 Weeks, the ones for the current year, and All-Time.

    The one that's bugging me in particular is Biggest Climb, which for me is currently showing a Zwift climb; I would like to see my biggest actual climb, so a Virtual filter would fix this: https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/115000591984-Add-Virtual-filter-for-Biggest-Climb-and-other-stats (post is Pending Approval as I write this). The suggested workaround of making all my Virtual rides Private is impractical, as there are way too many, plus that would affect other stats and would prevent me from sharing those rides with other users.

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  • Please Strava also filter indoor from outdoor stats for the club leader board!!
    It unfair
    Indoor = fitness and had nothing to do with the spirit of riding your bike!!!!!
    Outdoor = the only real thing you can call biking.
    Is Strava a fitnesstool or a cyclists app???

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  • I think it's pretty easy to undermine the notion that virtual miles shouldn't be counted "because they don't simulate 'real' road miles." What is a "real' road mile? I live in Fort Worth, TX, where 100 feet of elevation over 20 miles is "hilly," so is it fair that I compete mile-for-mile with my hometown friends who live in the Appalachians? They do 10 miles, I do 30, who had more "real" miles? Certainly, I covered more distance, but they absolutely worked harder (as I discovered when I returned home once and tried to keep up). Ideas about "stationaries don't have wind" forget that a a "there and back" ride can have 10-mpg gusts making the return trip much easier (as I discovered when I did a 35-mile east-west and bonked because all my training had been south-north, where I always had a tailwind coming back). A mile on just about any given day is not comparable to a mile on another day, and anyone with PM+HR+Dist+Time data can see. That anyone would complain challenges based solely on how many miles one rode are somehow unbalanced by stationary "miles" is fooling themselves that the results were already balanced. Heck, we're talking about Strava here, where 1200-mile rides at 34k feet with a 300mpg AVS aren't deleted as a matter of course (and aren't always automatically flagged). Heck, did "Fred" even change the circumference in his sensor-based cyclo when he moved between his road bike and MTB?

    Whether or not stationary should be included may be a good debate (if push came to shove, I'd say keep them together), but let's at least dispense with the illusion that, by excluding stationary miles, we're somehow getting to a more realistic comparison. Until we can compensate for weather, locale, and hardware ($300 alu vs $3000 carbon frame!), all miles are "relative" for the purposes of who wins what challenge.

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  • I think it is utterly ridiculous that people can sit on a trainer, 'climb' Alpe D'Huez or whatever and have that ascent added to their climbing stats as if they've climbed it for real. I use Trainer Road and do climbing interval sessions but I would not want that 'virtual ascent' as part of my overall stats. Being sat on a trainer in pixelland is nothing like climbing a mountain in the real world. In pixelland there is no real weather, no headwind, crosswind, no double point of contact, and thus more resistance, with the road. And you don't have to haul the weight of the bike up the hill along with your own body weight. Zwift is agood addition to winter training if it keeps people pedalling, but it is virtual, not real. Please separate the stats.

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  • Mickey B just explained it very good. Please Strava give a Reaction because more and more users are getting Irritated by the Virtual Insanity People!

     

    See this:

    https://www.strava.com/clubs/192032

    https://www.strava.com/clubs/327008

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  • NO, virtual rides must not count towards total stats. They are a stationary trainer rides. I don't want to have them count to my totals, how can I stop that nonsense?

    Strava should make a separate "virtual" ride stats for the insane Zwifters and such. And that has to be done YESTERDAY !!!

    ;)

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  • I've commented before but I'd like to again request the virtual rides be excluded from YTD Stats.  I just started using Zwift, it's great.  But elevation on a trainer is not really elevation and miles inside just do not compare to rides outside in the wind, rain, cracked and chip sealed roads.  Not to mention Zwift will never come close to replicating the technical skills required to MTB where most of our elevation (for those of us who ride both road and MTB) is earned!

    Surely it would be a simple program modification to have two columns in the stats field, one for actual outdoor activities and one for virtual?!

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  • Just like grega said, more and more people are getting annoyed by the virtual insanity! Strava is creating the matrix with this swift stuff. Soon nobody of us all, are outside doing what made us an outdoor sport. At least we should separate cycling activitys from fitness activitys like zwift.

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  • Hi Stava this problem is only growing worse. I can only surmise that Strava thinks giving full credit to virtual rides is somehow good for the business model. They pollute the data, rankings and stats. You need to fix this I've already begun to look at Garmin connect more.

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