Feedback for Annual Achievement Awards

December 22nd, 2015:

 

As we go into the new year, where annual achievements would reset, we wanted to let you know that annual achievements have been deactivated.

We're grateful for all your feedback over the course of the year, positive and negative, and we will continue to explore and develop other ways to celebrate and incentivize Strava athletes. Thank you for understanding and have a great holiday season. 

 

 

Starting in 2015, annual achievements recognize your accomplishments on running and cycling segments during the current year. 

Full explanation found here: https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/21299622-Achievement-Awards-Glossary

We'd love to hear your feedback on this new feature, so please leave your comments below! 

January 30th, 2015 update:

To summarize what Strava has done so far to address the feedback we've received:
  • As of today, we've disabled annual PR achievements on your activities. Those activities uploaded in the past will see 2015 annual PRs removed in a few weeks once the caches have cleared.
  • A few weeks ago, trophies for 6th-10th place for the 2015 overall leaderboard were disabled. 
  • We fixed how we prioritize significant achievements as highlighted in the Activity Feed, Top Results (Activity page), and Recent Achievements (Profile Page). What was happening initially after the release is that annual achievements were appearing among the 2-3 highlighted achievements in the Activity Feed and in the Top Results section of the Activity page when there were more significant overall results later on in the activity. This was simply due to faulty logic, and we changed the logic to surface the most "significant" achievements instead by prioritizing all-time achievements. 

  • The Annual Achievements that remain are KOM/QOM/CR and trophies for 2nd-5th place.

We are not going to develop an opt-out feature for annual achievements. Despite the overwhelming support for such a setting, we have chosen to take other steps to address your feedback instead, allowing us to work to make this feature better. By turning off a significant number of the annual achievements we hope that the clutter will be improved, and that it will be easier to view the achievements that are most important. As you can read below, we still have a number of projects coming later this year that will also improve the situation regarding too many achievements and visibility into annual leaderboards. Please continue to share your feedback with us here. 

You can find an update to the Strava Blog on Annual Achievements here:
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  • At my age in the Netherlands (the most intensly biked country in the world probabaly)  getting a KOM is nearly impossible. But a PR is still nice and I like the annual PR as it shows you how you are progressing in the season, building up condition etc. The main idea behind Strava is to motivate people to get out so it iwould be a pity if this motivational factor does not return at all in some form.

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  • I think it is a BAD idea to remove the annual KOMs. Early birds who work out in the winter and climb in the cold do not deserve at least some consideration? Please RECONSIDER the policy!

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  • You do realise 50% of the planet is not currently in deepest darkest winter? It's 30+ degrees for for those in Oz right now!

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  • I think it'll be a disadvantage for Strava to remove the annual QOM. Now I can use Endomondo and have a more custom made system
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  • I'd like to see a return of the annual achievements, maybe with a threshold of some kind (active after january, active after segment has been attempted 10% the total attempts of the previous year, etc.) so that people's feeds aren't overrun by them in january.  These annual achievements become meaningful after a significant number of riders have tried their hand at a segment each year, and earning one in the later months can be just as meaningful and yet more attainable than all-time achievements.  I particularly enjoy trying for the annual achievements on segments that have been overrun by summer group rides or pro teams on training camps, and have impossibly fast all-time records that stretch 20 deep.  There are too many segments for me to feasibly examine each annual leaderboard to see where I stack up; I usually count on a trophy popping up on my ride to let me know a segment might be in my reach.  Without the trophies showing up on my rides, the annual leaderboards are essentially useless to me.  Just include an opt out feature for those who don't want to see annual achievements in their ride summaries (still include them in the leaderboards though), and I feel like members on both sides of this issue will be satisfied.

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  • Adding my voice to those who want to keep the annual achievements.  In fact, I would suggest that they not only keep them they should add additional ones for annual Personal Records.   Bottom line is that what makes Strava great for me is the extra motivation to push just that little bit harder when your lungs and legs want to quit.  As we all naturally age, we may never be as good as we were in our younger years and more over trying to reach that elusive PR or KOM that I set 5 years ago is simply not going to happen and  really no longer provides any motivation.  Especially for us cyclists where weather and riding in a group can play a big part of a KOM.  When I am out solo riding, a annual PR or KOM would still provides some motivation to go hard on a known segment just to see if I can best a PR I may have set earlier in the year.   And I think Strava made a big mistake listening to the few people who wanted it gone since those of us who liked it never found a reason to comment previously.

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  • Where are the annual KOM's - For long time riders it's almost impossible to geta personal best and means that incentive via annual KOM's etc is missing. This is so disappointing and why on earth can't this be decided on an individuals settings. It's only software.

    This year I have no awards in January - despite some heroic efforts and being KOM this year on several segments - Strava is becoming irrelevant to me. I can not compete with my local riders on an annual basis - utter nonsense and rubbish.

    Sadly it makes Strava very boring and almost useless to me other than keeping a record of miles done.

     

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  • It's hard to know whether those asking where the annual achievements are joking (poorly) or don't know how to read. 

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  • Serge, don't be a tool.  This stream has many different views and different topics and is not the clearest to decipher.  BTW, I like your idea to have "ribbons" for annual achievements.  That is likely the best solution.  We need a progressive system that means more as you achieve more that affords us an easy way to show and see progress.  If they adopt your system, technically, Strava will also have more flexibility to add a feature to disable/enable different "achievement" classes.  While you can't satisfy everyone, I would advise Strava not to use a blog as it's sole data point for decision making. Yes, I am still missing my annual achievements...

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  • Got my first ever KOM on a popular segment in my area today.  Also had 3 PRs.  Was disappointed to see that achievements such as these don't show up on my feed anymore.  C'mon Strava!

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  • The main argument against yearly KOMs seems to be "these achievements don't boost my ego as much as other achievements, and strava should be designed to boost my ego as efficiently as possible."

    I'd like them to come back, for a lot of the segments out there the leaderboard is fairly saturated and to me it's pretty meaningless to me to know how I rank against people from 3-4 years ago.  Letting you know how you rank relative to the people who are currently riding is a useful stat, especially if you're racing with those people.

    I agree that in the first few weeks of the year the number of notifications can be excessive, maybe some kind of system where the achievements only kick on after a significant number of people have ridden a segment, or once there is a small enough % gap between first and tenth place?

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  • An "annual KOM" is called a PR (personal record) get over it. If Strava is supposed to "boost your ego" do it with the reality and realm based on the real KOM. If STRAVA brings it back, there better be a toggle button to turn it off!

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  • I use Strava for a number of reasons.   I have been using it for many years now and have gotten many others in my bike club to start using it as well.  Bottom line is that the annual achievement is not a PR for many reasons.   First, Strava was clever to have the annual achievement at Jan 1st since most people (in the northern hemisphere) taper training in the fall and pick it up again in the spring.   No that I am in my 50's, I am not going to be as good as my 2011 self.  But my older friends and I have certain courses that we do together and as the year progresses, we will attempt to move the needle on the Annual KOM higher and higher as we gain fitness again, thus providing motivation during the sufferfest to keep on going.   Also, there are some segments where a professional bike race has come through town where the peloton has push the KOM's off the charts.  Not getting top 10 in those anymore, so no motivation there.

    Please reconsider putting the annual achievements back on line.  The few negative voices last year that convinced Strava to remove them are not the majority with the people I know and ride with.   And yes, if it needs a toggle switch for those few who have a hard time telling the difference between an annual KOM and overall KOM and hate seeing a few extra trophies, so be it.  Thank you for your consideration.

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  • I think that I want Annual Achievements back just to drive some people away from Strava...  (That is for you Cactus Jack)

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  • For those who like to see your annual results, you do know that they are still there!!!

    WEBSITE

    1. Go to leader board for any section you have done

    2. Click the tab on the left labeled, "This Year"

    APP:

    1. Click on a segment

    2. Click on "This Year"

    BAM annual results.

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  • Dave: You can use the age filter (paid subscription only I believe) if you want to see how you stand in your age group. I'm older than you and still do not want to see the annual achievement awards no matter how slow I may get as I get older.

    So on January 1st I get to have a KOM for a day, so what?

    A simple toggle on/off button in your preferences would be the easy solution for this and many of STRAVAS "enhancements".

    The biggest issue I have with Strava is they basically force these "enhancements" on you when they could easily put in on/off filters on in your preferences. As a PAYING customer I detest being forced to use something I do not want and I'm paying for it. 

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  • ALSO, as Mark Cassel pointed out THEY ARE STILL THERE, just follow his tip above.

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  • I am sure most everyone in this thread is very aware of the methods that Strava has available to filter the segment data.  And, I for one think Strava has done a good job to enable the users to distill that data in varied ways.   However, I would submit that filtered data does not provide the same motivation as a posted achievement.   If it did, that logic would suggest there is no point in having a KOM achievement at all.  Since all you have to do is look at the leader board.  The achievements are there to reward the user (and display to others who follow that user) for extraordinary effort. 

    Per Strava's web site their mission is to allow people to "connect and compete with each other" and "provide motivation and camaraderie".

    As evidenced by the number of people who use Strava, they have been successful at this.  Virtual competition is good motivation and it is surprising that people will dig that deep for a little digital cup.  

    However, as Strava matures with more and more people joining and covering the same ground, the top 10's are going to get harder and harder. That is a fact.  And the longer you are on Strava the harder it will be to get a PR, that is also a fact.  So with no annual achievements Strava has built in it's own obsolescence and people will get bored with it an leave for a more interesting platform.   This is evidenced by the fact that there is so much segment proliferation.  (With no ability to achieve a existing segment, new ones get created.)  That will keep happening unless a different method to keep people motivated is implemented.

    Having annual achievements was and is a good way for Strava to keep people interested and engaged as both their clientele and legacy segments mature.   And yes a toggle switch to turn them off for people who don't want to see the little gold cups in their feed is just fine too.

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  • Deactivating annual achievements is very disappointing.  This was a feature that I really liked.  

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  • I was very disappointed to find that Strava had stopped the Annual Achievements.

    Getting the motivation to go out in the middle of winter can be hard and the opportunity for a 2015 KOM was a real incentive.  Also, it's the closest most of us got to the trophy cabinet.

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  • I'm disappointed this is no longer a feature, when this first happened in 2015 it made the first few rides of the year a challenge.

    I know it's been removed as a feature but there's still a filter for "this year", so why not allow the 2016 KOM crown to show at the side of the segment?

    Disappointed that it's been deactivated :-(

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  • Was a terrible idea to remove the annual achievements. I will be 55 this year, getting KOMs no big deal but PRs are a requirement. The older I get the less likely I am to beat any of my existing PRs. So I am now paying the yearly subscription for what exactly. You initially forced the idea on users without having the ability to opt in or out. Now you are removing the yearly achievements with out the option to opt in. Basically your mistake was on Dec 2015 not having the opt in option. Right now as my retirement age creeps up on me you have turned starva into a young mans app. So I personally see no reason to continue the yearly subscription. Seems you have alienated a large group of riders which is such a shame.

    Alan

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  • I loved this idea of annual achievements. To keep both sides happy it may only need to be applied to segments with over 500 or so all-time participants and at least a month or so into the year. When it's less, that's when you get bombarded with achievements you feel nothing for. At a certain participant threshold you could also apply overall age-group trophies which is kind of sorely lacking for the oldies.

    The other kind of threshold you could apply is to only give out acheivements whether they be all-time, annual or age-group, when you've reached a minimum of 10 particpants? Even on newly created remote segments, it's getting very rare there's not at least 10 overall people already on it, so it's a different situation to when you first kickstarted strava.

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  • Starting another new year... I really miss annual achievements!

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  • We miss it but they do not care. 

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  • Went on a ride yesterday... Missing those annual achievements.  I had a ride at the end of last month that I really wished annual achievements where turned on.  There should be a way to toggle them on for those of us wanting them. And if you don't like seeing my "annual achievements" on your feed, don't follow me.  I would like to see if I am getting stronger throughout the year...  90% of my riding is done on roads I frequent multiple times, so this can help encourage and motivate me as I am starting the turn on the other side of life.

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  • For me it seems to be a great idea if KOM/QOM has A YEAR of validity time, my justification:

    * Roads in a mountain are continuously changing thus, a KOM made a year ago a had a different road condition than a KOM attempt now.

    * 1 year is equal to 1 natural period (weather, cycling seasons, road conditions, etc.)

     

    Strava could add the following features:

    * A KOM owner could renew, for a year, your KOM every time that has won it. If the KOM was re-owned, it could add a roman numerals to the KOM icon showing the times that the KOM was re-owned.

    *Strava could notify to the owner about KOM about to expire.

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  • Definitely time for something to be done about this....at rolling yearly leaderboard would be really good. King of Friends also. 

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