Feedback for the new Group Events feature - Clubs

Today we launched the latest improvement for clubs - Group Events. Clubs can now create and share group rides and runs with club members.

 

Clubs admins can begin to make use of this new feature right away by adding group rides and runs to their club pages. Events can be one-time or recurring, can have a route associated with them, and are easily shared with others on Strava, as well as via Twitter, Facebook, and email.

This is just the beginning - there are many ways that we can expand on the events feature in the future and we’d love to hear your ideas.  If you have questions, comments or feedback, please post them here!

Even though we might not acknowledge every comment, our product team will be checking in on the feedback posted here and responding when we can. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!

9

Comments

126 comments
  • is there any way to get a feed export to all of the upcoming group events we create? we have a intranet community page for our biking group, but by/large I'm trying to do everything in strava--would be great if i could pull that feed in much like the "Club Activities" widget.

     

    thanks!

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • It would be cool to be able to propose a few different routes and then have the members vote on which route they want to do at the next event. 

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • I have added a group event before and it worked fine but now for some reason I just get a pop-up box that stays blank?

    I think it is a fantastic feature and would like to see it enhanced with many of the suggestions above. More than that, would like it to work again!

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Our weekly ride is sent out as an email.  It would be great to have a feed export as Marko B mentions that could be sent along with the system we have now.  If a ride is posted on the Club site, that depends on the audience having to go to the site, which won't happen.   The email could be sent with the link to the site, but then the audience still has to go to the link, and the email is not sufficient onto itself.    The feed export should be available in several different forms.  One could be in a race flyer ,pdf format.   Any bike race will have a one page race flyer, and so having the ride in that format will be familiar, and have a pro look.    Example of race flyer:  http://www.ridepikespeak.com/usa-cycling-race-flyer.html

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • I'm in Australia, so dd/mm/yyyy. I've found that I have to enter the date as dd/mm/yyyy even though that means it has my ride listed as 4th August. It looks wrong, but at least when I do that, it shows up in the group home page as a ride that is upcoming (except it still says 4th August).

    Then, once I edit it, it has changed to 08/05/2014 and not stayed at 08/04/2014.

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • +1 for accept/decline maybe function.... and maybe be able to discuss on the event page.

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Elle that sounds great. Timeline???

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Additionally, I wanted to add some notes about the feedback above on our Strava Routes feature: 

    The ability to "Duplicate" an existing Strava Route, and edit that copy while preserving the original is coming very soon! We're also working on a way to make one of your existing Strava Activities into a Strava Route. This would mean that you can easily select the Route for the Group Events feature from one of your existing activities. 

    @Predrag - a great way to find good roads in places where you are visiting is to use the Strava Heatmap that is part of the Routes builder. Click on the "Gear" icon on the left side and flip the switch for the Heatmap. You'll see all the roads in orange and red where people ride in that area. 

    There is a forum here that suggests the Routes builder accept GPX files for upload as new Routes: https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/29275730-Import-GPX-files-to-Strava-Route-builder

    Any other good Routes feature suggestions can be added as a new Forum here (Search first to make sure it doesn't exist already!): https://strava.zendesk.com/forums/20154338-Strava-Feature-Suggestions

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • @Elle awesome stuff, thanks for help and updating us!

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • @Elle - Still getting the blank screen. have logged it with Strava Support and @Sheila is working on it but cant replicate the problem. It works on MAC but not iPad, or Windows. Have tried different browsers (Safari (both iPad and Windows), Opera, IE11, Firefox and Chrome) with no success. All the other Java scripts work fine, just not this one! Quite perplexed...

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • @Elle, that is really nice.  Elle listens, she...*listens*!

    The est. moving time is a Route mapping feature, but it affects Club Events directly.  In looking at a Club Event, members will be estimating when they will return, as they may have other obligations.  That Strava does this is great because its an objective 3rd Party estimate, and thus avoids reproach if the estimate is optimistic.  

    We have discovered that  Est. Moving Time  does not always account for hills.  I mapped a 6.6 mile, 8.2% grade hill climb, and the Est. Moving Time  was 26 minutes.  A time like that would require Kreuzotter's default 157 lb. man to pump out 561 watts.  So, for this one hill climb it was way off.

    http://www.strava.com/routes/270979

    But when we did a 100 mile route with 10,000 ft. of climbing the est. moving time wasn't nearly so far off.  The est. was 6:39 minutes

     http://app.strava.com/routes/205122

    The actual moving times of 7 hrs to 7 hrs 40 minutes.

    http://app.strava.com/activities/121199001

    I don't know how it can be so far off on a 6.6 mile hill climb, which should be the easiest thing to calculate.

     

     

     

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • William, you may be interested to know how we estimate moving time for routes:

    Your estimated moving time for a Route is calculated by your 4 week average speed. On your profile you'll see your average distance per week, and your average time riding per week based on your last 4 weeks of activities. We take that average and apply it to your estimated moving time. 

    Cool part is that if you share the route, the person will see their own personal estimated moving time based on their stats, not yours. 

    If you typically ride flatter routes, and map out a very hilly route in the route builder, this could cause an underestimate of the time it takes to complete. 

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Thanks, @Elle, it is good to know how these estimates are divined.  I had thought it was a super-sophisticated proprietary Strava algorithm that started with the rider's estimated watts/kg,  analyzed the route for factors such as elevation gain, etc.,  and then crowd-sourced average speeds on various segments to arrive at an estimate so accurate as to be spooky.  Now I know that the algorithm is, uh, er, parsimonious, and multiplies average speed x route miles.  

    This Saturday we are planning an 83 mile 8000 ft/climbing ride (for the Strava Gran Fondo 4), and these estimates are definitely part of the planning.  Know I now that much of the estimated time is based on my flat commute and flat tandem rides, and I can add time to the estimate based on the 8000 ft.of climbing, and thus avoid the reproach of the riders and their families that expected the rider to be back an hour earlier.

    http://www.strava.com/clubs/265/group_events/3215

     

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • elle:

    Your current model is the following:

    time = A × distance

    I recommend the following model:

    time = A × distance + B × climbing - C × descending

    This is 3 parameters instead of 1, but they don't need to be derived without constraint.  For example:

    1. Derive A0 = riding time / riding distance for sample period

    2. extract portion of rides which are "climbs"

    3. calculate riding time / riding distance for this portion

    4. extract portion which are "descents"

    5. calculating riding time / riding distance for this portion.

    Then it's a simple algebraic equation to calculate A, B, and C in the model.

     

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Right on Dan! Nice to have you chime in, although I feel like I'm back in high school math class. The forum that's been started on this topic can be found here: https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/28103400

    Do you mind posting your suggestion there too? I'm sure the existing algorithm is more of a 'first pass' so I think our developers will be interested to review your thoughts. Thanks! And hope you're well. 

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Thanks, Elle!  I'll post the suggestion there.

     

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • @ Elle, if after a Dan post you feel you are only back at math class in *high school*, he is holding back.  The poor souls working  https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/28103400 are going to be having traumatic flashbacks from graduate school. 

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • @Ellie you've been great in this thread but why doesn't your roundup acknowledge that people want to import gpx? Life would be easier if Strava would import these files into Events/Routes...

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Thanks Alexander! In my following comment after the roundup, I reference an existing feature suggestion thread that requests the GPX -> Strava Route capability. Since this feature would impact Group Event creation, it is relevant, but has more to do with our Strava Routes feature than the Events page. 

    Thanks for your feedback! I'm sure this is already on our list to consider for our Routes feature coming up. 

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • @Elle, I’ve a suggestion for enhancing and differentiating Strava Group Events.

    The importance of a route map to a Group Event listing cannot be overemphasized.  Unlike written descriptions and numbers, maps, being visual, engage the viewer, and engagement is the route to participation.

     It follows that route map quality is important.  This is where Strava’s route maps, with their vivid terrain and interactive features are superior.  But still, these maps are directly overhead, which is informative but abstract, as we aren't usually seeing the world directly overhead.

    I've found that an aerial view with perspective supplements the overhead view and makes for a visually rich, intuitive and thus engaging presentation.  Aerial views are easy to render in Google Earth, by importing the route (as .kml), and tilting the perspective.   Press the Save Image  icon, and voilà,  a ,jpg image is saved.  The image is easy to annotate in MS Paint, to explain otherwise confusing route features (e.g. converging or diverging routes).

     I've got a Flickr Album of varied examples:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/vonkaenel/sets/72157636822394393/

    That there are so many is proof of how easily they are done.

     I've found these images quite useful for our Club’s weekly ride, which is a new route almost every week.  I believe that these aerial views facilitate the route variety, as the peloton has a better understanding of what is in store.

     It would, I think, be coding child's play to take the Strava route and automatically generate a Google Earth aerial view .jpg   This might be a ,jpg on the Group Event page around the same size as the standard terrain map, but could be expanded to full screen.

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Thanks William! These arial maps are very cool. Would be a great feature to explore for our Routes feature and Club events. 

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Clubs, and Group Events within Clubs are great, but these features are not configured to encompass what is needed for loosely organized rides with a regular schedule and route (LORRSR).  These are Rides, not Clubs. They are your meet at a bike shop, at an intersection, ride etc, might be a club's intramural team ride, or intermural, with members from sundry clubs.  Often there is often competition, such as sprints, and KOM's.  An example is the Spectrum Ride, which has the same route, same start time every Saturday.  It has its own segment, but no Club.

    http://app.strava.com/segments/831601 

    Another example, in Fresno, there is the venerable Dam King Series, which starts at an intersection at 6:00 AM on Tuesdays and Thursdays in May through August. The invariable route is out-and-back to a KOM on Millerton Road near Friant Dam.  Points have been kept manually for many years, but this ride cries out for Strava to automatically compile the results, and tally the results.

    Here is the overall segment for the ride:

    http://app.strava.com/segments/7129874

    The KOM competition is on Millterton Dam:

    http://app.strava.com/segments/647717

    Either as a new feature with Clubs, or as a near-cousin to Clubs, these LORRSR need a Strava feature.   If LORRSR were set up a Club, the Club Leaderboard would list all the members' many rides, the LORRSR feature needs to be exclusively the LORRSR ride.  The LORRSR could be setup within an existing Club, or its own Club, and the Group Event feature used to regularly schedule the ride with the route, start time listed, etc. However, within a Club the Group Event listing disappears after the ride expires, and there is no listing of the  previous Group Events, no Leaderboard, etc.   So, the Strava pieces are largely already in place, but need to be artfully configured to serve for LORRSR's,  

    A few points:

    • A LORRSR would be defined as a ride starting within a defined time window, start location perimeter. and including its defining Route (or segment).  These fulfill the LORRSR signature, and thus trigger the Event.  
    • Membership within the LORRSR would, like Segments,  be passive, upon triggering the LORRSR signature. but with notification alerting the Athlete to officially join the Feature.  The logo for the LORRSR would then be added to the pantheon on the Athlete's Profile.
    • The LORRSR Leaderboard would include only the participation in the ride.  The Leaderboard table would be organized as Events in rows, with columns for the participants, average participant speed and other indices.  Columns might also include placers in competitions such as sprints, KOM's.  Most important, a column would include a link to the mesmerizing Strava Activity Playback. 
    • The LORRSR would be flexible, and could include regularly scheduled races (e.g LGBRC's Cat's Hill Classic!)  or could make zesty Strava gran fondos out of non-timed (usually annual) organized rides (e.g. the Death Ride). . 

     

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Using the feature for our group but would great if you could invite in a similar way as with Facebook where riders can say that they are either attending/joining, maybe or can't attend. Also to leave comments directly on the ride. I currently use facebook for this as you can't do on strava
    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • I just opened a club on Strava for our club and loads of club members have joined already.  The leaderboard is great and is sure set to spur on the more competive club members!  As the club admin on Strava I'm finding my way arouind to see what I can do.  This morning I set up a group ride for our regular Sunday Morning Cycle and added the route that I had previously created.  It is set to repeat every sunday. I later noticed that this particular group event says that the next ride is on 7 September, instead of this coming sunday (15 June).  I then tried to edit the group event using the "Edit Group Event" button, but nothing happened.  Ditto the "Delete Group Event" button.  Vista/IE9 and also Win7/IE11.  Help please!

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Sorry Gerry! This is a known issue we're currently investigating. We hope to have it fixed soon! 

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Sounds awesome
    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • An "RSVP" feature for Club Events is coming soon! Keep your eyes peeled. 

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Woo hoo.  RSVP was the the subject of the very first posts on this thread.  By having privacy options on the RSVP, and the ability to comment, it would be a back door PM system.  Two birds, one stone. ;-)

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • I'm pretty sure the RSVP feature has now been released! Enjoy.

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Missing features:

    * Ability to see previous group events

    * Meet vs roll time

    * Google Map for start location

    0
    Comment actions Permalink

Please sign in to leave a comment.

Didn't find what you were looking for?

New post