Too many segments on your activities?

In segment-dense areas, it is hard for Strava to display all segments on one activity, so we developed a segment popularity rating. Depending on the number of times a segment is viewed, that segment is either visible on the activity or "hidden" due to a low popularity rating. You can hide and unhide Segments to customize which segments will be visible to you throughout Strava. By "Hiding" a segment, you vote to decrease its popularity and hide that segment on all of your activities. When you "Unhide" a segment, you increase its popularity rating and vote to show that segment on all of your activities. Please note that the Run activity pages do not have this feature, and instead use Starred Segments.

To hide a segment on your ride:

  • Go to your activity on the Strava website and hover over the segment in the list that you wish to hide.
  • A "Hide" button will appear in the rightmost area of the segment row. Clicking "Hide" will prevent you from seeing this segment listed under any activity throughout the site
  • To view all hidden segment for an activity, simply scroll down to the bottom of the page and click "Show Hidden Segments". 
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  • Can the Strava support crew give any news on this subject?

  • Ron Ruff : The automatic segment creation system has been disabled now ( Elle's post on April 14 here : https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/21662230 ) which is great news.  Some of us have made suggestions of some simple ways to detect some of the most useless ones that should be deleted just as a starting point to reduce the clutter by a few percent.

  • It's nice that it has been disabled, but except for the least popular riding areas these automatic segments were already created long ago (since they are produced the first time someone does a climb)... and we are still left with the mess.

  • Segments that start / stop in the car park of MTB trails are ridiculous. They still get picked up as you ride past for another lap but aren't accurate.  Frustrates me the creator was so lazy. You need to zoom in on the sat pic to ensure your creating them in the correct place!  

  • It wasn't that the creator was lazy, it was probably just an old segment that was auto-created.  Which if you look at the posts above the auto-created segment feature has been disabled.  Still frustrating that it's a popular segment.  Might be a good time to use the Hide button.

  • I think what Ashley is talking about could only be user created. I've seen a lot of them also. Race segments for instance where the user made a start and finish that worked for them but didn't coincide with the actual start and finish. I always make sure to err on the other side a little in case of GPS errors, so the start is a little after the start line... else you get people with a lot of dead time because they are standing and waiting for the gun, but Strava has already started the segment.

    Currently I guess the best thing we can do is use the Hide to "downvote" bad segments. But unfortunately most people are too lazy to do that too.

  • I agree on both points.

    1) We are still left with a mess of auto-generated segments. Strava don't seem to be in much of a hurry to sort them out, although a lot of the bogus ones could be sorted out by extremely simple database checks as suggested on the other thread https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/21662230 (search for 'cleanup') - if a Strava programmer had 5 minutes spare one day, he or she could start a simple bogus segment deleting process.  Unfortunately that only works for really obvious ones and there would still be a lot of bad auto-segments around.

    2) User created segments with bad start and end points.  It's not only users that are to blame here because the segment creation tool doesn't really encourage accurate segment creation.  The map is too small for a start, and suffers from the usual Strava map issue of being wide but not high, as if segments and rides are normally east-west and we should forget about north-south ones.  Some people probably don't know that you can (and must) use satellite view to zoom in closer.  There is no scale on the map to get an idea of the size.  There are no published guidelines about how to create start and end points 10, 20 metres or so away from road junctions / after race start points and so on.  The system only suggests to use the slider and doesn't mention the back and forward buttons that should always be used to get the ends just right.  Some of these things could be improved a great deal with just a few hours of work, and this would encourage accurate segment creation.

  • I don't think we should be too critical of the Strava people. They've done a pretty awesome job, considering. Remember how crappy ebay was in the beginning? And that is a service with a pretty huge revenue stream. It took them 10 years or more to fix a lot of issues that were obvious in the beginning.

    I don't know what Strava's future business model looks like, but I doubt they are making money now. They are probably focused more on making it easy for everyone to use and the social media aspects rather than the things many of us are concerned about. These sometimes run counter to each other. If you make anything more sophisticated then it will be harder, and it will take some time to learn. A lot of casual users will be alienated. If stupid segments were removed, there'd be a rash of "what happened to my segment?!" complaints.

     

    Of course, *I'd* be fine with casual users being alienated, but I don't think Strava would. The funny thing is, I know intelligent professionals who ride a lot and put all their rides on Strava... and they can't even be bothered to make good segments. Maybe the intricacies of doing it right are simply difficult for most people to grasp. Maybe we are a small fringe who really care about this.

  • There without doubt too many public segments. It is making Strava less enjoyable and useful than it might be. I have a couple of suggestions although I accept they may not be workable:-

    1 - for very popular segments could local bike clubs not pass judgement on what were public. In the uk clubs affiliated to British Cycling could do this (if they wanted to). Box Hill in the south of England has at least 60 public segments, that is ridiculous!

    2 - when making a new segment could there be an option for it to be shared between mutual Strava friends or members of mutual Strava cycling clubs?

    Just 2 suggestions and probably not workable. But just a thought.

  • In my opinion, the easiest solution is for Strava to allow users to "Opt Out" of specified segments.  They have allowed the feature to favorite (or STAR) a segment, it shouldn't be too hard to add the ability for users to say "No thanks, I don't like this segment.  Don't show my name on any of the leaderboards"  Hide/Unhide does not have the same effect.  A completely "Opt Out" feature is necessary if Strava refuses to place any restrictions on segment creation.

    Another feature worth investing time in, is a comment section on each segment.  Allow people to share their thoughts openly with the segment creator. 

  • The best way to avoid this might be for in the segment creation tool, for it to either show an existing segment on that route, or if it is a segment copying an establi8shed one, a pop up box could say "this segment already exists", or "this segment follows x percent of a current segment, do you want to contine"

  • Another suggestion, which may be easier to implement and does not offend users: why not assign segments with categories other than jus "private" or "public" and make the shown segment categories selectable? Such categories may be termed "certified segments", "extended segment selection" and (as is now) "unfiltered". To assign a segment as a "certified" one, naming, segment borders and completeness of the segment may be verified either by local "power users" or by the staff. The extended selection may additionally contain all other segments with the exception of ill-defined ones, such as automatically generated segments, segments with vastly super-human VAM, segments that deviate from roads and tracks or other filters.

    In the "explore segments" view, such categories exist for various altitude differences (no Cat., Cat. 4-Cat HC). Apart from the certification, other categories (MTB versus road bike, selectable length or duration of segments) may become valuable as well. Implementing these categories would be a routine database task.

  • Sometimes there may be a genuine reason for a segment within a segment. For example a hill clime may have, say there distinct phases. A segment that covers the whole climb is great but what if the segment creator also wants to see how hey did on the middle phase of the climb?

  • That's fine - make the segment private, noone else cares how you go if it's for your own interest, you can make as may as you want. I don't see any point comparing your segment time against a public leaderboard if nobody else is "competing" on it.

    It is getting rediculous, we have numerous 5km climbs here where there must be a minimum of 70 segments on each, Tree to Tree, corner to corner, every 500m, every small rise, windmill to tree, first 2km, last km etc etc. Somebody goes for a 2 hour ride and comes home with over 100 PR's...

  • As an example, hopefully you lot can see this ride due to privacy settings, but, a 44km ride and 150 segments! Have a look at all the segments with "Norton" in the, crazy!

    https://www.strava.com/activities/278318139

  • So which one do you delete, yours or mine? What criteria do you use?

  • Give me the "Opt Out" option that Eric E (Jan26, 2015) suggests please.

  • I've skimmed this thread. Sounds like a lot of folks are arguing about use cases that cannot be agreed on because we all use Strava a little differently and like and look for different things. Stop thinking only about how you personally use it and accept that others use it differently.

    Segments within segments is a huge PRO for me personally. If I'm going out for a 20mi ride I can choose what pieces of the route I want to attack, for example, a specific 3mi segment vs the whole 20mi route. That's huge and makes running the same route more interesting because you can attack it differently every time if you like.

    The "Hide" feature is already built in so with a single click you can hide a segment and never see it again. 

    I like both long segments and short ones. Folks saying 0.5mi is too short a segment? Come on. Not on a MTB. Not on a significant grade.

    There are only two things about segments that I would change:

    1) Segments that are truly identical, starting and ending within a handful of meters of one another. That's just a another user being very lazy. Is there a technical solution? Possibly, but I'd rather the Strava team work on more important things, especially when I can just hide the segments I don't like.

    2) Segments with ridiculous names. Nicknames, sure, but things like "Highway 94 Climb" or "Climb out", etc., etc. are so ambiguous. Again, just users being lazy or uninformed on a good way to title a segment. Is there a technical solution? Not realistically, no. Are we going to have Strava become segment-name-police? No. So considering all the other things we want to see added to the Strava, again, I'd rather see the Strava team work on more important things.

  • I think refining the segment explore filter by adding a filter by distance would allow the longer segments to pop on the map and would solve a lot of issues

  • Segment comments is the cheapest and most effective solution. Hiding segments is not the solution.

  • its is nice post everyone like it and get many information.

  • We have a pretty steep hill where I grew up which means a lot sentimentally. As with most hills, it has a few segments, with different start points. I tried really hard once, but because of where I rode from I missed out one of the segments, managed to KOM one and achieve second on another. That KOM didn't mean any less to me because it was one of three possible in fact if that segment hadn't been there then I think I would have been disappointed that my effort only garnered a second. For the record I didn't make any of the splits!

  • And how about the guys creating segments just to advertise their shop ? There's a 700 mt flat segment, meaning nothing for a biker,  named "strappo mydoping" from the name of the shop there. Now the shop has been renamed "integra.store" and a new segment has been created with the same (new) name...... For me, all segments shorther than 1 km should be hidden

  • Maybe adding the segment creator's name and date created to the full leaderboard page might deter some of the segment duplication. At least it would give a way to contact the creator for possible edits.

  • Any news on that issue? Come on, Strava, just give us a filter by distance/time riden, and people will be able to find the segments that are the most relevant to them!!!!

  • Strava guys please make something improvment for segments, because like we see there is too much segments on the same segment!

  • Why has this not been fixed, it's so damn annoying.

  • Guys... be honest with yourselves.. strava sucks now due to this problem.
    They should have fixed this years ago!!!
    There is no longer any prestige in a strava KOM, because theres 50 other koms on slightly different variations of the same trail hahah, so stupid.
    My advice, move to another app theres quite a few now ;)

  • You should really only let clubs post public segments automatically because then they are bound to be used regularly and it helps grow the clubs and build thier awareness! Segments any individual person wants to add should have to submit it with some type of approval from 5 or 10 others confirming that they approve it and use the segment regularly. Yes its more complicated for individuals to do it this way but that in itself helps deter it's overuse.
    This can be done with a sent email where they click on a button to approved a friends now or a forum of segments awaiting confirmations. Or just have a completed activity route on more than one occasion that is similar to the request.

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