Award Segment Achievements for your Age Group

It would be a motivator if it was possible to achieve achievements for the over 40 crowd, right now it seems impossible and searching each segment by the leaderboard method with a age filter is too time consuming, it would be better if it showed in your profile highlights.   Maybe Award different colors in the trophy for age specific...RED, Green or Blue trophy.

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  • I like the general idea of many of the suggestions here, but I don’t think some of you are thinking about the future...If you hang around long enough you will reach my age of 77 and I didn't start riding until I was 70.  (I have to chuckle at the guy that says, “well, I didn’t start riding until I was 50.” (Hah…s/he has no idea at all.)  You may be unhappy because you have too many in your group but wait until you don’t have but 2 or 3 or worse no one at all.

    The “65 and Over” group has been advocating for a breakdown of that group, but that would leave many riders alone because there aren’t that many over 70’s still riding for whatever reason.  As someone has said a 10-year spread is a big difference for meaningful comparisons.  On most segments I am often the only rider in the segment.  That means I am back to having no comparisons at all.

    What I think would be very helpful would be to show the age of each rider.  When you reach the elderly age (whenever that is) you revert to answering your age in the same way you did when you were on the playground…I’m 77 going on 78!

    I can't imagine anyone complaining about showing their age as one of the "vital" statistics.  If some would object to having their age revealed, perhaps Strava could ask for a waiver from those of us who want to get meaningful comparisons.

    I don’t think someone lying about their age is an issue.  Most people are inherently honest and how are they profited by lying?  It doesn’t give them a comparison for themselves…

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  • I stopped racing when the local club decided to do away with age groups and just have categories of A, B, C, D and E. When I'm competing against people over 40 years younger I find it a little pointless. So same with Strava, was thinking of giving up the Premium as they only give recognition to those 40 years younger - so why should I use the Premium? Give us Age KOM (A-KOM). And whist your at it how about groupings that match international racing age categories (or age categories for seniors Olympics)?

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  • MONEY!  Strava, are you paying attention?  You can make MONEY by listening to this thread!  The men's masters crowd drives the high-end bicycle market.  Masters racers and riders actually buy $11,000 road bikes - essentially no one else does.  The men's masters fields are often full (or doubled) at USAC local races.  Strava, it was a stroke of genius to hide age-group information behind the Premium Membership, because the age-groupers have the money and they will spend it.  But your omission of age-group KOMs (and QOMs) and all the other details that go with it (leaderboards, lost-your-KOM emails, etc.) is dumbfounding.  How can you not see that the features suggested on this thread are FAR more monetizable than any existing features in your Premium Membership?  This is a pure software feature - write the code, put it in beta, and dock your CEO's salary for every day that your schedule slips!

    I'm canceling my Premium Membership now, because it offers me nothing that I can't get from occasionally checking a filtered leaderboard on someone else's Strava account.  As soon as you have age-group KOMs I will immediately pay up for a year of Premium.  If you get this feature in beta, I'll immediately pay up for a year just to be a beta tester.  And I'll tell ALL my masters friends who currently don't have Premium because it has nothing they want.  It's that simple.  MONEY.

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  • I agree but, also, II think that achievement podium trophies should be awarded to all age groups, as my suggestion:   Age Group KoM's, Qom's & Podium Trophies

    https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/69224100-Age-Group-KoM-s-Qom-s-Podium-Trophies

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  • All good comments below.  I am 66 and came 5th in my age group in the world in 70.3 Triathlons.  Triathletes and cyclists and swimmers and runners all have the opportunity to compete in age groups.  Within STRAVA it is suggested this can also be done.  It cannot.  No matter what STRAVA tell you the age grouping s within STRAVA are not accurate.  As a good example.  The current June 10km Challenge for my age group shows me ranked 10th.  A quick review of the 9 gents that are beating me reveals that 8 of them are quite clearly not 65+.  This si the same in the segment age group leader boards.  In my home town, Perth, I know a lot of athletes and in particular triathletes and it is very easy for anyone to check the age of an athlete through their participation in their sport locally.  In most of the local segments where I get good results in the top 5 to 10, I am nearly always ranked below young fellows who appear in my age group by error.  My suspicion is they are not premium members so entering in their age correctly is not high on their agenda.  I spend many hours flagging segments and communicating with "imposters" but to no avail.  The whole age thing on STRAVA is a mess so hoping for age based anything is somewhat futile.  And of course the older you get the more the impact of "imposters".  I have attached a copy of the June 10km Challenge current rankings.  Tom Mulcahy is 34, Phillip Pinson is about 40, Alex Schaffer is 24, Olli S is very young with that time .........!!

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  • Strava & Elle Anderson - Community Support - August 14, 2014, 2:56 PM & November 18, 2014, 1:38 AM - How much is it going to take Strava to meet your older member's reasonable requests for age group trophies and an extended range of age groups?   I know we're often invisible to others whilst walking about town, but Strava its nearly a year now since you proffered support for this thread. If we all cancel our Premium membership will that make a difference?

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  • I support further Age Group related recognition BUT, as I have mentioned in a previous post, too many athletes have their age entered incorrectly.  In the sample Segment results attached to this post, 25% of the top guys are NOT in my age group.  Tom Mulcahy is not, he's 34. Pedro is not he's 45, Rick Ladwig was not he was 51, Michael Cannondale R is not.  Until ages are entered correctly and somehow certified AGE related awards will be a nonsense.....Steve, 66!!

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  • Here's an idea to help resolve the "age honesty" issue.  Maybe STRAVA could arrange for a persons age to show in the same area as where the individuals picture or motif is?  That might encourage the athlete to correct an incorrect age as his friends and peers will see it....Steve

     

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  • Steve Brown, June 27, 2015, 7:49 PM, yes I agree that would encourage honesty - but I guess there are a lot of Stravites out there, apart from those falsely stating their age, which do not like others knowing their age.

    Anything more than the grouping all our efforts together, irrespective of age or in fact drafting/chaingang effects, would be a benefit.  The latter problem of course could be weeded out by Strava if they chose to of course, as they already know when other Stravaites are riding the same segment at the same time via their "Flyby" filter.

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  • To solve the sad age cheats if the age category was displayed behind the age related cup or crown award, all the cheats results would be seen by their peers and how embarrassing would that be? It would also give all  the people over 35 real awards as this thread suggests. No brainer Strava and this would generate many more older premium members not less.

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  • Most contributors to this thread agree that we want age-group segment achievement awards in Strava, but we haven’t delved too deeply into the gory details of how Strava should implement this.  In this posting I’ll outline one possible implementation model, hoping to foster further discussion of some of these details.  I apologize for the size of this posting, but if you don’t care about the details you can skip the rest!

    The model I’ll propose here is an “opt-in” model - a model that can be scaled to support providing segment awards to any number of subgroups of Strava athletes, without disturbing the general body of Strava athletes who don’t care about subgroups and don’t want to know about their achievements.  The particular subgroup that is of interest to this thread is age-group athletes, but many other potential subgroups exist (see below).  The core point of this model is that each athlete must “opt-in” to become a member of any subgroup.  I.e., if you want to receive segment awards for your age-group, you must explicitly “opt-in” to the age-group subgroup - you will not receive segment awards for your age-group just because you are a Strava premium member.

    Once an athlete (who must be a premium member) has “opted-in” to a subgroup, that athlete would receive the full set of Strava segment awards, trophies, etc., relative to only the other members of that subgroup.  Further, the leaderboards for that athlete could be filtered to show only members of the athlete’s subgroup.  Maybe such filtering could optionally become the default setting for the athlete’s account, effectively allowing subgroup athletes to live in a Strava-world of their own, where they never have to see how fast the elite riders can actually climb those hills!

    This “opt-in” model solves - or at least addresses - some of the problems that have been mentioned on this thread.  Incorrect athlete age, for example.  When an athlete “opts-in” to any subgroup, a dialog screen would ask the athlete to verify the particular characteristic that qualifies that athlete for that subgroup.  If you “opt-in” to receive age-group awards, a Strava dialog would ask you your age, and inform you that your age will become a public readable field in your Strava profile as a result of “opting-in”.  It might further inform you that your account can be flagged by other athletes if your age is entered incorrectly, potentially resulting in some action being taken by Strava.  What action Strava could actually take is the topic of another discussion - if someone really wants to be an age-cheat there is little that can be done to stop them.  But the main point here is that an athlete’s claim to be qualified to join a subgroup becomes a public claim, and that claim becomes visible to other Strava athletes.

    Another problem solved by “opt-in” is that many Strava athletes won’t want to get subgroup awards, even though they are qualified to do so.  For example, most elite bike racers will not want the uninvited noise in their Strava accounts of receiving age-group awards for the 35-44 age-group - they are interested in overall KOMs, if they are interested in segment awards at all.

    Other potential subgroups: Using an “opt-in” model, Strava could support segment awards in any number of other subgroups, all of them monetizable to Strava because they require premium membership.  For example, your USCA racing category could be a subgroup.  If you “opt-in” to the cat 4 subgroup, then you could receive awards relative to other cat 4’s.  Cycling clubs could have a club admin membership (also monetizable), and members of the club could “opt-in” to their cycling club subgroup and receive segment awards relative to their cycling club membership.  Corporate admin memberships could allow a corporation to effectively buy Strava premium membership for all their employees (very, very, monetizable), and allow the employees to compete amongst themselves for segment awards.

    Open question: Can age-group athletes receive segment awards in a younger age-group?  There are two possible answers here:  Option 1: You can only receive segment awards in your own age-group.  When you age-up from 54 to 55, you can no longer get a KOM in the 45-54 age-group.  Option 2: You can receive segment awards for any age-group younger than yourself, and age-groups are labeled 35+, 40+, 45+, etc.  IMO, option 2 is more appropriate for Strava.  It seems rather unfair that a rider could hold the age-group KOM on his local favorite climb, then lose that KOM and be unqualified to defend it because he/she has grown too old.  It also seems unfair that some 65+ riders who are extremely fit would essentially have no one to compete with if Option 1 were chosen.

    OK - that’s enough.  I hope this provides some food for thought to the other contributors on this thread.

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  • Excellent Bob, well thought out and yes, I did read to the end!  Like all your ideas not least since they seem to cater for all.

    But it's the same old story - WILL STRAVA TAKE ANY NOTICE!

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  • Bob B. -- I agree with all your well, thought through, suggestions and, also, I agree with your option 2 relating to younger, older and any other group qualification members being able to receive appropriate awards - your contribution and support is most welcome.

    Alison P. - Also, I agree with your comments but like you I do wonder if - "......WILL STRAVA TAKE ANY NOTICE!" - I'm unsure how many supporters we need for Strava before will actually do anything, but I do hope its soon.

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  • This request is going on 16 months old and counting.  A year ago it was commented that this new feature was being developed (see August 14th about "segment leaderboards").  The last comment from Strava was from Elle Anderson in November of 2014 (giong on 9 months ago).  

    Can we get an update?  

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  • I would like to see "age group" awards listed. Maybe even just top 3. I wouldn't call it a KOM/QOM, just 1st, 2nd, 3rd for the age group.

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  • Am I thinking about going premium specifically for the use of age groups so I can see where I really fit in. I've been using Strava for a few years now and some of my achievements and pr's I will probably never be able to top again. This lead me to wonder about this issue exactly and I'm glad to have found the answer and that the issue has been resolved. Good work!

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  • Mal, you said "This lead me to wonder about this issue exactly and I'm glad to have found the answer and that the issue has been resolved. Good work!"  

    Exactly what has been resolved?  I still don't see age group based segment achievements.

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  • +1 Please add - nice to look after your athletes who are over 25!

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  • Just 2 things...

    1. age category KOM's

    2. 5-year age grouping

    That's all I (we) ask!  Please, oh, please! 

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  • As an over 55 I totally agree that there should be such a feature as trophies for age groupers.  Searching segments by age group is a poor choice for us more mature athletes

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  • Couldn't agree more with all of this as a 57 going on 58. Age group KOM's is a no brainer surely!

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  • I am afraid Strava are unlikely to do age group KOM's ,not enough people are interested,the odd comment every 3 or 4 months are not going make it happen, so you will have to get premium and be content with looking at your age group to see how you rate against a list of people you probably don't know and may not know or care they are on any such list.

            Funny old world aint it !

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  • Mick:  You got a chuckle from me...

    I noticed at the top of this string, dated Feb. 6, 2015, I made a comment about this topic...TWO years ago...I was 77 then...now 79...maybe, just maybe, I'll hang around long enough to see some real movement on this issue.  It's going to take a lot of the young guys to age a lot more...especially the programmers.  Once the progammers and/or Elle Anderson become "ancient" they might get more excited about doing something.  You think?

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  • If the aging-up of the Strava development team - or more postings on this obscure thread - are really what's required, that's a sad testament to Strava's marketing intelligence.  The majority of many cycling clubs are masters (true for both of mine).  The vast majority of people who dump disposable income into cycling goodies are masters.  Most of the masters I know aren't Strava Premium members because Premium doesn't offer features that they value.  They ALL know that there are no age-group KOMs in Strava, they ALL think there should be, but few of them think that message-board activism might fix that.

    Businesses that are successful - long-term - don't wait for their customers to beat their doors down and explain to them how to get their money.  They actually put some effort into figuring out what their *paying* customers (and potential customers) want.

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  • Part of me wonders how much this has to do with cost.  By tracking/storing/processing all these extra KOMs for a bunch of age groups, Strava would have to buy/rent more storage, more processors, and spend a lot of labor-cost in programming etc. For instance, right now they store KOM info for men and women. If they added, say, 4 new age group KOMs for men and women, that would be a 5x increase in KOMs (10 total vs 2 now). Of course it's doable, but there would have to be an incremental cost for "opting in" to age group KOMs.  

    I think Bob's comment about the number of masters riders is key though, there are a lot of age group athletes who are probably not interested in Premium without age-group KOMs.  I would guess that age 40+ athletes would gladly pay an additional "age group KOM fee" per year, on top of premium, in order to get age-group KOMs.  Then the question becomes, what price point can both pay for the new IT infrastructure and not scare away the customer?  

    So Strava, why not ask?  Hey age-group rider, if Strave were to implement age-group KOM, what's the most you would pay?

    • $10 more per year?
    • $15 more per year?
    • $25 more per year?
    • $50 more per year?

     

     

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  • Peter G, I would pay $10 a year.

    Also, for those that train/ride on turbo trainers using Zwift or similar virtual systems, this age group Kom's & Qom's and additional age groups to fairly represent the younger and older Strava-ites becomes even more relevant as, for example, in the virtual world there are hundreds in the 65+ age group.

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  • I second all of this - address the needs of the age groups.

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  • Have to admit, I'm not so concerned with the age group awards as I am with the simple age discrimination. The under 35 folks could care less about age groups, because they are on the top of the standings anyway. Being 50, I'd like to see where I stand in my age group. To do that, I have to pay. The younger crowd - nope.

    The irony is, if that feature were free, I'd probably have signed up for Pro a long time ago. I have declined all Strava's free trials of Pro and refuse to pay for Pro for this reason alone. My guess is that there isn't a single Strava employee over 40. If there was, they'd probably understand that.

    I think Stava is a fantastic product, but as they get older, younger start ups may pass them. I could see a large migration of those that are unfairly asked to pay. I would. And I'd be happy to pay for it. 

     

     

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  • Yeah it would be interesting to know just how many KOM's by age one actually has

    "probably hundreds" also will be that time consuming it would be impossible to work it out

    strava you must know this !!

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  • I add my support to age group KOMs/QOMs.

    While there could be different colours for each age group it would be simple just to have say a blue crown indicating an age group KOM/QOM without specifying which age group.

    Maybe this could be limited to the KOM/QOM only without having the 1 to 10 rating that normally applies.

    I'm interested to know why Strava hasn't taken up this technically simple idea. In terms of support in the Strava community it's hard to know how popular this would be without something like a vote sent by email to all members. Certainly threads like this one are quite obscure and the "vote" box to the right of each of these posts does .... what??

    Thanks for adding a 70+ age group :-). I look forward to future additions of 75+ and 80+, even if the ranks this rather badly up there.

     

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