Filter Segment Leaderboard by bike type

This would allow segments to be filtered to view only results by bike type, thus separating mountain bike versus road bike segments results.

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  • Grumpy Flumps... you would really take you road bike on a mountain bike trail? They aren't all super smooth. And if you did that just to get a KOM then you would be a cheater and most likely be called out on it. Mountain bike segments would obviously be on mountain bike trails and not the road.

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  • @Doug

    If you are obviously on a mountain bike when on a mountain bike trail..., then why do you need a filter?!

    From reading most of the comments here what you say isn't correct, people want the filter for when they are riding their mountain bike on the road, which is where the "cheating" come to play.

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  • Well having a filter for mountain bike on a "road segment" sounds stupid, yes. But I think this goes hand-in-hand with other things. Like my situation... I part run a mountain bike club and we just started a Strava Club page for our mountain bike club... but a lot of the people myself included also road bike ride. So It's kind of dumb to have road rides show up in a mountain bike club. Well, if they made a way to separate out "mountain biking" as an activity or even allow clubs to filter by bike type, it would work (in my case). 

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  • My opinion about the feature - yes, it would be extremely useful to compare road vs off-road performance independent on the trail you're on. I'd like to eventually see my overall average on speed between my road bike vs my mountain bike and compare with others, apples to apples, oranges to oranges, the same way we can divide by age group and weight.

    @Strava - why in the world is it taking so long (over 2 years!) for you to position yourself on this discussion string? It's obvious that there is great support for this feature and it will be well accepted by the great majority. PLEASE RESPOND!

    @Grumpy Flumps - just as you are still perplexed at this filter request, I am also amazed at the time you have devoted in criticizing it. For whatever reasons you have for not supporting it, if it ever becomes integrated, simply don't use it!

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  • Hello,

    I love this app. It is excellent, but to be able to dististingush between on and off road riding would be excellent. Do it by bike type, or segment colour - either way it would help you plan your routes more efficiently, as I am not keen on riding roads too much. It's hard work on a bike that weights 20kg and has knobbly slugs for tyres. Give me dirt any day. YEAH!

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  • Definitely want to see an icon at the minimum next to each time showing the type of bicycle.  When I am riding a road bike, I don't care about the times of those who are riding TT bicycles.  When I ride a TT bicycle I don't care about the times of those riding recumbents.  They don't share the same lap record time between F1 and supersport motorcycles for a reason - it would be pointless to do so.  If I am out riding my road bike and get a 3rd best time, I want to be able to see an icon by the top 2 times showing a depiction of a road/tt/recumbent/full suspension/hardtail/rigid/cyclocross/etc..  Otherwise what's the point of the rankings even existing unless you happen to use the fastest type of bicycle?  They are the only ones who get any useful information out of the current system.  This would also be great for things like mountain biking trails because you could immediately see what type of bicycle works best on that particular trail.  Then, you could filter the leaderboard by your bicycle type to see what place you are compared to others on the same type of bicycle.  Anyway, just a thought.   Seems it would be easy enough to add one more column next to speed and time.  It would only have to be big enough for a small icon.

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  • http://www.strava.com/segments/6104062

    Dirt segment parallels bike path. Combined leader board = useless.

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  • I'll add another voice here - I appreciate the difficulties in categorising -  e.g. road vs mountain, or do you go the whole hog and differentiate between Road, TT, cyclocross, rigid MTB, hard-tail, full-sus, Enduro etc. etc.

    That said, as a mountain biker I find many (most?) segments in Strava to be useless to me for comparison and even a basic "mountain vs road" would help a great deal here. Sorry guys, but other services offer a more granular breakdown, so I think it's something that will increasingly alienate non-road riders. I won't go premium without it, as the benefit just isn't there for me.

    In fact, I prefer Endomondo's approach to fitness analysis, so if the segments don't work, that's Strava big USP out of the window for me. Shame :/

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  • Una cosa son melocotones y otra nectarinas, se parecen pero no son lo mismo, Strava debería diferenciar BTT/MTB de ciclismo de carretera .... 

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  • After looking at improving my times with my Road bike (and compete against other's best times),  I've discovered that I have absolutely no chance of matching certain riders because they are riding with triathlon bikes! The physics simply aren't there... it does not matter how much I want to upgrade my bike's components, I will never be able to beat those times. 

     

    The current filters (age and weight) help to narrow my comparisons  but the significant time differences VS riders on aero bikes remain. BTW - I figured they ride aero bikes because their profile pictures but I can't tell for sure).

    It should not be a big problem to add one button (at the beginning of the ride) to enter our bike type (Mountain, Hybrid, Road, Aero). Alternatively, STRAVA can work magic behind the scenes (as they are doing it already by incorporating my age, gender data into my workouts) and create an extra filter.

     

    A longer term addition that I would also like to see is wheels types and sizes (OK, this may be too much).

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  • Hi folks! We're gearing up to work on some new segment leaderboard improvements later this summer, and so your feedback regarding segments and bike type used is valuable. Please share this with your friends so we can gather more comments! There are a few separate topics I see here:

    - Ability to filter a segment leaderboard by bike type listed on the activity page: If we go by the options in the "My Gear" settings page, this could be for Road Bike/Mountain Bike/TT Bike/Cyclocross Bike. Of course, this list doesn't include all bike types (there is a separate feedback thread for that here). The one caveat is that not all users may select the appropriate bike for their activity. There is another feature suggestion that mountain biking should be it's own activity type. 

    Award a unique achievement icon for the fastest time for each bike type: This would expand on the above concept, but also be limited by user's entering the correct bike type. 

    Designate segments as pavement or dirt: You can find a discussion on this here (please post your comments in the appropriate forum). Perhaps this could be automatically designated by which bike type is assigned to the majority of the activities that match the segment? 

    Show Terrain type (dirt/pavement) in Strava Route builder: There is also a separate discussion forum for this topic here and here (please post your comments in the appropriate forum). Perhaps the segment designation above could feed into Route builder to allow this information to be communicated. 

    Let me know if I missed any other feedback trends covered here, keep the comments coming!

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  • Hi Elle,

    There is one other request that has been mentioned a few times in this thread: the ability to filter My Results for a segment by bike used. You could swap the existing rider name column for bike name and allow a filter. That way I those with more than one MTB can see which was quicker through a particular section of trail, or in my case I can split my weekday commuter from my weekend roadie.

     

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  • So the distinctions (as I understand them) are: 

    1) Type of SEGMENT ("Road" or "MTB" possibly linked to "surface" though that gets complex) <--- objective, HELPFUL new info not currently collected in Strava (but used in competitors like Garmin's new segment feature)

    2) Type of BIKE used (Various) <--- objective, Info collected by strava already (voluntarily) but not used in any way for filters (only for calories burned??)

    3) Type of  ACTIVITY  ("road bike ride" or "mountain bike ride" )  <-- subjective, and tricky: What if I ride 3 miles on road to a 6 mile trail, then 3 road miles home? Ie is a road ride on my mountain bike a road activity or a mtb activity and vice versa?

     

    #1 -- SUPER useful for route finding / segment exploration. PLEASE let me hide road segments when I'm looking for MTB segments in an area.

    #2 --  A) fun for comparison sake, B) easy to implement a filter (those without that field filled get tossed in the "unknown" category), C) could be used to help inform an automatic determination of #1 (eg 90% of riders used a MTB on this segment... its probably a trail segment...) and  D) would clear up cases where a road segment and a trail segment are side-by-side and Strava records your times on both. <---( for instances like this, it would be great to have a "I didn't ride this segment" button that pulls your time off whatever leaderboard, and gives feedback to Strava that there needs to be tighter parsing of tracks in that area... but I digress)

    #3 --  has large margin of error... Just note the myriad of impressive fast 'runs' that turn out to be 'rides' mis-labeled. And what do you do when someone rides a trail on their road bike and labels it a road ride?

    In short: if I ride a trail segment, it doesn't matter what bike I'm on, or what I was doing before and after... I should be able to compare my time to everyone who has ridden that segment, filtering by bike class if I so choose. But knowing it's a trail segment before I get out there could make the difference between a great day and a disaster. 

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  • Count me in! I definitely vote to distinguish between major bike categories (MTB, road bike, hybrid, fixie.... )

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  • Yeah, no time to read all pages but although I'm not too bothered about comparing my times to other people's bike choices as in the summer I'm almost always on the carbon road bike, I'd like to be able to see my own separate PBs for my road bike, winter CC bike and MTB. I'm about to upgrade to premium (assuming the flag as hazardous debacle is sorted out) but was just gonna do this on a monthly basis as there's no point being on Premium when you're riding one of your slow bikes. Separate 'accounts' that still let you see PBs for each bike type would be a great idea to keep the motivation going throughout the cold and rain...

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  • I would say to keep it as simple as possible for the first change - differentiating between "road" and "mountain" would be the most logical step. Getting into individual bike type within those main categories is where it would get trickier. You could now do the same thing with mountain too... fat bike, 29er, single speed, etc.

    So starting with just "road" and "mountain" separation is probably a good change.

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  • 100% agree to Doug! 

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  • Let's please start with a simple step:

    Categories:

    MTB

    Hybrid

    Road

    TT

    To avoid falling into the logistical nightmare, can I suggest to include a button at the beggining of the workout that allows to select the bike AND then provide a confirmation message BEFORE saving the ride to confirm the bike... that's two opportunities for the user to select the correct bike type.

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  • Many thanks Elle Anderson for finally doing something about this after 2 years, me and many friends have been wanting a solution for a while now.  I understand the caveat about not selecting the correct bike a ride but if we notice a ride done on an incorrect bike then we could use the "flag this activity" button, then on the list of things to do to fix the flag there should be an option to change the bike.  Me and many of my friends ride recumbent bikes and we have a lot of trouble with rides being flagged as our bikes are not on the list of available bikes.  Please see the picture of what my inbox can sometimes look like.  Any solution which puts an end to the excessive flagging of my rides would be appreciated .

    I personally would not want MTB/TT etc to be totally separate activities as I'd like to be able to see my total mileage ridden on all bikes and also use the same segments.

    Being able to differentiate between road and MTB in the route builder would be a big plus for me and make the route builder much more useful if I know it's not going to send me down dirt tracks on a narrow tyred bike.  Something else I would find massively useful is if I can filter the global heat-map (http://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#6/-78.18516/37.07384/blue/bike) by road or MTB as that will make the global heat-map more useful for route planning. 

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  • I am another fan of having surface metadata (dirt, pavement, cobbles, mud, sand, whatever) AND bike metadata.

    One suggestion to avoid the "wrong bike" problem would be make the default bike it's own category (e.g., "open") this could work kind of like Strava does today with Power.  If you have a power-meter, then the power information is known, otherwise it is "estimated".  Similarly, you would only get bike-type information if you specifically select the bike type. In addition, if you don't specify the bike type, then that activity would be eligible only for "open" class leaderboards.  Perhaps making the bike-specific leaderboards premium-only would also cut down on bad data in the narrower leaderboards.

    Once you start distinguishing between bike types, then other metadata it would be nice to have would be "group", "solo", and "motorpaced" ride metrics.

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  • What do you guys think about creating "Ride Type Tags" like Road, Mountain, Cyclocross, Commute, Time Trail, Track, Tandem, Recumbent, Hand Cycle, Velomobile... you see my point. (These could look and function exactly like the current Run type tags you see for Race, Long Run, Workout). Then, if you select a tag Strava will automatically prompt to you select a bike from your "My Gear" page to fit that tag, or to create a new bike. If you select a bike first, Strava will automatically select the correct ride type tag (which would also happen by default for whatever bike type you have set as the default). 

    (Do you think this would create problems if someone takes their mountain bike on pavement only? Would they want to classify a ride as a "Road ride" even if you're on you MTB? What about a Tandem Mountain Bike?)

    Switch to the Segment Leaderboards, where you could filter by each ride type tag (which is essentially matched to bike type). This means that Mountain Bikers can compare their times, as well as each other ride type group.

    The Ride Type tag that is selected would determine language on the Activity Feed, social media, Training Logs, etc.  to help visually identify the type of ride. 

    Just a few of my own ideas to throw out there! 

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  • Elle - yes, good ideas!  Now if they can be implemented without a(nother) multi year wait...

    Way back in the early days of Strava a user could tag rides with various descriptive terms.  Once again, a feature that disappeared with no explanation.

     

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  • I have attached an image to this comment that shows off something similar to what I would like to see. In the Main leaderboard it shows which bike everyone was using for that ride. On the left you can then filter the leader board to one or more specific bike types (potentially a premium feature). I would like to see more bikes added to the my Gear section.

    You DO NOT believe you should get KOM for being first with your bike type. You do not take a knife to a gun fight.

    I DO NOT want the bike type used to determine the surface of a segment. Locally there are segments that are road, but majority of the leader board would be Mountain bikers.

    I don't think Mountain biking as a separate activity is needed. What is needed is Mountain bike specific Challenges. This could be done by the challange requiring a specific bike type/s be used to complete the challenge. i.e. Ride 100km in one ride on a Mountain Bike.

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  • I realise you can add a tag after the event to show which bike was being used, but adding a tag before the ride starts so that you're only comparing your times on the segments with your PRs set on the same bike would be ideal. Because as far as I can tell, there's no way to get results showing your PRs set on your different bikes on the same course - I can commute the same roads using a carbon road bike, cyclocross or MTB...

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  • Tim Rowe, I don't agree on your comment that you don't think mountain biking should be it's own activity. Nearly everyone I know use Strava for mountain biking in addition to road biking. We have a local Strava club page that is for a MOUNTAIN BIKE club... yet it shows road bike rides for everyone in it. Kind of ridiculous for a mountain bike club wouldn't you say?

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  • @Doug Janni

    I'm a Mountain biker and a member of mountain bike clubs. Like many other members of my mountain bike clubs. I also road ride and I compete in cyclocross races.

    I believe there is more potential in a filter system. For a Mtn Bike club page, I believe it would be better if the club could set a default filter to view only mtb activities. Like wise, a road cycling club could set a default filter to only show the road cycling activities. A Cyclocross goup could defaut the filter to cx only. A unicyclist club filter only unicycling activities and so on.

    With the filter options, club members could then also compare themselves against other club members for different bike types without leaving the club page.

    The creation of Mountain biking as a separate activity rather than a filter places limitations on possibilities and creates duplication of segments.

    Like I said, I am a Mountain Biker but almost everything they are asking for in the other thread can be achieved through a filter system. The only real problem is when a road segment runs parallel to a dirt segment and they pick each other up. Maybe a fix for that is when a segment surface is determined as dirt, it could apply a exclusion filter to road style bikes that are not intended for dirt activities.
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  • Just want to clarify something. We are NOT talking about changing KOM/QOM in any way, are we?? (like adding KOM-MTB!?) A KOM is a KOM, regardless of bike type, surface, weather, the "type" or ride, what you had for breakfast, or who you were with. It just is. You are either the fastest person to the top on (two) wheels, or you aren't.

    If I set a ride type to "Off Road", then crush a road segment on my way to the trails... shouldn't I get my KOM for that segment?

    So:

    Ride Type: Activity meta data used for stats and categorizing activity (annual miles, monthly elevation, etc), club logs, etc...

    Segment Surface (Type): Segment meta data used for route planning and discovery. Set by the segment creator or those who have ridden it. Single-track, asphalt, double-track, cobble... etc.

    Bike Type: Activity meta data used for filtering THE leader-board for a segment.

    Time: The only thing that determines KOM.

     

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  • Tim, we are most likely on the same page then. I sort of joined up with this discussion since it was similar, but I'm more interested in filters of some sort like you described. I personally don't care that much about labeling segments a "mountain" or a "road" bike segment... hey, if someone can take their road or CX bike on a mountain bike trail and get the KOM, then good for them!

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  • Tim, I really like your picture, it is pretty much precisely what I had in mind.  

    I agree with your comments about there only being one KOM myself.  I understand that each bike has it's strengths and weaknesses, for example, steep hills will favor the lightweight road bike, technical single-track will favor the MTB and the flat roads will favor the recumbent riders and one should select the best bike for a certain segment to have a chance of getting a KOM.  I know I'm almost never going to get a KOM on a steep hill with my 25kg tricycle recumbent but to be honest I'm not bothered as I know it's not the best tool for that kind of segment.  I like your analogy of not taking a knife to a gun fight however there are some riders out there (not sure how many or what percentage) who consider that using a bike which is faster than theirs is "cheating" somehow.  I've had quite a few rides flagged over the years (possibly 100+ flags), I've tediously un-flagged each ride by cropping a small amount off the start of each ride and even then I've had some rides flagged multiple times, as have many of my friends.  One of my mates have even re-named one of his rides "Stop flagging this ride" (and it still gets flagged).  I wondering if a simple filter as pictured would be enough to please the ride flaggers and put an end to these stupid flagging wars?  Two users who I know are displeased with recumbent rides is http://www.strava.com/athletes/1571 and http://www.strava.com/athletes/995677 It maybe worth asking them what would please them?

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  • On the Cycle Show last week, an MTB pro did a downhill section on a road bike and beat an ex-pro road racer who was using a MTB by 15 seconds (on a2-min or so time). So it can be done!

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