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E-bike Rides on Cycling Leaderboards

No fun having strava. Trying to get up the table on your times and putting all the effort in. So that a ebike can just beat your time without even trying !!!! Really not my reason for joining strava to chase motorbikes !!!! They should be taken off and given their own result tables. But there will be the ones that won't admit they using ebikes. So the fun as now gone !!!! Hope people follow my lead and leave strava unless something is done about it ????? 

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  • Christian - First off, we are not debating pros versus amateur. That is a whole different discussion. We are debating e-bikes versus "regular" bikes. They are just two different mechanical devices. One is fully human powered, one is assisted with a motor. That is what separates them and should automatically put them in different categories. I am fully aware of the UCI and other high level real world racing scenes. How many world championship races have you been part of again? I can guarantee you that a leaderboard in any high level event, UCI included, will not show racers on e-bikes on the same leaderboard with non e-bikes. They will have their own category. Yes, there are other things that separate groups out by category, but again, that is a separate conversation.

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  • Yesterday an old guy gets to the top of a 1.5km / 14% gravel hill on his electric motor bike with pedal assist and proudly boasts he holds the KOM for that section - as I sat on a rock gasping for air.
    What a joke Strava has become. Shame.
    Can anyone suggest an alternate app for cyclists?

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  • Can’t you just flag it? Wipe the smile off his face?

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  • Did ya ever think that maybe he's smiling because he knew it would get a reaction like that?  Eat more fiber. And don't take this stuff so seriously.  And flag the ride.  And then go ride.  You'll be fine.

     

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  • It is flagged

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  • E-bikes are to bikes what e-mail is to mail. One day unassisted pedal bikes may be called "snail bikes".

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  • Well there are almost 100 comments so far. Haven't read every single one, so apologies if I am going to repeat what may have already been said earlier.

    Some of you may be publishing your ride incorrectly by mistake but others are deliberately cheating or simply don't care. 

    There is provision for correctly recording your ride if using an e-bike.

    If using an Android phone :

    Click on your activity
    Click on the 3 dots at the top RHS of the screen and select edit
    On the same line as Ride there is a small downward arrow
    Click on this and 32 different activities will show. Scroll down until you see E-bike ride.
    Select this and everyone will be happy 😊

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  • agree with the leaderboard being messed.... but....surely thats not unique to e-bike. i have seen people turn on their gps unit and throw it in the air across the segment with aeroplane speed.... and plenty users just use motorcycle/car to speed across the segment. like any other platforms, there will always be people that's quite happliy ruin the show for everyone else. Ultimately, the leaderboard on strava is more like a "guideline" how fast you are compared to other users, it's not a proper race....if that's what you are after, then sign up to a proper TT race somewhere. Having said that...would be nice to see Strava offers more obivous options for e-bike users to identifed their ride as another category.

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  • I was glad that I found this thread. I've been an avid road biker for the last 10 years, and I just purchased an e-bike for long-distance commuting. I want to use Strava for both my road bike, and my e-bike. It's a great way to analyze rides, keep track of mileage, and share rides with friends.

    During my first two e-bike rides, I naturally blew past all of my previous records. Hmm...I was concerned about how to deal with that. I didn't want to muck up the segment leaderboards for me or anyone else.

    Thanks to this thread, and some other online research, I found the solution. Here is a summary for anyone who hasn't read the earlier posts:

    1) Go into Strava, and change the Sport to "E-Bike Ride." This will ensure that your ride is properly categorized as an e-bike ride.

    2) If you have a Garmin, go into your activity profiles, and set the Default Ride Type to eBike. I created a new activity profile called "Commute" and made sure the Default Ride Type is eBike.

    And finally, I have a friendly suggestion for Strava: If you detect a ride that greatly exceeds the power and speed that most riders are capable of, then send the user a notification asking if the ride was completed on an e-bike. This would be great for e-bike newbies like me who don't know about the e-bike setting. It would also be helpful for experienced e-bike riders who already know about the setting, but accidentally categorize a ride as "road." It's easy to forget.

    Happy riding everyone!

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  • The non-E-Biker wants Strava to get out of the leader board. I agree. As an E-Biker, I want Strava to fully support fully E-Bikes. I ride both types.

    Here’s a list of E-Bike errors/improvements in Strava.

    Dashboard - The E-Bike icon (electric symboled) is not used for E-Bikes. It is used at the bottom of the My Activities in the “Your Recent Activities”.

    My Activities - Rides are created as “E-Bike Ride”, but shows as Ride. The rides I converted from Ride to E-Bike Ride show as E-Bike Ride.

    Flybys - I like to compare my rides to those I pass and those that pass me. Flyby only lets me compare to E-Bikes when I’m on E-Bike. Why be divisive here?

    Add a Bike - There needs to be a class of bike for Electric vs Non-Electric. This alone would reduce mistakes in the leader boards. Need to have a default for both E-Bike and non electric bike.

     

    E-Bike Leader boards - honestly, I don’t see any sense in them for E-Bikes. E-Bikes assist comes in two types. tail wind mode (constant regardless of your effort) or torque base (increases as your effort increases). Then there are usual 4+ modes of assist (from light to lots). I see not way to compare them that is meaningful.


    Personal Records - I have rides I want to include and rides I don’t in my personal best. I still want to record that I rode. How? Example: I need to get home fast and power up the top assist level. I don’t want the faster ride to appear as a personal best.


    Summit - I’ve been looking to see if this would help me. I can’t find any info on what this would mean for someone riding and electric.


    About me: Retired, started riding again after off for 30 years, electric mountain bike, 40+ pounds over weight, ridden 2,000 miles on trails in last 11 months, loss 10 pounds, riding much longer and stronger past 2 months, starting to ride a non-electric bike too, my doctor reduced some medications as result of improvements.

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  • I just purchased an E-Bike for commuting, grocery runs and just lazy riding on recovery days and I was a little perplexed when I realized short of making my ride private that I can't exclude the ride from my club leaderboard.  Yes by selecting an E-Bike ride type I can exclude the ride from the segment leaderboards but it looks like the club leaderboard takes any and all rides.  Personally I still enjoy the challenge of trying to be the person who rode the most, the highest or the fastest and see my name inch up the board but I don't want to jump to the top because my E-Bike gave me an extra boost on my lazy days.  I would love it if you could have two leaderboards for your club, one for normal muscle and sweat equity and another for pedelecs.  

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  • I was very keen cyclist,  covering over 200 miles a week and I was lethal on hills that was of course until I got prostate cancer and Have endured five weeks of radiotherapy and been on hormone therapy for two years which destroys your energy levels and muscle tone. I managed to get a RibbLe Endurance SLE Which is the only way I can keep cycling. It has three power levels so I can take the lowest level and still get some exercise benefits. I also ride it with a power meter and heart rate data so if anyone thinks it’s cheating you need to look at some of my rides which is the only way I can keep cycling. It has three power levels so I can take the lowest level and still get some exercise benefits. I also ride it with a power meter and heart rate data so if anyone thinks it’s cheating you need to look at some of my rides. It should not be too difficult for Strawther to look at your ride that you flagged as an E bike ride and look at your data

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  • Alan - even if you are riding it at the lowest power setting, you are still getting a boost from the motor, so yes, it is "cheating" when you try to compare against a traditional bicycle that does not have a motor assist. It's great that it is allowing you to keep cycling, but the bottom line is that anything with a motor assist should be separated from the traditional cycling leaderboards.

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  • Jason et al - the CORE ISSUE that Strava REFUSES TO ADDRESS is that in general segments don't exist for eMTB and you can't copy segments or use segments defined for regular bikes.  If this gets solved, the issues will go away quickly.

    For example, I like to assess my DH/Enduro segment times that I sometimes ride on my Santa Cruz Hightower, and sometimes on my Pivot Shuttle. The motor/battery on my Shuttle is arguably a slight disadvantage on the DH segments because of the weight and handling differences.  In any case, if I could easily share segments between my regular MTB and my eMTB,the world would be a beautiful place...

     

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  • I’m 67 with life limiting cancer, I don’t care about segments or leaderboards. In fact at my level even with assistance I’m minutes behind segments. I need motivation to keep myself fit as possible and to perhaps live just a little bit longer. I am trying to complete the August Climbing and distance challenge. If I flag my rides as ebike I will loose the daily encouragement.
    If there was an ebike section that still gave me the help I need I would use it. I have a RibbLe Endurance SLE, which is an assistance bike, not a full ebike. 

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  • I see that the official comment was edited 3 years ago... and you know a lot has changed in 3 years. I'm a paying customer for one.

    I feel saddened generally by the individuals who ruin it for the rest.. and it goes to show that we obviously can't be trusted with any responsibility.

    I put it to Strava that there should be something more that you can do. There has to be.

    Whether it is a format challenge,maybe you should have to register a bike and choose it for each ride.. or at the least make it mandatory to select whether it is an ebike or bike or row etc.. thats a simple positive step.

    Further to that there should be penalties for people found abusing the tools. This is the same with any online community where people are left accountable for their own actions. Call of Duty with ban you indefinitely if you abuse their terms and conditions of use. This is the same. One idiot ruins it for the rest.

    Strava you have to do something about this.

    I'm competitive and I pay for the leaderboards. They're not much use if they've been defiled with ebikers and their lack of attention to detail or sheer disregard for everyone else.

    Get some proactive steps implemented or I'm leaving.

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  • Just reading above. Honestly, i don't care if you have 1 leg... if you're on an ebike its an ebike ride... and it should be registered as such.

    Ebikes compete with ebikes... Bikes compete with Bikes..

    The day the world cycling championships mix ebikes and normal bikes is the same day you'll see pigs flying above.

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  • I really can’t believe that people only ride their bikes to get top places on segments. I ride my bike for enjoyment and to keep healthy and socialise with my friends. All this who hah about segments really makes me laugh. Also the bottom line is Strava shouldn’t be encouraging people to race which by having segment leaderboards  they are doing. Just get out on your bike and enjoy the company in the fresh air

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  • Thats a good point Alan.

    Still, the principle remains the same.. I register my rides a bicycle rides because I'm on a bike.

    It's the same if I start registering rides as runs. It does nothing for me but ruins it for the people working hard to improve and achieve KOM or top 10 segments etc..

    This competitiveness is what drives me unfortunately. Is what it is.. can't change my nature.

    Still.. I'm sure Strava can take some positive steps to preventing ebike times from soiling bicycle leaderboards.

    As an extra comment.. I can enjoy my bike without strava. But I'm paying for a service that is not living upto expectations.. that's the bottom line.

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  • Alan, Just seeing your previous comment.

    If Strava can't facilitate a monthly challenge for ebikers I'll eat my hat.

    Come on Strava! Strava sort it out!!

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  • James, The idea of a bike leaderboards is a good idea, I think I said that I am recovering from two years of prostate cancer treatment and before this started I was an accomplished hundred Km sportive rider having completed monstrous hilly ride like the Dunkery Dash and Trefil Travail. I bought the new Ribble endurance ebike as I was vain and it looks exactly like a road bike unless you look closely at the back wherevyou can see the hub motor but it’s camouflaged by brake disc on one side and an 11:32  on the other. I have two other normal road bikes which I’m out on most times and revert to the E bike when my body lets me down. The idea of ebike leaderboards is a good idea but of course then you get arguments about yours is more powerful than mine et cetera, But taking all that aside I still think it’s a good idea

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  • Even flagging doesn’t work.  There is a local lady here who I know for a fact sold her road bike and purchased an e-bike, which is now her only bike.  She is shooting way up the segment leaderboards now. I have flagged her rides several times, but she is obviously lying as well as cheating as I got an email from Strava stating “This rider states they no longer ride an e-bike” which is a blatant lie so she knows exactly what she’s doing and refuses to name her ride properly.  

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  • Honestly guys, it obvious if a KOM is from an eBike. For most of us ebikers, who also happen to ride non-eBikes as well, my ride will be initially logged as a bike Ride, because my default bike is The bike that I ride every day, which is a gravel bike. As soon as I edit my ride to change the activity from bike ride to eBike ride, then low and behold I am removed from the leaderboard and any KOM that I might have inadvertently taken is removed. Problem solved. There are always people out there who cheat. Fact. They are same type of people who weight dope on Zwift and use cheat engines on video games. Ultimately it is completely unrewarding and unsatisfying and they will soon will tire of only cheating themselves. Strava is a fantastic tool for monitoring one’s achievements, FTP, VO2 Max and fitness level. What other people do is ancillary and by the by really.

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  • E-bike posted as bike and bike posted as run. Could be a runner's revenge on bikers.

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