Strava has decided to stop anyone from making short segments...

This is because the accuracy is not as good with short segments, I can understand this and have experienced short segments that don't record correctly. But my cycling is mostly hilly rides and I make a lot of segments that are steep and take me from 1 to 2 minutes. Now I can't make them any more, even though they aren't short in reality due to the elevation. I tried to make one earlier, it was 13.1% offroad and it definitely wasn't short, took me: 1min 41seconds.. but there was a message saying 'segment too short'. I've written to Strava about it, and they say that not enough people have also written in to say that they would prefer to be able to make short segments again.

I asked if they could use a calculation to include the elevation so that it would be fair for everyone. Or an option for shorter segments, only if you choose for it to be 'private'. But unless more people want to have the option to be able to make short segments again (like we always have been able to do), they said that they won't be changing it back.

With uphill segments that take from 1min to 1min 50sec, when it's steep/uphill the accuracy always seems very good. I can still work out my times by using the analysis page, then measure it myself like I have in this pic, then I'd need to make a note of it to add to my ride, make a file and record all the times myself, bit of a pain.

Here is the segment I tried to make..

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  • My favourite segments are either very long (laps / routes) or very short sprint segments. With this new restriction it is no longer possible to have sprint segments. Even Zwiftrider cannot make the sprint segment for the latest Zwift course (Innsbruck). I think that is very disappointing, its the only way to see world wide sprint times on those segments in Zwift.

    I am not getting a lot of value out of my premium membership and these kind of things (just like removing the ability to see who you rode with on Zwift) are the type of things that make many people quit premium subscriptions.

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  • Lets chek out edemondo they might have short laps timing.

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  • yes please bring back short segments that really are not that short. 2 minutes is not short when in the same area there are 18 second segments.

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  • Not having short segments feels discriminatory against cx/gravel/mtb especially, since offroad riding, especially on climbs, can take a while even when the distance is short! 

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  • I have a similar case to quite a few who have commented above: I manage an enduro & DH team in Mexico and having segments on techy descents with loads of corners is a brilliant tool for us, so recently I have been disappointed with Strava when I've not been able to create segments that I really wouldn't consider too short, (due to the gradient and twisty and technical nature of the tracks).

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  • Yes, we really need short segments back because in Finland we don´t have so big mountains. I have many segments that I can´t do. That's why knowone else can't ride my tracks and don't find what I have build.

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  • Yes, this is really not nice. Strava should at least make available the official course sprint segments.

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  • Please update this so that we can have some accurate segments in ZWIFT and real life.  Sprints or sections of climbs that are short but contain a steep gradient.

     

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  • I've created a ticket, it doesn't make sense. Strava without being able to create segments (short and long, whatever) is a glorified CatEye cycling computer at best.

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  • At least for Zwift, it would be nice to be able to have the official sprint segments in the newer courses that have been created since this policy change. 

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  • I understand not wanting to clutter up the segment section with a bunch of low-quality, super-short segments where GPS errors always take the top, but I think that can be solved in two other ways:

     

    1. Filter for GPS errors! Doesn't seem that difficult to do- there are all kinds of stream processing algorithms that detect anomalies, in addition to some basic ones you can write by hand. If someone's GPS data through a segment appears to be more than X% error data compared to others through that same section, exclude it from the leaderboard (or put it on a soft leaderboard or something).

    2. Let people create private segments/only publicize segments over a certain length, even if the segment isn't created with the "private" label. I don't really care if other people compete on the same hills I do- I just want to see how my time sprinting up some of the hills on my daily commute compares. 

     

    Either way, I want short segments back! The amount of pain I create on them sure doesn't make them feel short to me :)

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  • At times when designing / building / maintaining trails, especially MTB, it helps to be able to create shorter segments... not so much for accurate timing but as good trail use data, wayfinding, etc. Please consider allowing this option as it can be quite functional outside the social media for athletes arena.

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  • Bump, please undo, at least for virtual ride segments...

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  • This is just ridicolous for MTB segments.

    The entire community want it removed, and two years later, nothing..

    I agree that very short segments doesn't make sense, but 300M is just too much.

    A steep 100M climb, can take 1 minute, is that really too short ?

    Make it 100M and problem solved. If you don't like a segment you can always hide it.

    And for virtual rides remove it completely.

    Listen to the community for once!

     

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