Should Virtual Ride Data Count Towards Cycling Stats?

Virtual Rides should count towards weekly cycling times and distances.  If anything the time spent in our garages should count double ;-)

 

It would also be great if virtual rides showed up visually as part of the cycling 'circles' in the Training log, not as an '+XT' at the bottom.  

 

These changes would help keep better track of how much we're training and how many days we're on the bike, regardless of format.

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  • Add Dashboard option for "Virtual" rides.  Do not include virtual in our main Dashboard.
    Add another column breaking out YTD stats for Virtual only.
    I set up another Strava account for Zwift so I can see my stats since Zwift doesn't provide that info, but I don't want pages of virtual rides taking up my feed.  And I don't want to see virtual elevation as part of my totals.
    After 5 years of paying fro Strava I stopped because this discussion has been going on forever and nothing is being done.

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  • @ Charles Allen.
    Yes I know. I already came up with a solution , like many others did. Just separate stats is fine for me. I just felt discriminated by the zwift types. The thing is that two worlds collide at the moment on Strava, and Strava didn't do anything at all to keep both sides satisfide.
    At the moment the normal, not indoor cyclist are left alone by Strava. See the answers. People are annoyed, and Strava doesn't bother it. Yes Strava is a great app, and I hope it will be for both sides.
    Just separate stats and let club owners decide if it will be a virtual or reality club and the war will be over.

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  • Separate stats, please.

    Separate, segregate, differentiate, ... so that the folks that like to add everything, they can add, .. but the folks that we don't like to put everything in the same basket, we have an option!

     

    Add options! Where is the downsize of doing so?

     

    Thanks

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  • Just noticed a "Include Virtual Rides" on my profile page. How long has this been there? Is it a new thing?

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  • @Carl - that option is _only_ for you to view your own stuff. Doesn't have any bearing on the mileage that you see from other folks.

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  • I can only see it when using a browser, and it didn’t stand out the first time I noticed. Nestled in between two elements on the right side.

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  • I see. Thanks @Chris. Well, at least we know the functionality is there.

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  • Indoor (virtual) rides should be seperate from outdoor activities in calendar, statistics, goals etc.

    I have another problem with this anyway. When I ride on indoor trainer, Strava include my distance to all gear's components. But I don't use my front wheel and tire. At then end distance for my front tire is much higher than real distance.

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  • I don't believe virtual/trainer/zwift kms/miles should count towards weekly/monthly/yearly/lifetime totals. I believe that a non-road ride should be qualified by power/cadence/heartrate by an average power/ total effort type metric.  The same effort could be less kms with lots of climbing or no climbing with huge miles. Not to mention the lack of proper calibration in the setups. If it is a must that the mileage must be counted there should be an asterisk next to the values that allows one to click and have broken down or filtered to remove the "fake" kms. I occasionally use a spin bike at my gym and while is somewhat similar to a bicycle feel it is no where the same. i do use my garmin and when it connects it does not pull speed/distance data - even thought I realize those values are at best an approximation and I never post them to strava.

    Something should also be said for people who tough it out in cold weather vs the guy in his climate controlled basement watching tv, not having to balance etc.

    Thanks for listening.

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  • I would very much like to be able to have separate reporting for outdoor vs. trainer/virtual rides, along with different time totals and metrics. Since I subscribe to VeloViewer, I can see those totals separately. But I would like to see them separately on Strava. 

    Indoor riding is very efficient for training: there is no place to hide, as you can't coast. And the structured workouts are repeatable and consistent; no tailwinds inside....

    Thanks.

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  • I think it is ridiculous to include virtual rides in weekly/monthly/yearly/lifetime totals without differentiating between real outdoor and trainer/virtual miles.

    They must be clearly separated, it must be made obvious the amount of miles that are trainer/virtual rides.

    My mileage total of 60,074.7 (2015-2019) average just over 15,000 miles per year are hard earned in the Yorkshire weather all year round. 

    The virtual trainer miles can be counted in the totals for me but only if it is made obvious the amount or percentage of trainer/virtual miles included in the total.

    Regards

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  • Dez - so by that reasoning those miles ridden in sunshine should be counted differently?  Perhaps a factor is applied to all miles based on the weather conditions at the time?  Miles ridden with a tailwind certainly should count for less.  Miles ridden downhill count for 1/4 mile?  Really, ONLY miles ridden uphill into a headwind while it's snowing should count as full miles since clearly everything else is barely earned.  And let's not get started with mountain bikers or fat bikers and how terrain should factor in.  What about you wimps out there drafting - let's add that to the list.  When you get done with your ride you indicate what percentage of your ride you were pulling vs sitting in.  Stop worrying about "fair" cause no matter what you do you someone could come up with something stupid like this and just ride your damn bikes people.  Good hell.

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  • I can see it both ways, but look how many 1000s of athletes track their fitness through Training Peaks and are uploading programming from their coaches for indoor trainers. Should they be limited to tracking performance through TP and not Strava? Look at those riders who were selected to ride on continental teams through Zwift Power two years ago, you think the efforts they posted in Strava and Zwift shouldn't count toward landing their contracts. I ski a shit load of miles which includes a lot of elevation gain over the winter, but I don't get credit for that. 

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  • This argument has gotten a little off track - why debate how Strava should count for others?  I just want the ability to easily separate my "virtual" mileage from my on road mileage (and other stats).  Pretty basic feature to allow me to "show only outdoor stats" or whatever they want to call it.  Someone else can ignore the feature (that is, if it existed).

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  • Ryan. It's very simple. Virtual rides never happened, that's why they are called: virtual. THE BIKE NEVER MOVED FROM ITS PLACE.SO IT NEVER TRAVELD A DISTANCE.

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  • Miles outdoors on the road are obviously real miles whatever the conditions. Virtual/trainer miles are just not real. Why so defensive? All I want is for the virtual/trainer miles included in any totals to be clearly indicated as virtual/trainer miles.

    If I were to use a trainer for virtual rides I would "man-up" and have a separate free account in Strava and use that for virtual rides. 

    Regards

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  • My feeling on this is not to discount the trainer time/distance; it's real effort and accomplishment. In fact, the trainer time is often more intense and much more efficient, since you can't coast. I just want to have a way to segregate it in the display and tracking, since I think the activities are so different from road cycling. You can mix them together if you want. But Zwift time/duration is different from road time. 

     

    David

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  • We are all saying it should be up to the user to select what should count to the total times/distance/elevation.

    I find it ridiculous that "real" rides that I choose to lock/hide don't count toward my total sum, but all Zwift rides (hidden or not) magically do. But they don't count for Challenges. So which one is it, Strava? Or the fact that it shows I have "climbed" 6000+ m already in two weeks of 2019 when I really haven't.

    Or, what most of us want from the start, to have virtual and real separated. Running distance doesn't count in cycling stats, neither should Zwift/virtual/indoor sessions. That should be a completely separate category (like running/swimming/whatever)

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  • Andrew H - the basic feature of any kind of filter has been rejected by Strava, though it seems to be the most requested feature. Strava strives for a one size fits all solution and squashes any idea of individuality for how to view events on their website. So instead of filters, we get non-chronological news feed, and no choice on virtual rides.

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  • It's very simple. Strava is getting paid to promote Zwift. No other explanation makes sense.

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  • I "manned up" and set up a diff Strava account last year.  So then I had 2 Strava and a Zwift account and it gets to be a major pain when you want to go for a quick ride somewhere inside or out!  I like to track my activities on Strava.  Everything, swimming, biking, running.  It seems like if they can split the running and the biking they could split the virtual and the outdoor and we'd all be happy.  But this year I'm opting for 1 Strava and I'm happy to kudo anyone who gets on a bike of some sort and pedals!

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  • You can always get Elevate browser extension (formerly stravastix) https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-ab&q=stravastix which shows you a full breakdown with/without virtual miles/time/rides.  Won't work on mobile, but works with Chrome and Firefox quite well and has a lot of other features that you may also like.  Won't change what you view for other people but let's you break out your own data.

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  • Sorry Debbie, I could have been more PC with the "man-up" comment.

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  • So don't you think then, if someone can program an extension for web browser that does this, it should be pretty easy for the Strava programmers to implement this?

    The other question is why the frack don't they...

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  • Traineroad is the platform I prefer over Zwift but the miles of these virtually rides are well, what do you think

    1hr = 31.64 miles 

    3hr = 86.64 miles

    Now Team Sky where do I sign :0) ££££££

    I don't want these miles to count towards my yearly totals but I would like them on Strava.

    The other feature I would like to see is a favourites section so you can filter out certain athletes and focus on the ones that matter, with out hurting their feelings or making thing awkward on club rides 

     

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  • I think you should display stats for virtual rides and real rides separately, but would not hurt to have a combined total as well.

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  • do I set up peloton rides as virtual rides or simply click indoor cyclying. I hate that these peloton rides are treated as part of my annual total- is there a way on my profile to break them out separately 

     

     

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  • Am I the only one who thinks outside riding is actually easier than smart trainer riding? Maybe it's just me but my heat levels go atomic inside even with 2 windows open and a massive fan in front of me.  My average pace is also about 2mph lower than average rides outside....

    Nothing against separate stats like, in fact I'd support it, so long as I could also see a total of both together if I want.

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