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Cycling Challenges don't include indoor data

Hey, Strava. I was going to sign up for your Gran Fondo challenge for January. Was really looking forward to it. Operative word here is "WAS". So...it turns out that trainer miles don't count towards that challenge. Seriously?!?! So I guess those of us who live in a cold weather winter climate - like Minnesota - are just sh*t out of luck when it comes to cycling challenges I guess. Thanks, Strava. Frankly, that's pretty crappy and pretty short sighted on your part. Why don't you do the same thing for running challenges....treadmill miles need not apply. Sometimes, Strava, you can do some cool stuff...sometimes you can really suck.

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  • Strava, 

    Please provide the option to filter and or combine outside vs. virtual. That way those that consider themselves “real cyclist” can live in their own world.  Thanks.

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  • It's not about being a "real cyclist" it's about being fair and making sure it's apples to apples.  Virtual to virtual.  Riding to riding.  Easy.  It's a win-win.

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  • Agree with Emmet F. I do a lot of cycling, both outdoors and indoors, and there should be separate challenges. It sucks not to have badges for my indoor efforts (which are pretty much "real"), but wouldn't like to have them mixed in the same bag with my achievements outdoors, where I face bad weather, psycho-drivers, scorching temperatures, lonely rides where I can only talk to horses and cows for hours, bad asphalt, scary Alpine descents, mechanical failures, etc, etc, etc. Why you have not implemented virtual cycling badges yet, is hard to understand.

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  • I agree with Emmett and Jon. I think what Matt may be referring to is that some cyclists tend to take this "holier than thou" attitude when it comes to what counts as a real cyclist versus some poser riding on a trainer.

    I do both: power based training on a trainer and actual rides out in the real world. I can say that some of my ftp based training rides are just as hard - if not harder - than some rides outside.

    I, too, can't believe Strava has YET to create two categories of challenges for riding and biking. Kind of a freaking no brainer if you ask me. 

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  • Whereas I certainly don't use Emmett to qualify my efforts, I would gladly go on a ride with either Emmet or Martin up here in NH, I would be honored to strava the ride and see how they stack up, it's a good thing they blow a lot of hot air around, we had a few -15 degree rides that we were riding up here, so put you ass where your mouth is and come on up, I recommend a studded fatbike. But your call

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  • I have no desire to ride when it's -15 thanks and if I used a trainer, I would classify it as a trainer activity and not complain about it not counting towards challenges.

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  • Starting today, there is a Strava Challenge that includes Virtual Rides (Zwift): https://www.strava.com/challenges/le-col-season-starter

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  • ^^^Thank God...

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  • Hilarious.  I thought @AnthonyR was being serious for a minute.  Well trolled.  
    The clue is in the name "Mileage".  Ride your bikes, get outside, silly people. 
    https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/208859697-Settings-to-hide-Zwift-trainer-rides-in-feed 

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  • Well, Dave, question for you:

    When is the last time you rode your bike outside when the temperature was 3 degrees with a wind chill of 15 below and there was 6 inches of snow on the ground?

    And before you pull out the whole "fat bike" response, keep in mind not every person in the world is gonna plunk down a few hundred dollars for one, relish riding in -15 degree weather.

    I guess us "silly people" who don't feel like freezing our a$$es off in the winter just don't get it, do we? I mean how dare we consider ourselves athletes, right? I mean...when I'm doing my FTP based workouts in the studio for over an hour, how can THAT be considered riding/exercise? Totally not worthy of any kind of kudos I'm sure.

    Why do "cyclists" constantly have to make some snide, condescending remark when it comes outside vs trainers/Zwift rides? 

    If you don't like riding on a trainer or don't think it's "worthy" of Strava, then don't ride a trainer.

    No need for you to look down your nose at people who do.

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  • I think that it should not matter how you ride on personal leader boards, However I do feel that it should be either not included or perhaps better given an indoor / outdoor filter on club leader boards etc.  For instance my son has gone out and done his 7500 metres climb in January in foul weather in the UK yet he does not appear on the top of his club leader board because a friend has stayed indoors and "zwifted" more climb. There is no comparison of the effort required to get outside and ride in poor conditions wind , rain, ice etc. Compared to being in a climate controlled conservatory watching your computer.

    No problem including it but give us the opportunity to filter it!!

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  • @AnthonyR - my apologies - I genuinely thought this thread had been set up for fun.

    I freeze my a$$ off regularly - in all conditions, but I don't take up any Strava challenges so I'm a bad example.  I certainly don't expect everyone else to race in nasty weather (each to their own).  

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  • Dave:

     

    No worries...but what had started out as a simple request/suggestion devolved into a cyber pissing match pitting people who ride trainers AND ride out doors and those who consider anything less than outdoor miles a capital offense.

    I do both - and was never sure why it was such a big deal for the "purists".

    Pretty simple: if you don't want to ride an indoor challenge, then don't. Like I said, pretty freaking simple. But some people get their undies all in bunch because trainer miles shouldn't count for !@#$%.

    If you're moving, you're moving, period. That's kinda the point of exercise if I'm not mistaken. But like I said, some people just can't fathom miles on a trainer.

    Whatever...

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  • Well said Dave "if you're moving, you're moving " exactly what you're not doing on a trainer, moving anywhere.

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    Dear Strava:

    Would you please just hurry up and create virtual versus "real" challenges??

    This back and forth pissing match between the two "factions" is just getting really old.

    They don't necessarily have to be Zwift "miles".

    Don't know why this is so freaking hard!

    If someone rode outside, there is obviously GPS data contained in that activity. Boom! Counts as a "real" ride.

    If it was a trainer ride, no GPS data, hence trainer/Zwift ride.

    Tell your developers it's a pretty freaking simple IF...THEN...ELSE statement

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  • I think virtual miles should be kept completely separate.  I'm starting to get frustrated that i'm out in all weathers and some people are constantly at the top of club leader boards without leaving the house.  It's a totally different work out.  I have no problem with there being challenges for indoor training but a flat turbo mile is completely different to being out in the real world exposed the the elements.

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  • Two sets of challenges please Strava. One for outdoor only, one which considers indoor & outdoor. 

     

    Cycling is about getting outside and into the elements, not zwifting in front of a TV with a picture of outside on it. That said, if that's your only training due to three foot of snow - fair play, you're probably [make that "almost certainly"] a stronger cyclist than me - just don't log it as cycling.

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  • Please Elle Anderson, please, please put a option to include indoor activities in strava challenges. But with indoor data and outdoor data, and we can filter that in results. I'm going to be a Dad and training virtuality it's the only way I have to train. Me and many indoor cyclists that for many reasons just have the opportunity to do indoor, please do something for us. Strava is my best app and I still want be this way.

    Is virtually but WE are really people :)

     

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  • Got to say I am really loving some of the debate on here, how trainer riding is not riding.. Guess we all have our own opinions on that one.

    Anyway, I guess there was no change to the set up then, and there is still currently no official recognition of trainer rides (regardless of effort)

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  • I bet when we had penny farthings there were that certain type complaining when some started riding faster than them with two equal sized wheels and saying it doesn't really count because it is easier. For most it isnt about winning a KOM it's simply about having a target and a nice badge to say you hit it. Its a personal thing. Just let people earn the dam badges but not be in for the win as it were. Seems a bit silly to deny that basic incentive to people are actually trying to get fit most the time

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  • Indoor rides SHOULD NOT count towards towards challenges. If you live in a cold weather climate (as I do) it will just show you are more committed than the other guy if you do complete. Doing it on a trainer in the comfort of your climate controlled basement while watching TV or riding around a fake underwater city is ridiculous. 

    I agree that those desperate Zwift riders needing badges to survive should have their own "virtual" badge category.

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  • Just got here after I googled the topic. First I was of the opinion that they should count as the same... but reading though the thread I am now convinced they should be separate... but at least exist.

    So Strava... please give us some “virtual ride” challenges. 👍🏼

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  • Strava please let all of my hard indoor trainer work count towards your challenges!

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  • This winter 2017 - I think 2019 still not working!

    Why strava makes this kind of nonsense rules when indoor rides are counted to groups like normal ride, but not challences?!?

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  • Hi Strava again,

    Like Harri Toivonen said, we are one 2019 and nothing happens since 2017 discussion started. This is close the eyes to what it's happening. Two different categories, indoor and outdoor challenges, it's so easy. Adapt to the world. If you see even the big company GARMIN that are one of the big outdoor GPS buy the TACXX, this means something.

     

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