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Apple Watch Series 2

Hi, 

Have to ask the question, as Apple hinted that the GPS in the new watch will allow access to developers. Will Strava look at a native Apple Watch app which uses the GPS on the watch?

 

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  • Whilst waiting for Strava to get their act together I used the new Runkeeper Apple watch 2 app on it's own today (no phone but with watch's gps).

    It was fairly successful. You have to make sure you cross through the "run with phone" bit, and then it works with the watch's gps.

    It tracked nearly everything ok, but I did notice there was a loss of signal for 30m or so.
    I used rungap to export to Strava perfectly well.

    One thing I did notice with Runkeeper new app is that there is no GPX available for export which is what I normally use to export to Strava.

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  • Anybody have first thoughts on the new Runkeeper AW2 app? Tried it today. Was very impressed all the way until it got to Strava (via Tapiriik). The distance was pretty much right on, but it somehow lost about 14 minutes of time. (Runkeeper recorded for 1hr 9mins, but Strava only shows 55 mins.) result is that my average pace was about 2+ minutes per mile faster than reality in Strava.

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  • I finally managed to get Runkeeper working after some issues of not recording any distance. Went for a short run 3.3 miles ! Uploaded to strava using RunGap and surprise surprise Strava increased the distance run by a few hundred metres resulting in my pace being much quicker ! Also the first mile pace was about 20 seconds quicker ! Why does Steve insist on changing the distance and pace?

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  • Not sure that this issue is to do with the AW2, I've had strange issues exporting from Endomondo to Strava in the past and it's been down to (auto)pausing the run.

    Could this be what's happening here?

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  • Tried the new RunKeeper app with the Series 2 and it worked OK.  However it is nowhere near as polished as the Nike Run Club app.  Here are some of the drawbacks to RK vs. NRC ...

    • Voice Feedback does not work with RK
    • No auto pause with RK
    • Pausing is difficult with RK as opposed to NRC
    • GPS track wanders badly with RK, NRC appears to smooth the GPS track
    • Heart Rate is inconsistent with RK, seems to work well with NRC

    Now NRC has it is own problems, most notably occasional sync issues.  I have had 1 of about 20 runs not sync properly.

    I will stick with NRC as long as I can use RunGap to get the data to Strava.

     

     

     

     

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  • Have tried the RunKeeper watch app too and it made a mess of my first kilometre too, recording it as faster than I can run. It was wrong in the RunKeeper app so there was no point transferring it to Strava

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  • I've been using the runkeeper app since the AW2 update a couple of days ago. Much better than Nikes, I think. But wait to start a run, unless the GPS signal reads full signal strength...

    If I look at the data (I import data from runkeeper into my Rubitrack OSX app), I see the data like pace, and heart rate, is fluctuating way much more than with data from my Garmin Forerunner 225. One second the pace reads 2 mins/km and the next 6 mins/km, not good. This is the situation throughout my 4,3 km run. I recon the problem is the raw data reads from the device, which is bad? Not good if post-processing is needed to get more valid data.

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  • What a great opportunity for Strava to go phoneless for triathalon sports! Just bought a series 2 and was disappointed to find you guys are not leveraging the new watch GPS tech. Forget Nike, what a great way for Strava to partner with apple!

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  • I just downloaded Runkeeper for AW2 and am going to try it for a run tomorrow. I have a standard Gold sport 2 and not the Nike AW2, and as I found out today, that means that Nike DELETES the GPS logs at the end of a run. Screw them, I immediately deleted their app. I lost two runs this weekend because of that. We will see if Runkeeper and RunGap work to get my stuff on strava, otherwise back to my tom-tom.

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  • I've tried the new RunKeeper app and found it to be buggy. From the map it gives it looks to have started mapping from when I opened the app rather than when I pressed go. The split time for the first km was way too fast. Running apps that aren't 100% reliable are worthless in my book; if I put my all into a run and then don't know if the outcome is real or not then that's rubbish. I'm reverting to using the Strava app and taking my phone with me until the Strava GPS watch app is ready because I've got issues with all of the other options right now

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  • Of course we are all waiting on pins and needles and assuming the Strava app will be great. I'm not holding my breath that it'll be much better than the current offerings. I hope I'm wrong!

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  • Starting to think that all these issues are down to hardware limitations of the GPS unit in the watch itself. Hope I'm wrong, but the AW2 doesn't look like a watch for even semi-serious runners.

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  • @ Christopher B.

    I don't think you need to be that negative yet. For those of us who have tried running with two watches (i.e. Apple watch using built in app + other watch, e.g. Garmin or Fitbit), the times are extremely close, so whatever Apple has implemented on its side with their app which uses Healthkit, it does look like it is possible to iron issues out as the Apple app gets distance and times pretty much right. In fact I would argue that the GPS track I get from my apple watch is probably better than what I get from my Surge. It's also worth remembering that you should always have a good signal to start with. In my case if I run with my surge, I always check that I have a satellite lock before running otherwise the results are very strange.

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  • +1 here. I have the Apple Watch S2, it is great. So far, I am stuck with Nike Run Club for my fitness needs, which is actually pretty good.

    I do wish I could use the Strava App for Apple Watch, but I don't want to lug my phone around in the Spring/Summer when I don't have pockets.

    Being that it is Fall/Winter now, I am wearing a jacket and can easily bring my phone with me. Looking forward to using Strava again.

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  • So one thing I have found is that you can use NRC app, then use SmashRun to get it out of NRC, then use Tapiirik to go from SmashRun to Strava.  It is kind of a pain in the arse and sometimes things dont sync with how NRC captures GPS data and pauses and tapiirik wont import it, but it's the best that we have so far.

    Strava is generally on top of things, I wonder why they are letting this go unaddressed for so long. People are actively talking about moving to competitor services on their forums b/c they are not even addressing the issue at all.  Seems like they are resting on their laurels a bit too much and missing a larger trend with a big player (apple watch) moving into the space.

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  • So many people are saying what's taking Strava so long, they don't care etc These people clearly have no idea about app development because for something like a GPS app it doesn't happen overnight. I've tried each of the apps that have been quick to the App Store such as Pear Sports and RunKeeper and they're full of bugs. The NRC app is ok but we all know that it only takes a minor tweak from Nike and all of the 3rd party hacks to get data out of it will break.

    I tend to give running apps one chance only, if they let me down they get deleted. So companies like RunKeeper that have rushed something on to the App Store aren't necessarily gaining an advantage, they may be turning customers away instead with low quality products.

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  • I'll have to check those out.

    Currently, when I don't want to bring my iPhone on a run, I put on a HR strap and stick a Garmin Edge 800 in the small pocket of my running shorts. Then I can sync data from Garmin Express to Garmin Connect & Strava. At the same time, I use Nike Run Club on my Apple Watch S2 since it is a decent running app that supports GPS.

    Apple Watch S2 sales are going to catch many off guard. It's not too late though. Hopefully Strava and Garmin catch up fast - a Garmin Connect App for Apple Watch solves all problems with multi-sync to Strava.

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  • Matthew S. you are missing the point. It is not about having an app released, it is about communication.  I develop apps for a living, so yes I know a thing or two about it. Getting it right is certainly important, but communicating with a very engaged user base in many cases is just as important.  Letting users know you are working on it and that you hear them is important. 

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  • I compleately agree with Matthew. I don't try apps twice or three times. They get one chance.
    Strava has announced his app for early 2017, that can mean January, February or even March.
    Let them take the time they need to develop a great app.
    Why do we all love Strava? Because of its big variety of features. I would be very disappointed if they release an app just with distance, time, pace, hr and maybe calories.
    I really hope they implement segments, audiofeedback, intevall-trainings and a lot more.
    I don't care if I have to wait 2-3 month longer for the app if I get THE AW-running-app.

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  • @Christopher B. @Aimery D. I find AW2's GPS accuracy to be very good. The HR is also very accurate. Speed and distance seem to vary, but speed and distance vary from once device to the other all the time.

    I have been testing the AW2 (Nike Run Club, Apple's Run App, and Strava App) with and without my iPhone against a Garmin Edge 800 with HR strap. It's almost been 60 days and I am beginning to crunch the numbers. I will do a post on my blog and share on Twitter when it is ready. I am very happy with AW2, I did not buy the first Appel Watch because I needed a fitness device with GPS. 

    @Frank Febbraro @Salvi Becca hey there, I am an App Design. Modern software design and development is done in an Agile manner, meaning working software is designed/developed/tested and delivered to the users constantly.

    The big advantage of Agile is that end users (us) get software fast, and we get constant improvements. Strava may not be an Agile company, I have not idea. What I do know is that they can certainly release an App that supports GPS, along with some basic features, and then constantly add new features - like segments, laps, etc - as the year progresses.

    Strava is winning on the health platform front because of how they handle the data, letting us share it and compete with outers, as well as ourselves via PRs. If we can't easily get the data to Strava, then their advantage is hampered. Adding GPS support to the Strava Apple Watch App brings their advantage right back. From there, they can add in laps, segments, real-time challenges, interval training, etc.

    I would love all of those features, but if they can deliver GPS now, and add those features later, I would rather have GPS and keep waiting for the other features, instead of keep waiting for any new features.

    @Frank Febbraro is 100% correct - communication is the most important thing, hands down.

    I don't want to speculate what the problems could be, but there are many problems is software and hardware dev. Some companies excel in that area, taking advantage of Apple's early-access dev kits, some don't. It is very hard for sure.

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  • I agree with Jono with regards to v1 of a Strava GPS watch app. What I want from v1 is something with a start and stop button and reliably records what went on in between and if it takes a few months to get that then that's fine. All the stuff like audio prompts can come later.

    I also echo the sentiments that the Apple Watch hardware isn't the problem. When I've used the NRC watch app it's recorded trails that have matched my Garmin 920XT within a very small margin which proves the AW is perfectly capable. The problem there is that Nike think they own MY data and restrict what I can do with it. Very short-sighted because now I don't use their app which could have lead to the purchase of other Nike products.

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  • I have the Series 2 watch.  I have used both the Nike (NRC) app and the standard Apple Workout app to record outdoor runs with the watch only, without my phone.  I think the standard Apple app works a bit better than the Nike app.  With the Nike app I was having problems with the timer starting and stopping spontaneously, sometimes when contacting the sleeve of my jacket.  The controls and interface with the Apple app are preferable to me.

    The auto pause didn't work particularly well with either, definitely not as well as it did with my phone with the Strava app.  It will generally recognize when I stop but it is too quick to restart after very little movement or walking.

    So I am hoping Strava comes up with a better auto-pause.  Also, it would be very helpful if one of the physical buttons could be used to start and stop the timing.  With the standard app you have to swipe one direction to get the right screen and then hit pause or stop.  This causes delay and is difficult when sweating.

    I am also wondering whether Strava will have an indoor running feature.  Apple's app estimates distance indoors, apparently based on your average stride recorded by GPS outdoors.  It's not perfect but it does provide a decent estimate of indoor distance.

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  • @Scott McAndrew you are spot on about the start/stop button. I have been testing NRC, Strava, Apple's App and a Garmin Edge 800 w/HR strap…all at the same time. It has been very hard to get the times on all the devices the same. Swipping left to pause/end a run in an App is difficult.

    HERE ARE SOME GOOD TIPS FOR APPLE WATCH OS:

    1. PAUSE YOUR RUNS WITH BUTTONS
    If you DO NOT have your Apple Watch set up to take screenshots, Apple's Workout App will pause the activity if you press the Digital Crown and the side button at the same time. So far, NRC and Strava DO NOT support this yet, but I suspect most apps will adopt this.

    2. DOCK YOUR APPS
    I have Strava, NRC and Apple Workouts all in my Dock. When I push the Side Button, I can quickly get to my docked Apps. To dock an App, open it, then press the Side Button. Choose "Keep in Dock" below the App. While the Dock is visible, press and hold on an App to move it to the left or right. I keep all of my fitness Apps docked on the left side. This makes it a lot easier to start/stop activities in different Apps.

    3. PLAN YOUR START/STOPS
    Some Apps have a countdown before the time starts, some don't. If I start a run on NRC, it counts down, 3… 2… 1. So, I start my run on NRC, and in the 3 seconds that it counts down, I go over and launch Strava, so they both start at about the same time. Tip #2 above makes this possible. When I end my run, I end the NRC App first, then Strava, to keep the times as close to the same as possible.

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  • I would just like to point out that Pokemon Go managed to release a gps watch app before strava was able to.

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  • @Brian Ketterer Pokemon Go had more active users than Twitter at one point and was generating over $500k per day in revenue as late as October. I have no idea how many paid users Strava has, but at a premium subscription cost of $0.16/day it would take an astronomical number of users for it to match Pokemon Go.

    None of that is an excuse for them not having a GPS watch app available yet, but comparing Strava with one of the highest grossing apps ever is not really fair (unless you meant it as a joke).

     

     

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  • "I would just like to point out that Pokemon Go managed to release a gps watch app before strava was able to"

    Thing is, even Niantic are more transparent about their plans. For a company that builds such a good core product, the unwillingness to talk about what their actual plans are for the Apple Watch is immensely frustrating.

    It does mean that I end up thinking where else to spend my money, which is a shame.

    If we had an idea of what your plans actually were, I could work out whether or not I should look elsewhere. The Apple Watch is a killer opportunity if you get it right, and you have a community who want to help. But there's nothing coming back in our direction...

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  • I am surprised that, unless I missed it, no creative mind has found a way yet to export run data from the watch Activity app to Strava. Have I missed it?

    Also, just started running this week with my new iWatch and I experienced the issue mentioned above about not being able to end a run with wet fingers when running in humid and sweaty Florida on vacations.

    Lastly, I hope the new Strava version will offer some display options on the watch.

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  • Well, I've just got an apple watch2 for christmas. Getting starva working without the iPhone will be a great add. Also being able to generate Lap by touching the screen, or being able to upload training would be perfect for running sessions. Once getting back home, nothing else to do than opening Strava on the phone or the computer to check the performances and setting up the next session .....

    I'm really impatient to discover the upgraded application hoping that the new app will give all the flexibility than for a classical running watch... I'd rather use Strava than the Exercice app which is not so far to give a good flexibility for running session. Unfortunately no possibility of  synchronizing with starva ... The app can show starva session but no possibility to export to Strava. I hope the reason is to leave this opportunity for the next Strava app ....

    Also for the Cycling parte being able to switch on the plan while connected to the phone could give an other benefit to this watch once placed on the handle bar ....

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  • Adding my voice to the many, I love Strava and am every excited about getting the new Strava app on my AW2.

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  • I just got my apple watch 2 purely to use with strava and not have to carry my phone with me!

    Got it to find out i can't even do this, really disappointed. When will this be solved?

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