Let users specify whether moving time or elapsed time is relevant to that activity

When runs or rides are uploaded to Strava, time spent stationary or with very little movement is ignored when evaluating the whole average pace of the activity.  So for example, a run last night where I had to stop for 50s to tie some shoe laces ignores those 50s when calculating the average pace.

For running, I think this gives a misleading impression of pace.  I can run 5min/miles for a mile, providing I run for 15s, stop, run for 15s, stop, run for 15s, stop, etc etc etc.  And if I recorded such an activity on Strava, that's what the activity would show.  

I would like to suggest a toggle switch for an activity - "Elapsed time or moving time" - which can be specified on run by run basis so that if I want to see my pace based on total elapsed time, I can; and vice versa.

I strongly suspect that this would be a feature only desireable for runners.

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  • Official comment

    Hello everyone, I can relate to the feedback discussed in this post.

    Although we don't have the resources available right now to invest in this feature request, we know that it's popular within the community. Our product team has the very difficult task of prioritizing the massive number of potential projects, and user input is just one data source that is factored into decisions.

    This proposed project will be considered as soon as resources allow.

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  • I strongly agree with this one. Also Strava regularly displays my total time and elapsed time as different when I don't stop at all. This regularly happens in races for me and therefore displays time incorrectly. Garmin Connect has been much more accurate here.

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  • Completely agreeing!

    For me, there are absolutely NO reason what so ever to use anything else than elapsed time. It's perfectly fine that strava wishes to give us the possibility to record moving time (and if it worked it would be even better) but why on earth is this function not voluntarily????? For me this gives me some trouble since Strava belives that i am not moving a couple of minutes of my run, when truth is I never stopped once during the run.

    Give me the possibility to choose atleast. When running in the terrain moving time is of no interest.

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  • Please make the "moving time" optional. Elapsed time is more accurate - I have no need for paces calculated using moving time.
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  • if you edit run mark it as a race and it recalculates on elapsed time

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  • I fully agree with the proposal here. Moving time is a meaningless metric to me personally and I suspect this is the case for a lot of runners. The suggestion of re-tagging each training run as a 'race' as the solution does not really work as then there would be no differentiation between training runs and races in my training log. Particularly when running (or walking with hands on knees, as is mostly the case!) on steep terrain, strava may be calculating this as non-moving time which is not the case. Even if I do stop to catch my breath on a steep incline, I think it is only fair that this time is included as the breather surely helps my pace in the remainder of the run. Please make it optional to select elapsed time for all activities, not just races. Thanks.
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  • I agree. This would be a nice desired feature!

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  • Recently I moved to a very "hilly" area, where I saw my overall pacing on hills go from 8-10min/mile to something closer to 15-20min/mile! Tons of sections of nearly vertical terrain where running blends in with hiking and sometimes real rock climbing (yikes!). Several of those sections end up with traveling few little distance horizontally, though I might have spent 5min climbing 200feet at nearly 70-80 degrees, and this is assumed to be "resting time".

    Please, add a toggle button that allows one quickly to choose between displaying "elapse time" or "moving time".

    Keep it up!

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  • I strongly agree! Please use the elapsed time !
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  • Hi.  As a MTB rider I'm also more interested in elapsed time.  Please add this feature to an other wise good app.

     

    Thanks

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  • I just completed the World Champion Reebok Spartan run in Tahoe where we ran for 15 miles with obstacles sprinkled in-between.  My official time was 4:50 but my app time was 3:48 due to the side activities.  I need the mobile app to show the elapse time not moving time or give me the option to display.  It gives my team a false sense of accomplishment unless they go to the web site version.

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  • False sense of accomplishment, indeed!

    Not only should it be an option because of personal preference, but the when it comes to hiking and other slower paced activities, there's a very small difference between moving and not moving from a satellite's perspective.  As a result, my published moving times and pace are regularly extremeley embellished.  For example, on a recent 33 mile hike, my moving time was recorded at 9h11m which is a breakneck speed for a hike of that length and caused many of my followers to applaud in awe, and it was somewhat deflating to have to explain over and over that this was actually an inaccurate recording. Strava is otherwise a great app, but it has to present the data in an honest way and tell the real story. Thanks!

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  • I agree with the sentiment and proposal here.

    Also regardless of adding the toggle or not, the default display time should be changed to Elapsed time. (At least for the potentially slow moving activities - run, hike, walk)

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  • I totally agree here and Strava is doing nothing in this regard! Their algorithms are so very bad they make this site useless. There is a "race" tag, but the only thing that does is changing the title of the activity. All stats and comparisons are still using the so called moving time. Please please please, give a way turn off moving time. It's just not working.

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  • Another vote to make moving time optional - if not remove it altogether.  I run obstacle courses and we slow down at obstacles at lot, but that is still part of the race.  I have zero interest in my moving time, it is completely irrelevant.  Setting each run to race is not an option because it only updates the web version not what is shown on the iPhone app so I am forever showing inaccurate, misleading information in Strava.

    I don't understand why Strava can't at least make moving time optional?  If nothing else, it will give them good data to determine how many people actually use moving time versus elapsed so they know where to focus future development efforts :-)

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  • +1

    Here is another thread on this subject: https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/21940674-Feedback-on-Run-Tags-and-Moving-Time-Pace-Calculation

    As I understand most cyclists and road runners prefer it the current way. Some even argue that segment leaderboards should be based on moving time.

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  • Everything is already based on moving time everywhere. Even when setting type to race. It totally stupid. I did two runs not too long ago and the faster run Strava marked as the slower one. Just because they felt like subtracting a bigger random number of minutes. It's totally insane. And I cannot compare y runs or anything as it all based on the totally non-working moving time. Who in their sane mind wants moving time? If I stop, I rest.  That should count. Why wouldn't it? It makes a huge difference.

    Even if I wanted moving time, Strava's faulty algorithm is so bad it renders it useless. If my heart rate for example keeps going up, why would it think I am stopping, just rolling my thumbs? I am working my butt off, and Strava just shaves off these minutes saying they don't count. WTF???

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  • +1 on this. Moving time is of no interest - at leat not to me

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  • +1 for this one. Personally I commute and for me elapsed time (including traffic lights, general traffic etc.) is more relevant as I want to monitor overall cycling time from/to work and other places around the cityy

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  • I strongly agree.

    Especially since the algorithm which determines the "moving time" seems to be a random number generator !

     

     

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  • I agree with the original post in regards to running but would also like to add that a moving time is largely a useless stat for my apline ski activities. This is because lifts count as moving time. I really only care about the time I spent "on the mountain" which I feel elapsed time would show nicely. Its interesting to note that for the purpose of segments Strava only uses elapsed time for the reasons pointed out in the original post.

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  • Strongly agree. Can I make it show elapsed time and not moving time, as I don't believe this is an accurate representation.

     

    Thanks

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  • YES. Please! This is really screwing up my ability to track actual performance. How is this thread a year old with nothing changed? It's SO fundamental to making Strava work properly. I didn't stop at all on my 7-mi run once today and there's a 3-min difference between moving & elapsed. (also worth noting... the verbal cues while running seem to use elapsed time which makes things even more confusing when you log in after and it says you performed way better than you did... quite discouraging, really). Please fix!!!

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  • Strava completely ignores their user base. I don't use Strava as with current limitation of only using moving time, it is completely useless.

    The only thing I can think of is if each and everyone of you start sending individual requests to Strava support to demand that they enable elapsed time.

    Why one would ever want moving time doesn't make any sense to me, but at least support both. All other places I use and tried all have elapsed time by default.

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  • As far as I understand road bicyclists strongly prefer moving time over elapsed time. Strava was originally created for road biking. It appears all other sports including running are second class citizens for Strava and it doesn't have enough flexibility to use different algorithms for different  sports and doesn't care at all to change anything. There are multiple other discussions about this on Strava support site. It applies this ridiculous approach even for hiking and walking so some of my family hikes ended up having something like 12 minute miles while in reality they were probably 30 minute miles.

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  • I would encourage each and every one of you to send individual requests and tickets to strava and ask for this. Or report it as a bug! Strava completely ignores this right now and prob don't read or care about this forum. 

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  • This seems quite funny. Elapsed time is actually there when you select the stop button, so it should be rather easy to retain it. Something like (in pesudo-code):

    if user_selected_elapsed_time:

        time_to_use = elapsed_time

    else:

        time_to_use = calculate_moving_time()

    calculate_stuff(time_to_use)

    ...

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  • Thanks everyone, we hear you. This sounds like a small change on our platform, so even though I don't have any updates now I'll keep everyone informed on the status of this feature improvement. 

    For reference, if you are willing to mark a Strava run as a race, you will see analysis based on total time. 

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  • YES! Moving pace is severely misleading for running! I know no reason to use moving pace at all, please at least give an option to switch.

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  • Here is the response that I received from STRAVA when I shared this thread on the public FB page:

    https://www.facebook.com/StravaRun/posts/10153998904719328?comment_id=10154006574254328&notif_t=like

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