Should Virtual Ride Data Count Towards Cycling Stats?

Virtual Rides should count towards weekly cycling times and distances.  If anything the time spent in our garages should count double ;-)

 

It would also be great if virtual rides showed up visually as part of the cycling 'circles' in the Training log, not as an '+XT' at the bottom.  

 

These changes would help keep better track of how much we're training and how many days we're on the bike, regardless of format.

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  • Offizieller Kommentar

    The solution proposed below to separate cycling stats into buckets for cycling distance/time/elevation and virtual ride distance/time/elevation is a good one - Thanks for adding that. 

    Internally, we're trying to get a sense of how folks feel on this topic, so please continue to pass along your feedback. How do you feel virtual data should count in your profile stats? Especially in regard to counting virtual elevation gain in with total elevation gain metrics? 

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  • The issue I'm running in to is the Zwift Elevation and Distance are not REAL. The only thing that is real is POWER. I would hate to compare my Strava stats to somebody else, and see they've climbed 12,000 feet this month, and I've climbed 24,000 feet -- but know that most of that was "virtual climbs" on Zwift... makes me feel like a cheater.

    Power output is a quantifiable distance. Elevation from Zwift is a made up number based on a pretend course.

    How about this, Strava, break up the elevation (and mileage stats):

    Real Elevation 2016: XX,XXX feet
    Virtual Elevation 2016: XX,XXX feet

    And likewise:

    Real Distance 2016: X,XXX miles
    Trainer Distance 2016: X,XXX miles

    Without this distinction, the stats on Strava become meaningless... Especially when comparing yourself to others.

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  • I'd be fine with the suggestions that Big LBellski had. Only speaking for myself, I'd actually prefer they were broken up as suggested. Although I would like to see [Grand Total] as well as [Time].

    Elevation [Year]: XX,XXX feet (m)
    Virtual Elevation [Year]: XX,XXX feet (m)
      Combined Elevation Total [Year]: XX.XXX feet (m)

    Distance [Year]: X,XXX miles (km)
    Virtual Distance [Year]: X,XXX miles (km)
      Combined Distance Total [Year]: X,XXX miles (km)

    Total Time [Year]: XX:XX:XX (days, hours, minutes)
    Virtual Time [Year]: XX:XX:XX (days, hours, minutes)
      Combined Time Total [Year]: XX:XX:XX (days, hours, minutes)

     

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  • I just bought a trainer and I'm disappointed that Strava does not separate outdoor from indoor "miles."  Isn't Strava all about getting people OUTSIDE to have an adventure?  I personally don't like sitting in a dark basement and going NO WHERE...but I'm realizing the importance of my indoor time is so I can have a better time outdoors.  I would prefer these miles being separate so I can track each.

    Also, shouldn't this be a super easy thing for Strava to separate?  I mean, they are already classifying it as a virtual ride, so how hard is it to give indoor rides separate stats (or just to give us a choice how we want to see it)?

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  • I don't have zwift, and don't like that it counts for mileage, especially during the brutal winter months, when just getting outside is hard enough.  I don't mind home training, but mixing real outside riding segment KOMs and PRs with indoor stuff seems... wrong.

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  • Separate stats please.

    I use a trainer when the weather is too bad to ride or I don't have time to ride AND clean a bike. I want to see the data from these exercise sessions (that's all they are) and I like the Strava interface, but I don't want it counting towards my annual totals because it's not a distance that I have physically covered.

    It's like saying you've had 'X' sexual partners, but including all the pornstars you've ever whacked off to aswell. IT'S NOT REAL!

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  • I think it is utterly ridiculous that people can sit on a trainer, 'climb' Alpe D'Huez or whatever and have that ascent added to their climbing stats as if they've climbed it for real. I use Trainer Road and do climbing interval sessions but I would not want that 'virtual ascent' as part of my overall stats. Being sat on a trainer in pixelland is nothing like climbing a mountain in the real world. In pixelland there is no real weather, no headwind, crosswind, no double point of contact, and thus more resistance, with the road. And you don't have to haul the weight of the bike up the hill along with your own body weight. Zwift is agood addition to winter training if it keeps people pedalling, but it is virtual, not real. Please separate the stats.

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  • In the cold winter months its getting more important to distinguish between real and virtual rides. Each mile spent outside in the cold, fighting the wind, in the dark while navigating the real world streets is certainly not equaled by a mile spent on a trainer. The psychological factors are worth noting. In the real world every mile you head out, is another mile you have to head back. This requires you to plan, commit, and push through a hard ride. While inside on a trainer, non of that is at play. You can ride till you feel you are done and just hop off. I'm in favor of the 2 bucket approach. 

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  • I'm no longer uploading Zwift rides to Strava. My mileage goal for 2017 is only for outside miles. I'm on a dumb trainer so any metrics from Zwift are worthless. But I do love Zwift much easier to workout, race, ride with the game. Fantastic.

    I just want separate mileage for in/out riding. My own fix is to avoid it all on Strava.

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  • Resistance does not equal elevation. Riding in a headwind is hard, but you aren't (necessarily) climbing. Riding with a trailer is hard, but it isn't (necessarily) climbing. Dialing up the resistance on a trainer is hard, but it isn't (ever) climbing - regardless of what the pixels on the screen in front of you are doing.

    But it's fun to keep track of, which is why I suggested the buckets approach in February.

    As it stands, I get around the issue by logging my miles from my trainer and deleting my Zwift elevation data. Though I'd still like to be able to count virtual miles vs actual.

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  • I'm fine with virtual rides showing up on strava but they should not count toward mileage goals in clubs or challenges. Simply put virtual rides are exercise but they are not cycling and pedaling on a trainer in your basement or living room is not the same as riding outdoors.

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  • I ride on the actual Richmond World 2015 course daily. It's maddening to have all this junk data appear from virtual riders not dealing with dodging cars and staying alive. Please stop the madness and shunt these people off to their separate virtual world.

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  • Virtual stats separate from outdoor but with a combined total available would be ideal.

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  • Hello. I have just the same request as Edward Oosthoshek. One should have an ability to filter "Virtual rides" and "Actual outdoor rides" in  club leaderboards. Last winter I could easily separate indoor sessions from outdoor rides by sorting on elevation gain value, but since virtual elevation got into count it has became difficult to guess if the person had actually ridden a bike.

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  • Air resistance, wind, rain. You can virtually ride whatever road you want, if you stay dry in your garage, it's easier to push watts. I live in the north of Europe, I used to live in Canada. It's now easier to bike in the winter months. but it still tuff on some mornings. Yet all I see on my feed is Zwift rides.

     

    Dont get me wrong, I gave spinning classes for four years. it's just not the same. ride outside, in the traffic to get to your loop, makes you a better cyclist. Strava should go in a direction where Zwift rides have their own rankings and challenges. 

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  • Separate buckets.  I'd like to track but not have it add to my real miles and elevation.

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  • But I Need the same Option in the Stravaclubs so you can filter Indoor from outdoor Clubs.

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  • Separate stats please :)

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  • I agree with Eric W above: separate indoor and outdoor stats. 

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  • Another vote for seperate stats. There is value in knowing how many virtual miles you have ridden, but why cant we have a split? Strava already logs zwift rides as "virtual" so why cant it seperate the virtual miles and the "real" miles! Surely it would be quite simple!!!

    Strava, any answers?

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  • Another vote for separating virtual rides from outdoor miles.

    It's getting to that time of year when I will be starting to train on a turbo. I don't want my mileage/elevation stats messed up by my choice of indoor exercise. That said, I'd still like to be able to track that exercise.

    So just like you can see cycling, running and swimming stats, adding another catogory to cover virtual miles would be awesome.

    Also, it would be great if clubs had the option to include/not include virtual miles on their leaderboards. Or better still, run two leaderboards. For cycling, and one for indoor exercises.

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  • +1 to separate indoor/outdoor.

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  • NO, virtual rides must not count towards total stats. They are a stationary trainer rides. I don't want to have them count to my totals, how can I stop that nonsense?

    Strava should make a separate "virtual" ride stats for the insane Zwifters and such. And that has to be done YESTERDAY !!!

    ;)

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  • @mathew m...

    It’s not about them not counting, but they should be listed at actual/virtual. I live in a flat part of the country so my yearly climbing is completely screwed by the climbing that’s done on zwift. My biggest climb is also listed as a zwift climb! Virtual climbing is not the same as climbing in real life so why not just separate the stats...show virtual and actual. It’s pretty simple I would say!

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  • Separate stats, please.

    Separate, segregate, differentiate, ... so that the folks that like to add everything, they can add, .. but the folks that we don't like to put everything in the same basket, we have an option!

     

    Add options! Where is the downsize of doing so?

     

    Thanks

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  • Indoor (virtual) rides should be seperate from outdoor activities in calendar, statistics, goals etc.

    I have another problem with this anyway. When I ride on indoor trainer, Strava include my distance to all gear's components. But I don't use my front wheel and tire. At then end distance for my front tire is much higher than real distance.

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  • I agree with Eric W above: separate indoor and outdoor stats. 

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  • +1 to separate virtual rides from outdoor, real ones...theres no comparison between those two activities...

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  • OK Strava - back in March of 2016 you said you liked the idea of separate stats for real vs virtual and reading through everyone's comments it seems pretty much every single person agrees that's the way to go.  So we're a year+ later and there's still no separate stats, no filter, no checkbox, no nothing...  Between this request and the multi year outstanding request to be able to change your race team - https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/208844507-Allow-users-to-change-the-TEAM-as-listed-on-the-Profile-page - this is getting a bit frustrating.  Neither of these seem like real tough changes to make.  Is there any hope???  Thanks.

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  • The stats should be split... Riding 20 miles in the dark (lights) with the cold wind and rain should count more than sitting at home in the warm. Now you are giving altitude stats as well as distance it is crazy!!

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