Run split graph shows slower lap with shorter bar

I have the latest version 21.0.0 of the mobile app and splits graph shows slower lap with shorter bar: it used be the other way around, faster lap with shorter bar and that is how it is displayed in screenshots in app store. 

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  • please change this back! the second column in the split graph says "Pace", and it makes me crazy that large number corresponding to shorter bar. also, the bar is not to scale. I wonder how slow I need to run to make the bar disappear? 

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  • I’ve had a quick scan through the blog that Strava put in the official response in this thread.... I think the issue here is simple...

    Strava state “Higher pace values do actually represent slower running speeds”. Whilst this is true, I suspect the problem we all have as runners is that we tend not to care about speed....it’s all about pace, the faster you go the SHORTER that mile/km split is run, hence we prefer a shorter bar to indicate that you complete the split quicker. We don’t give a monkeys about the speed so a longer bar makes no sense when we are trying to get times DOWN.

    on the topic of making the graphs consistent.... there’s a graph on the blog showing heart rate and pace increasing wher the pace chart does indeed go up. That oddly makes sense (yes I’m contradicting myself now!!) but that’s because you are comparing multiple elements that relate, I bet if you flipped that pace chart to go down it would be easier to swallow than everyone having to eat used to the split bars going up.

    When comparing multiple data sets then speed mapping to pace might make sense, but when you look at pace on its own on the splits part of an activity it’s totally out of sync because the faster the pace the quicker you complete that split and the bar actually indicates the time you took to do the split, not the pace you are running at....

    All this will fall on deaf ears though I suspect, I’m off to Garmin connect to analyse my data

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  • I agree: new system bad! I really miss the quick visual overview of my negative splits, when I manage them! 

    Time to give the Garmin app another whirl...

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  • I wish I knew about this before updating my app because I wouldn't have updated it. Splits are supposed to show how much time I spent, not my average speed. And even if that works for some users, why not give us an option to pick which way we'd like to view?

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  • The new way is awful. Please bring back the old graphs. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

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  • Running is like golf. We are all aiming to get the smallest number possible, just in this instance it’s time rather than strokes. Therefore when we scan the chart our eyes are being drawn to the smaller bars instinctively.

    The other thing that is confusing is that the numbers are on the sides of the bars. One would normally expect that the size of the bar be proportionate to the number next to it. Having an inverse relationship forces us to make mental calculations that are hard at the best of times, let alone when coming down from runners high!

    My suggestions: Strava if you don’t want to change at least give us the option of choosing. It’s just a line or two of code. Give everyone what they want the way they want and there won’t be such a backlash. I haven’t seen one comment here in support of the change. For everyone else, read the chart right to left and pretend the bars are white rather than blue (ie look at the negative space as that is the way we want it).

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  • The new format makes the bars essentially obsolete.  I now need to look through the actually split times in order to see how my run was progressing.  Please bring back the old format.

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  • Hate the new view - close to just binning strava off - given this was my main analysis tool - now just unreadable

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  • This makes no sense on the mobile app.

    If there are 2 schools of thought as to how to display why not give users a choice as to which way round they want to see it?

    This update seriously devalues the app in its current form. Please take the user feedback and resolve.

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  • Steve, the problem is people view those bars as an indication of how quickly they ran a split, not how fast they ran them, it’s a quick and easy way to view the time taken for each split despite the fact the split is shown as speed. Therefore a longer split (longer time slower speed) should show a longer bar....

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  • Strava, take a look at your mobile app version 22 screenshot in app store: faster pace is represented with shorter bar.  Isn't this false and misleading advertising then?

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  • My biggest problem with this change is that if you have both fast and slow paces in one run, the slow paces all come out with the same size bar, at least on mobile. This is not an uncommon occurrence for trail or mountain runners. 

    Take Cat Bradley's recent R2R2R FKT: https://www.strava.com/activities/1277039076/overview

    Her last 5.7 mile paces range from 16:40 to 21:00, but they all were displayed with the same width bar. That's definitely a problem, and I see it happen in almost every single run I do in the trails because of the varying paces.

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  • Please change it back. The splits chart is useless now.

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  • Nothing to add really. However, I hope that more comments make Strava change their mind faster. It is simple: pace is not speed. If you run faster, speed goes up and pace goes down. It makes no sense to show longer bars for shorter splits. All line and bar charts I know have (0,0) as the origin’s coordinates.

    @Strava: what would the coordinates of your origin be?

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  • Please change this back to the original shorter bar = less time view, please.

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  • I'm in agreement with the other Strava users that have posted here. Faster pace should be represented by shorter graph line and not a longer one. Please reinstate the pre-October 2017 version.

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  • Come on Strava, its obvious that the users preferred it the other way round... faster laps = shorter bar, SIMPLES! Please change it back!

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  • Another vote to change it back from me. Or at least give the user the option in settings to choose

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  • It's quite apparent that Strava isn't too concerned with our opinions.  This thread has more comments and upvotes than many others, yet there has been no communication beyond their initial response.

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  • It goes against all graphical representation standards. Just change it to the way it was before. Please.

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  • The new display defies common sense (it is supposed to graph time, not speed), as well as convention. To sum it up, it is as someone with no concept of running splits would design. I suspect part of the issue is Strava’s bike centric roots and the tendency to think in terms of speed, not time. There was a time swimming was reported in miles per hour. Really, who thought of that? That took a long time to fix.

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  • Another example of Strava being tone-deaf and making changes that aren't wanted or needed. Just upgraded the app to find several great new features and one nonsensical one. Did you have the interns working on this feature? The pace bar chart should be a visual representation of the actual pace. Faster pace = lower time per mile = shorter bar. Shouldn't be that tough to get this right.

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  • Adding my voice to the choir Strava. It’s really counter-intuitive. Time taken is not pace. A horizontal bar chart isn’t a graph. A shorter total time should be represented by a shorter bar.

    Even if your argument in the link provided is mathematically valid, it sounds like a data-geeks answer. Why would you make your users think? It’s madness and maddening!

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  • Can everyone in this thread upvote the original post please? Struggling a bit here but this remains pretty terrible. Like, it actually vexes me every time I open the app.

    It is somehow more annoying than Strava taking 3 years to add lap support for the apps. If you are really committed to this (bad, it's just bad. nobody prefers this) view, can you at least make it optional in the settings menu?

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  • So confusing and useless the new graph... going back to Garmin app until it is fixed

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  • I agree with all the comments above. It has taken me a while to find this post previously i thought Strava was broken :) 

     

    However i feel it makes no sense to me to show the Speed next to the Pace values.... which is how i interpret this change. Shorter bar(s) for longer time per KM 

    @Strava team please make this a setting in the app to give users flexibility to show relevant data. 

     

    I think I may go to the NEW Garmin Connect interface for analysis going forward if this is not remedied.

     

    Regards,

    Michael  

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  • I've tweeted them asking them to #ReverseTheSplits its rubbish that they don't even respond 

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  • Chiming in to say I agree. This “issue” has been bugging me for a couple weeks and I thought something was wrong with my app. Cannot believe they did this on purpose. The reverse view takes some satisfaction out of reviewing my run data for sure, which is the main reason I track using this app.

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  • Change it back!!!!! Nothing worse than looking for your negative split and you see a MOUNTAIN! Whoever ok’d this change is NOT a runner.

    At least give us a way to show it as we like! Add the option in settings. Reconsidering premium subscriptions.

    In case you are using NLP (terrible, bad, poor, lame, quit, stop, revert, map my run)

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  • One more thing. Pace is NOT speed. Big speed is good. Big pace not good!

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