Support Aero Velomobiles or Rocket bikes on Strava

In the Netherlands, we have a lot of people who are doing their rides with a rocket bike: http://www.velomobiel.nl/ In terms of aerodynamics and times they have a big advantage, is it possible to add a category for so named Rocket / Aerodynamic bikes, because they are ruining the cycling rankings in the Netherlands.

Kind regards, Bjørn Leerkes

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  • I totally agree! Support for a velomobile category would be great to see. They have totally different dynamics and deserve to have a separate category. I don't want to flag their effort, but with a road bike you cant give any competition, the rankings alway ends up with a velomobile biker. excellent effort but on a different level. Make it even. Let the velomobiles compete with each other, like runners and roadbikers. 

    With regards,

    Bram

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  • I also support the proposal.

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  • +1

    This is a very useful proposal. Although I enjoy it, being faster than most road cyclists around here (little altitude...), so it's not a clean and fair comparison in my opinion.

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  • I am all with you for this request - it is only fair for everyone. Please share and click on "Me Too" everyone!

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  • Yes, please. Do not only ask velomobile riders to be fair to road bike riders to our own loss, but help us being fair by being so fair as to grant us a seperate category, or the ability to tag our rides appropriately.

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  • Please Strava, please seperate Velomobiles from the classic sense of competitive cycling. I also do not ride my bike and compete on running-KOMs etc. Thats pretty much the difference between riding a carbon nutshell, a classic road bike and using some Nike running shoe.

    A velomobile is not within the spirit of competitive cycling you advertise for on your own site :)

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  • +1 But I have to add something to Dennis Teepunkt: I know a group of people who go after KOMs in a group, everybody gets his turn but they are using the belgian cycle. So that is more fair than using a recumbant or taking a 35 Kg bike up a hill? Like said before, if velomobiles or recumbants are unfair, clear fair rules should be defined: No bike less than 9 Kg No areo devices on bikes (aero tillers, aero disc wheels, aero frames etc.) Only normal diamond shape frames Only single person rides are to be tracked as drafting is greately influencing speed No rides to be tracked a temperatures over a defined number (e.g. Standard ISA Tempereatur and pressure) due to the big influence of temperarue in drag That would be more or less fair deal and that would be the standards everybody needs to adhere to.
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  • Mr Smith, can you live with having the official UCI regulations? I am fine with them.
    The advantage of riding an aero-frame or having Tri-bars are not relevant compared to what a velo-mobile offers. Also, you can only draft faster than the guy in front of you which limits this arguement quite alot. Furthermore the advantages of disc wheels or aero frames are so low, it helps you to gain like 60 seconds on a 50km time trial only.
    Feel free to open a new submission with all your suggestions - I consider to support you in this case.

    Again, the UCI rules that only bikes with the mentioned frame geometry (tri-angel) are allowed to race on competitions and velomobiles riding at record speeds are considered "Best Human Effort". However, such a ride won't ever be considered as an official (world) record in accordance with the UCI rules.


    It is all up to Strava to actually support you Velomobile riders with any issue you might have. Neither you, nor I can do a thing but to complain or suggest something useful.

    Cheers

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  • I also support the idea of a seperate category for velomobiles. They have a really unfair advantage compared to "normal" race bikes.

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  • No, Matthias, just different. The only thing unfair about it is that Strava doesn't give velomobilists the possibility to tag accordingly so roadbikes and VMs don't get into each others way. Asking us to mark our rides as private renders the whole thing useless.

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  • Either way - I/We would appreciate a response from the STRAVA-TEAM on this! Any comments??

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  • I received a reply to my Facebook comment on Strava regarding Velomobiles!

    My question was: "Hey Strava. I would like to know what the big problem is to add a new category to strava? There is a huge request from roadbike riders AND velomobile riders to give velomobiles an own category so that the results dont mix up anymore. Please answer - what is the big problem?"

    Answer: "Hi Stefan - thanks for your feedback. It is quite a large project for our database to add a new category. However, we have some other ideas in the works to allow data from velomobiles to exist happily on Strava!"

    My reply: "Seriously - that would be awesome - because we all love what you offer and putting the rides on private or workout simply does not Count the kilometres we ride for challenges or simply the overview over our rides. Thanks for the effort - this will help everyone (and it is pretty annoying to get the rides flagged). We don't want to annoy - we wanna simply enjoy strava as well. THANKS for the reply - it is really appreciated!"

    So - it is only a matter of time - I hope the solution is alright for all of us then :)

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  • Thanks for sharing my reply on Facebook @Stefan! We are hoping to schedule this project for the first half of 2015. We will keep a close eye as the feedback develops via this feature forum, so please continue to leave us comments on how your Strava experience could be improved, and how you'd like to compare your data and interact with other cyclists on Strava. 

    For example, what would be the most meaningful way to compare your efforts on a segment? Are there enough other velomobiles in your area to compare/compete against? Is it interesting to see how you compare to traditional bikes on a segment? What current features are most helpful to you when you analyze your ride?

    Another main goal we have is to alleviate the tendency for velomobile activities to be flagged by the community by providing additional tools and filters. We understand that flagged data and private activities are problematic for Challenge participation and other social features on Strava! 

    Thanks for your continued feedback!

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  • Elle Anderson said "Is it interesting to see how you compare to traditional bikes on a segment? "  To me this would be what interests me the most.  There are a number of segments in my area that the Pro Bike Peloton has raced through and it is always interesting to see how I match up to them. 

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  • I agree with Harry. 

    Strava differntiates between men and women and running and cycling. Roadies should just stop flagging everything that is faster, but just live with the fact that they are slow cyclists.

    But if it helps their egos, please add a filter function for the type of bike used.

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  • Could the Velo times still be shown within the rankings but without an official rank. I.e fastest times still at the top, but rank 1 and KOM would still belong to the fastest non velomobile. That way people can see the speeds attainable in velos but without getting upset that their KOMs are being stolen by 'cheats'.

    No other velos where I live so I would be in a class of my own, but some of my followers find the speeds/times interesting and they can't look at them if I have to make rides private.

    A specific velo class would be pretty much meaningless in the UK. I'd have hundreds of KOM's I hadn't really earnt. 

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  • Picking up on Nik Heathmans interest in seeing both roadbikes and velomobiles, I would suggest a filter where you can't only choose one type but have checkboxes for multiple types of bikes. So I can see the leaderboards of both roadbikes and velomobiles, or only faired and non-faired recumbents. KOMs stay within their own class of course.

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  • By the way. The better destinction is "fully faired". While "Velomobile" usually refers to 3-wheel-vehicles, the british "Velocar" to 4 wheel-vehicles, "fully faired" would include all faired bicycles regardles the number of wheels.

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  • It's my hope that Strava will continue to move the state of the art forward on all cycling fronts and not promote the ill-conceived viewpoint that the bicycle was perfected early in the last century. The UCI has its reasons for being stuck in time, but the rest of us shouldn't be held back if we want to take advantage of much of the last 100 years of thinking with regard to cycling ergonomics and efficiency. As in "recumbent" and "velomobile" and "fairing".
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  • Thank you Stefan for taking over the stick. You and me have been putting quite some time in this and I like to think that it made the difference.

    As it is clear that at this moment even in the velomobile dense Netherlands I would have almost no competitors amongst other velomobile riders I would like to see the results of all cyclists. I also would like to see that other cyclists can see our efforts but give them the possibility to filter velomobile rides. What about KOMs' for "best human effort"?

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  • I too would like to see a "fully faired" or "streamline" category added to cover velomobiles and fully faired bikes. I haven't had any velomobile rides flagged yet, but I have a few KOM's already and I know I'm nowhere near as strong as the other top riders. It's just a useless comparison.

    It would also be nice to have a "recumbent" category. They aren't as extreme as velomobiles, but their speed profile is still noticeably different from road bikes. I'd really like to compare my recumbent (unfaired) times with other recumbent riders in the area. 

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  • I also support the proposal. Sperarate category, please! Other solutions like using private sessions can not work.

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  • "first half of 2015" is almost over, any progress?  I may renew my premium if something is happening?

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  • Making rides "workout" is unworkable, as we loose many features, especially premium features for those of us with powermeters etc.  And private is unworkable, as it defeats the main purpose of the app of being able to share rides on social media.  So for now I just have to keep cropping bits off my rides :(

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  • Something new to record velomobile rides???

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  • I support the proposal as well. Velos need a separate category.

    Come on Strava - make it happen!!

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  • It's the first half of 2016, and still no support for velomobiles, while ebikes got their own 'league'...!!! I mean ebikes... You know, those bikes with motor support. They're not even 100% human powered...!!!

    The only thing that comes to my mind is something like WTF... Until now it only kept me from getting a premium account, but I think it is time to leave Strava. Sad...

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  • e-Bikes??? This is totally ridiculous and stupid.

    Whose idea was that? F-U-B-A-R

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  • When I recently complained of getting flagged on even the most casual of rides (clearly bullying) one of the suggestions was to have my rides categorized as "e-bike" ride. Or flag my own rides! I thought about it really hard but I just cannot bring myself to do that. Instead I rather leave it to the Strava bullies to flag my rides so they at least have a lot of work from it. Let them flag, it won't take long that I ride "too fast" again and they again must flag. For a short moment it will be a reminder that the velomobile is the fastest bike on the road.

    Meanwhile it becomes clear to  me that flagged rides' distances do not count in the club rankings. This despite Strava support assuring me that flagging my own rides would not have any consequences other than being left out in the KOM leaderboard rankings. 

    Again I urge Strava to please make an end to this nonsense and make it possible for velomobiles to be filtered. This is the only correct thing to do.

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  • When I recently had contact with the helpdesk, we had a couple of e-mails send back and forth. After pointing at the e-bikes solution they have made and referring to some of the promises they made in several topics, all got quiet...

    I'm not putting any more effort in Strava. I have my rides synced with Garmin Connect automatically and that's all I do since a couple of weeks. So if Strava should come with a solution for velomobiles like they did with e-bikes, I won't probably even notice anymore...

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