Changing FTP changes all previous training score data

Currently, updating your FTP causes a mass change to all prior workout data, rendering all the past performance data inaccurate (the data is only as good as the FTP it is attached to).

If - 12 months ago - my FTP was 250, and today I update it to 300, all my previous workouts are "downgraded" in their relative training intensity and stress scores. Which does not reflect reality because 12 months ago, these workout felt intense and stressful for my fitness level back then.

What should happen is that when you update FTP, only workouts after the change are affected.

Strava people - this is costing you money! Athletes who are serious about their data are using competitors' products and free alternatives. I am forced to use GoldenCheeteah, if you changed this one bug I'd be a premium Strava member.

 

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  • Official comment

    Thanks for adding your thoughts, folks. I totally understand the need to adjust the FTP settings so that when your FTP changes, it only affects the workouts AFTER the FTP change (and not before). 

    I'll pass this on to our Product Managers and get it on their radar. Unfortunately, I can't give you an ETA for a feature like this. 

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  • Totally agree with this. It would be nice if HR threshold, FTP (or even better, FTP/kg) were tracked over time by Strava. As it is, looking at past rides don't necessarily reflect the intensity/effort relative to one's fitness at that time.

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  • Adding my +1 here – I came to Strava support to log this exact ticket, as this is quite a serious mistake that's been bothering me for some time. The FTP /at the time of the ride/ needs to be used for calculating IF & other metrics. It follows that FTP values should have durations, & there should be a history of FTP values for an athlete, & it would make sense to expose this in the UI (as is done by products like TrainerRoad & WattsBoard).

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  • I strongly agree.  FTP needs to be stored as a time series on an "as/was" basis.  There is no way to measure progress and do a meaningful analysis of history without this capability.

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  • +1 for this. I've just adjusted by FTP up and seen my Fitness revised down as a result.  I'm currently on a Premium free trial and enjoying the Fitness and Freshness chart, but cannot imagine paying for this if it cannot properly account for improvements in FTP.

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  • Just dropped my F&F 35 points and ALL historical data after changing my FTP. Are you serious?
    Are you working on this?

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  • After having the feel good of increasing my FTP by 10% after some good consistent training & seeing my 'fitness' increase to 74 on the f&f chart I am a bit dissapointed to see my fitness drop to the 50's as a result of updating my FTP.
    Please resolve this issue ASAP or I will have to bite the bullet and pay the extra for training peaks.

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  • How on earth has this not been solved yet?

    I appreciate that there may be data engineering/science challenges around implementing  this but you are a fitness analytics service - be better, this is what you do. This is incredibly basic functionality for fitness tracking. Improving your fitness improves your FTP, thus a new increase in FTP should at the very least not lead to a historical fitness decrease. If you can't accommodate power meters and manage FTP correctly, don't allow it as an input!! This is the main thing I pay for Strava premium for and expect better.

    I will be downgrading my subscription and trying other fitness analytics tools until this is fixed.

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  • What's that? Still not fixed? Going on a year and the basic functionality of the Fitness and Freshness graph is still busted for users who use power meters? 

    Come on folks, you're not a small company and this isn't a hard fix. Set it in front of your engineers and they'll have it fixed in a week. Stop blowing people off. 

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  • I'm the original poster of this issue. There have been a number of comments since I last commented here, so I thought I'd chime back in.

    - It's been 3 years since I posted this issue.

    - It's been over a year since Jeff from Strava paid lip-service to this issue.

    To newer posters asking for updates on this issue - just move on. Move to another platform for your training needs. Whether it's general incompetence by Strava, or some sort of intellectual property issue, it is not going to get resolved. I've contacted them over a dozen times about this, it became my personal crusade. Crickets.

    It's frustrating, but this is, however absurdly, where we are.

    Edit: to add, probably the best - and only - thing you can do, if you are a Premium user, is to cancel your subscription and direct them to this post.

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  • They are never fixing this.  They don't care that what they are doing makes absolutely no sense and is not beneficial from a training prespective.  All they care about is collecting your data.  Letting my Summit membership lapse after paying for it for several years was the best decision I made.  I don't miss it in the least.

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  • I am adding my voice to this as it is crazy that FTP history is not tracked properly and an increase on your FTP actually ends up reducing your F&F score. WTF, Strava? It's very simple: create a new table; add columns:

    • Valid From
    • Valid To,
    • FTP value,
    • Weight,
    • Athlete Id 

    Now store users FTP history there and use it for your calculations.

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  • 3 years premium member, 2 months power meter user - bye bye premium - hello training peaks!

    I guess Strava doesn't give a rats ass about this, since the power meter users who are in the segment "not so serious that we use dedicated software, but still competitive enough to use strava" mounts to only a fraction of the premium members. 

    Out.

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  • +1 - Just started training, but I also signed up for Premium for the additional analytics. For a feature - if you want to call it that - really we’re just asking for accurate historical data and calculations based on that data - that has been requested for so long, I’d hope to see some movement and communications by Strava.

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  • FYI the latest version of stravistix (v6.5) now support athlete settings over time (@see https://twitter.com/champagnethomas/status/1039820161061203968)

     

    Download plugin: https://thomaschampagne.github.io/stravistix/

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  • Jess - this is some sort of joke, right?

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  • Seriously ridiculous. Please fix this. I’ve just swapped from virtual power training to a powered meter so seen a big change in my FTP number, now my fitness freshness chart will be junk for 42 days again. As well as my historical data not being reflective of what I was adoring ants feeling at the time.

     

    Changing HR zones does not affect past workouts relative effort scores, why does a change in FTP?

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  • This post was made almost exactly two years ago and yet this function has still not been implemented into the fitness/freshness graph. It's also taken almost two years for an official response to this post and the best we get is "its been passed on, maybe it'll get done at some point in the future, maybe".

    My FTP does not stay the same year round and I would like an accurate graph that reflects that my fitness level changes over time. This needs to be far higher up the priority list considering this has been an issue for years. Please fix this. 

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  • Incredible that Strava could botch this so badly and continue to refuse to fix it.  It makes Fitness and Freshness scores worthless and I'm guessing a lot of folks are paying them specifically for this feature.

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  • I assume these experts at Strava must be a bit uninsightful, because they do not understand the importance to find a solution for this problem.

    I compare it to their 'intelligent' behaviour, not to understand the difference between calories and Kilocalories, even after years and dozens of user complaining.

    I have no hope.

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  • This definitely needs to get fixed.  I messaged support and sent a link to this thread as well.

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  • LOL, I canceled my Summit account and sent a link to this thread and the other one like it.  They know about it, they just don't care.

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  • Strava!!! you can not be taken seriously for fitness tracking with it working the way it is. I am cancelling my summit membership and sending this thread link in as well. I currently use Xert to track so I no longer need Strava's wonky data.

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  • Adding to this thread, hoping this defect will be fixed.  FTP updates should only impact workout that are done afterwards.  It needs to be calendar based so that previous workouts are not recalculated when your current FTP is updated.  This is an obvious gap that was missed and needs to be addressed.  Thanks.

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  • +1 for this. this is especiallly annoying in winter- and indoor-training.

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  • This just happened to me today and I am not happy, I pay for this and been a premium Strava member for years.  PLEASE Resolve or I will have to go back to your free membership and spens money for others to work out mt data

    Thanks. 

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  • Only just come across this issue, and its ridiculous! How annoying...

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  • It isn't going to change fellas, this issue is now years old and Strava are aware of the issue (I've raised it with them multiple times). I'm convinced it is a legal/licensing issue with competing software. I'd recommend Golden Cheetah as an accurate - and free - way of managing your training. And vote with your feet - discontinue Strava premium and tell them why.

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  • Wow.  I like Strava, but this is a dealbreaker.

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  • Strava offical team - has this been fixed yet?

    It is crazy  that we cannot update our FTP for current fitness levels without destroying all previous data. This does not have to be advanced like Training Peaks to bulk change, etc - just let us change FTP one date and all future workouts use that FTP until changed again. Putting the onus on the athlete as a first implementation step would be fine.


    Thanks!!!

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