Route Builder made more 'modular' by linking together Segments

I asked a question about assembling routes from existing 'segments'... as some beta-test feedback I'd like to suggest that not only should you be able to assemble a route by selecting an linking existing 'segments', but you should also be able to access a library of 'route components' that can be used.

As contest, I'm a mountain biker and I want to create some routes for our local school cycling club - so these can be documented and 'risk assessed'. Mountain bike routes don't follow roads, and may not follow anything visible on the Route Builder (though I am using an Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 overlay which allows me to see most bridleways and fire-roads), so Route creation is manual, and can be time consuming.

In my local area there are many sections of trail, and a fair number of them are 'segments'. What I want to do is to avoid having to plot anything twice. Any route I create will be made up up of climbs/descents/singletrack (pretty much all existing segments) and some linking sections, assembled in different orders to create different routes. What I would hope to do is to create my linking 'components' (I could create these as 'segments' but there are too many segments already) ONCE for each linking component, and then just assemble/reassemble the sub-components ('segments' and whatever these new bits might be) to create my routes.

At the moment I have to plot each route manually, using the segment overlay as a guide. I can then copy and modify these routes, but even this is a slow process as I can't see how to insert new Waypoints within a route I am editing. So the Route Builder functionality looks very promising (and I know it's still beta) but my request is that the architecture is based on a build-route-from-components model and not a draw-and-modify model.

Many thanks.

 

 

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  • This is EXACTLY what I want to see.  My wife and I coach a NICA high school MTB team and we'd like to do this for our regular training routes.  This way our students can track their route times as the progress through the season, set PRs, KOM, etc.  I'd also like the routes to be able to display times, KOM, PR, etc.  I'm not sure if that works.

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  • Well said Fergus, i tried to articulate the same thing but couldn't put it so eloquently. I think most mountain bikers experience the same frustration and while there seems to be a lot of complaints regarding duplicate segments, means to "copy and paste" an existing segment as the base for your custom off road/seemingly unmapable trek would be most welcome. Even if its only for private use. With a feature like this, it would eliminate the need for an expensive bike GPS unit, when you can just refer to the app map you've created to guide you while you record.

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  • I'd like the route builder to follow all trails as well as roads. Runners should be able to use all tracks and trails. On a bike you may want to prevent the use of footpaths. One may have permission to cycle on a footpath, or the designation may have changed to allow cycling, so the option to follow footpaths should still exist

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  • Is this in the works at all?

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  • Any progress on this ?

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  • How is this still not a thing? Come on Strava! Let me follow foot paths.  I can select to have them show up by selecting bike paths/lanes in the builder, but i can't auto follow them. And manually inputting an off road route (especially one that is not very straight) is very time consuming.

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  • Creating routes from segments should definitely be a thing. It's a logical use of segments.

    I'd like to be able to access a list of the segments that I have already ridden and whiz them up into a route that I can choose at the beginning of a ride.

    This would also help avoid the annoying way that random segments seem to appear (when using live segments) as a choice on any particular ride.

    If I have a set training route and only want to see a particular set of segments, a route comprised of these would be ideal.

    Thanks

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  • Any update on this? I would love to see this in the anyway good route builder!

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  • Must admit, it makes perfect sense. It's a feature I have been trying to use.

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  • I couldn't understand why this can't be done yet. Would be great!

    +1

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  • I am a premium member and thought that included two way communication. The topic has been open for almost 2 years, any chance of a response from Strava?

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  • The interesting thing is that I found this page because of an official comment left by a Strava employee on another post a year ago.  We know they have seen this conversation...just not how they feel about it.  I wonder what the minimum number of people for the "care meter" is.  I added a "yes" to the original post in case it helps.  I think it would be value added to the route builder. 

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  • Good to see someone is still interested in this. They might do something? Just cross your fingers.

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  • It's a shame we still don't have this, but I must say that the 'heatmap' overlay in route builder is very useful, and it does appear to support 'snap to heatmap' if the heatmap trail is strong enough. This is very handy and I have been using it a lot recently.

     

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  • My ideal route builder would allow you to:

    1. select the segments you want to base a route on, either from your starred segment list or on the map

    2. select a range of total KMs you want the route to be (say 70KM -+10%)

    3. select the total elevation gain you want the route to have (say 1000m -+10%)

    4. select the maximum incline up hill you will want to be confronted with

    5. select the number of hours you you want to ride

    With mininum input values based on selected segments and the quickest connecting routes between those segments.

     

    Combining these inputs with

    - the map distance, altitude and corresponding incline data

    - the global heatmap with existing trace data containing average speeds from riders your fitness level

    - your riding history / personal fitness level / VO2max / average VAM / whatever

    Strava Route Builder will build you a route according to the specifications set in 1-5

     

    6. If you don't like certain parts of the route that connect your segments you can manually add a waypoint and drag & drop it to another nearby location on the map, snapping to the heatmap

    7. With every change you make you directly see the total distance, elevation gain and est moving time changing.

    8. If the route becomes too long or hard you should be able to remove segments from the route, after which the route will be automatically recalculated

     

    I know the implementation of this will not be easy but it has been done before (see TomTom and Google).

    You have allowed us to record, store and compare our rides and favorite and compete on our segments which has been and still is a lot of fun. But imho one of the best things about a classic riders club is the sharing of great routes, there is no feeling like riding a great new trail for the first time. The technology is now there that we should look beyond the sharing of gpx / pre-existing routes between users, and harvest the community data in the Strava cloud for this instead. Strava is in the unique position in that it has collected so much relevant data recorded by the community over the past years. I think giving the community easy to use tools to unleash this data will greatly help in attracting new and retaining existing paying users.

     

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  • Still no implementation from this post? It would be extremely useful to create a route from a segment at least. As we can create a segment from a workout. Still no official feed back? 

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  • Still nothing from Strava - do they even have a development team?

     

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  • Route builder is worthless really.  I'm reverting to printing a map and drawing on it - i'll duct tape it to my stem and go nuts.

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  • LOL! Because of circumstances I haven't been on the bike for over 1 1/2 years. I come back and there has been no progress? Shocking!

     

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  • Yep, no change there then. You get the feeling that Strava would like this to go away, hence the silence. Oh well.

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  • I also want this feature. PLZ.

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  • And still nothing....

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  • The snap-to-heatmap function is very useful for MTB routes, but after FOUR YEARS I'd have hoped that Strava might have looked at this proposal....

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  • Do they need it to reach a number of "yes" to be paid attention?

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  • I would also like to be able to create a route linking strava mountain bike sections on Cannock Chase.

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  • So it's now 2019 and still nothing on this??? Come on Strava. If you're reviewing it as a part of your development roadmap at least let the users know so we can stop pestering. If you've no interest or development plans to address this, let us know of that too, as it'll allow your users to move on from the topic. 

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  • There's an official Strava comment on this thread redirecting users here... and then no response from Strava on the thread they're directing people to! What???

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  • Why haven't they implemented this yet. The route builder is virtually useless without this for segments that do not follow roads, doing it manually is a huge pain.

    Trailforks has this feature! Use that instead, although there is a huge difference between the segments there and the segments on strava. And it is only useful for mountain bikers.

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  • I would love to see this feature, can build up a good route with segments. The number of comments suggests it should be something that Strava should be striving to do, but doesn't appear to be much action yet :(

    Come on Strava, surely this is a simple one for your programmers to code???

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  • YOOO STRAVA

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