Feedback for Annual Achievement Awards

December 22nd, 2015:

 

As we go into the new year, where annual achievements would reset, we wanted to let you know that annual achievements have been deactivated.

We're grateful for all your feedback over the course of the year, positive and negative, and we will continue to explore and develop other ways to celebrate and incentivize Strava athletes. Thank you for understanding and have a great holiday season. 

 

 

Starting in 2015, annual achievements recognize your accomplishments on running and cycling segments during the current year. 

Full explanation found here: https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/21299622-Achievement-Awards-Glossary

We'd love to hear your feedback on this new feature, so please leave your comments below! 

January 30th, 2015 update:

To summarize what Strava has done so far to address the feedback we've received:
  • As of today, we've disabled annual PR achievements on your activities. Those activities uploaded in the past will see 2015 annual PRs removed in a few weeks once the caches have cleared.
  • A few weeks ago, trophies for 6th-10th place for the 2015 overall leaderboard were disabled. 
  • We fixed how we prioritize significant achievements as highlighted in the Activity Feed, Top Results (Activity page), and Recent Achievements (Profile Page). What was happening initially after the release is that annual achievements were appearing among the 2-3 highlighted achievements in the Activity Feed and in the Top Results section of the Activity page when there were more significant overall results later on in the activity. This was simply due to faulty logic, and we changed the logic to surface the most "significant" achievements instead by prioritizing all-time achievements. 

  • The Annual Achievements that remain are KOM/QOM/CR and trophies for 2nd-5th place.

We are not going to develop an opt-out feature for annual achievements. Despite the overwhelming support for such a setting, we have chosen to take other steps to address your feedback instead, allowing us to work to make this feature better. By turning off a significant number of the annual achievements we hope that the clutter will be improved, and that it will be easier to view the achievements that are most important. As you can read below, we still have a number of projects coming later this year that will also improve the situation regarding too many achievements and visibility into annual leaderboards. Please continue to share your feedback with us here. 

You can find an update to the Strava Blog on Annual Achievements here:
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  • TURN IT OFF!

    But, if your going to do this yearly KOM thing (stupid if you ask me!) then finish it!
    The leaderboard at the segment level of the ride is showing all time, while the badge icons are showing a KOM?

    In this screenshot, you show me as having the Yearly KOM, but the leaderboard here shows me at 67th?

    This is way to confusing, way too much clutter, it needs to go away - it really serves NO PURPOSE!

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  • @andrew rackley, re: "wanna be's that can't get a real kom"

    I've had my fair share of real KOMs, but getting new ones is very difficult as the leaderboards are completely maxed out and I am completely maxed out, therefore there is little incentive to go faster on a daily basis as my PB is my PB and it's not going to change.

    @ALL

    Perhaps w/e warriors are only interested in their time vs. the full leaderboard, but if you ride on a daily basis (as I do) then having challenges to inspire you on the way to work is fantastic.  The 2015 leaderboard does just this!  This is my first week back in work after Xmas, and instead of taking it easy I am already chasing every sector to get the 2015 KOM...., this is brilliantly incentive and helps me battle the dark/rain/wind and cold.  Yes, these times are way off my PBs, but so what?!  They are powering me back towards my PB!

    Finally, the tone in this forum suggests Strava have got it very wrong with the 2015 leaderboards and should "listen to the users", however, there are tens of thousands of Strava users... and yet only ~60 posts here!  So perhaps the majority like them?!

    Strava - great work on the 2015 leaderboards!

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  • Hi Bryn,

    First, I would say to each his own. There is no right or wrong way to use Strava.

    I would make this suggestion though which I think would work for most people: have a drop down for a 2015 leaderboard. I now completely ignore looking closely at my friends' rides because I consider all these 2015 medals nothing but clutter. Let Strava make them available to those who want to see how they stack up and invisible to those who don't.

    One person on this board who actually supports the 2015 medals once told me after I got a KOM on a very popular short segment (they have to be real short for me to have a chance!), that it meant so much more to see a KOM the longer Strava was around. So why devalue that? I know that I am not going to beat many, many people who are much better cyclists so I judge myself mostly against myself but also to see how close I can get to them. And when I manage a KOM, it means I am improving or not too many people have done it!  ;-)  But it really means something!

    The flaw in the system that Strava had until recently was that when you rode a route that you infrequently ride that you could wrack up 80 medals when all it was really telling you was that you hardly ever ride that route. So it might look impressive from the summary but is really valueless upon closer inspection. I consider the 2015 medals in a similar category. 

    In terms of you not getting PB's anymore, it is quite simple to pull down "My Results" and if you're interested in whether you are improving toward that time see whether your time is about the same as last week or in fact is close to what you did, say, in 2010. In my humble opinion, you don't need a bunch of 2015 medals to know whether you are getting there or not.

    By the way, as to your point about the number of posts, all of my riding buddies think the same thing. And just to clarify, we are not elitists nor are we weekend warriors. We get out there as much as we can given work and family responsibilities and we are constantly trying to improve ourselves. To us, the previous incarnation of Strava mostly worked. This one doesn't.

    Cheers!

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  • This feature is absolutely ridiculous! If people want a KOM or Top Ten, then... HTFU and train harder. Otherwise, be happy with getting a PR! You (Strava) have taken a pretty simple program, and complicated it (ie Softened it up) for complainers. Thanks for contributing to the softening of society, 'Everyone's a Winner!'
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  • Hi

    I find it a little annoying that a friends ride will come up with say 115 cups in the summary panel on the main page, then when you go and look at this "awsome" ride they are all 2015 trophies and achievements on a slow ride. Deceptive and a waste of time.

    Personally I don't see the need for it at all.

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  • I understand how one could see this as a good feature, but I do not think it is. The point of strava is to see how you have done in a given segment against the best of the best. A PR or KOM should mean something, but with the annual achievements you've made them meaningless.  Just a bunch of clutter hiding the true point of Strava.  If someone wants to see how they have done this year they can go to the leaderboard and filter by age, weight, time and other factors. Please don't dilute the meaning of an achievement, otherwise what is the point of strava.

    If you must, make it an optional setting that only that individual user can see, but NOT the default setting for everybody to see. I truly think this is will kill the fun of strava.  I would prefer that you totally disabled the feature.

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  • Strava: You're making me look bad!  Here's why:  I earned two "real all time" KOM's this past Sunday... and a whole slew of YTD cups and YTD KOM's on Tuesday.  Yet what appears on my profile page under "achievements"... you guessed it:  The stupid YTD awards.  The true KOM's are disappeared from achievements and the meaningless YTD awards show... the only remedy is to make the Tuesday ride "private"... that way the "real" KOM's show up again.

     I shouldn't have to go to those lengths!  You need to revise the programming so the ytd things stop trumping the all-time awards.  Either that or make some separate areas that display only the YTD things.  If you insist on showing the clutter, you gotta make it easier for the bulk of us to ignore it.   

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  • I went out today and in 19 miles got 25 of your pointless annual Kom's going far slower than normal in deep mud! Unfortunately on my activity feed these took the prime place on the achievements of my ride section over the pr's which were the real achievements of the day.
    Come on now Strava admit you have f*cked up and put things back to normal.
    The only people that are in favour are those who never get cups, and soon they will not like it because the usual people will set a reasonable time and they will be cup less again. Please listen and sort it out.
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  • Ok Geogia,
    Thanks for the reply ,sort of ,that really didn't answer the question I raised.
    No one and I mean no one I have spoken to in the last week or so sees any point or benefit
    in 2015 KOMs.
    I am a Premium member and there are options available if I want them.
    We did NOT ask for 2015 KOMs so why do we have them cluttering up our Strava info.
    Here in Australia we are ok with recognition of achievement but we don't need a" little
    pat on the head" with a completely meaningless 2015 KOM.
    No, we don't want an opt out option because we don't want it in the first place
    It means nothing so please get rid of it asap or have it as an option for anyone who really feels they need
    whatever it provides.
    Please provide me with a meaningful answer
    Regards Kevin.

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  • The comments here are overwhelmingly negative on this issue. At first I thought it was just me, but everyone I ride with feels the same. Then I saw all this feedback.

    My intention is this: The Strava team has until end of January to remove what is quite obviously a change that the vast majority of members STRONGLY dislike, else I'm cancelling my Premium membership and I'll freeload (or find another site that doesn't mess me around, eg Garmin Connect).

    Strava, you screwed up. Admit it, suck it up, remove this rubbish, and let us get on with our riding.

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  • Please remove or at least give me the chance to opt out of these. They are really painful. Obviously on my first ride of the year I am going to get a PB on every segment i ride, and if its close enough tot the start of the year even a slow ride will get a KOM. I can no longer quickly glance at the segment and see if I am faster as every single one has a medal on it. At a minimum if you are going to do something like this it should be on a rolling 12 month basis rather than a single day reset. I just bought a new MTB and wanted to see if it was faster than the old one, but its really hard to do because of all these damn 2015 awards.

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  • Hello Strava Admin!

    Is there anyone there reading these comments?

    There appears to be a plethora of comments suggesting that you remove a recent feature that is extremely unpopular

    and yet no comment from admin.

    Why is that so please?

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  • **** Sort order on the dashboard summary *****

    The sort order on the summary on the dashboard leaves something to be desired, ie. a second overall should take precedence over a 2015 KOM.  The sort order was a bit dodgy anyway, but thats clearly wrong.

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  • I really really like this feature to be able to be notified and see at a glance when someone takes the year to date best time. My reason is that it provides fresh motivation each year to defend KOM standing (highest on the year) for longstanding segments that the all time KOM may not be broken for years. Once KOMs are set at a high enough level, in favorable conditions that are bound to come up now and again, they become nearly unassailable. Strava was becoming less good as a motivational tool because of this. Increasingly all I care about in Strava is the power curve and the performance figures on the day i.e. comparing myself to other riders that had ridden a segment that day, in those conditions. However I can get that kind of data in other applications, what makes Strava unique is that I get to compete virtually against others.  Wiping the yearly KOM slate clean gives a reason to go out there and fight to make sure that you own both the all time KOM and the year to date one. It provides fresh and much needed motivation to go out and attack segments like you did when segments were new.

    But, I'm starting to see other peoples point now.  We ought to be able to tune what we see in our dashboards, to tell Strava what to display to relating to our own rides and what to display relating to what we see for the rides of the people we follow. For example personally I never want to see PR/2nd/3rd best effort data for segments times. Ever. It doesn't matter to me. On the other hand I would like to be able to add PR/2nd/3rd best POWER (as opposed to time) over for that segment as achievements. PR/2nd/3rd best all time and on the year for various power curve figures are also important to me. Best 5s/10s/15s/30s power ever is an achievement. Best 1,2,5,10,20,30,45,60,120,180,240,300 minute power are achievements. Those are real, meaningful achievements without lucky conditions or strong riding companions factoring in to it.  I also want to know my standing on the day for a segment, etc. I want to be able to tune the dashboard so it shows those things to me as achievements without me having to dig.  And, I do want to see when people I follow have grabbed the year to date KOM, I want to be motivated to go and try to take the year to date KOM back. And I want to get rid of all the PB/2nd/3rd times as achievements from my dashboard.

    So, please do keep the ability to track annual KOMs and to have these be visible/pushed to those like myself that care about them. But also add functionality to allow people to tune what they see as achievements within their rides and dashboards, so that they can get rid of this if they like and also I can get rid of other things like PB/1st/2nd best segment times that are not important to me or add power curve achievements that are important to me. The reason the protests hadn't resonated with me at all before, was that for me the achievement system is are already so polluted as to be useless to me and therefore it didn't matter  if it became more polluted and it was hard for me to see past this to see peoples' point.

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  • Hello everyone - As I posted a few days ago, your comments are still being reviewed and the internal discussion about Annual Achievements is ongoing at Strava! 

    Based on your feedback, we've removed Annual Trophies for places 6th-10th. This means that only overall Annual Achievements in the top-5 will get an award. We hope this is a small step in mitigating some of the feedback about achievement clutter and noise we've received. 

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  • Elle
    That's not enough for me, the 25 annual Kom's I got on yesterday's ride were annoying, your change won't effect this and I will continue to be annoyed when reviewing my ride.
    How about you either lose it all or everything but the fasted annual time (fat) and call it a fat as let's face it the fastest time of the year is not a Kom?
    Stop the half measures strava you have f*cked up!
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  • Elle,

    I agree with Richielongball - I am littered with these stupid awards and can't see how I am doping n my own rides? I understand that you guys have "internal" discussions - but it is VERY clear that you have BONKED on this climb and time to throw in the towel!

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  • Come on Ellle, give us the option to shut off or opt out of this feature!
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  • If you are not going to remove them, at least give those of us that hate them the ability to filter it out. I do not want to see it.

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  • Elle,

    Make the feature 1.  Optional and 2. private.

    Your users do not like it. Period.

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  • We're currently looking into how we prioritize which achievements are highlighted in the Activity Feed, under "Top Results" on the Activity page, and under "Recent Achievements" on the Profile page. Based on the feedback here, I think we could do a much better job surfacing the All-time Overall and All-time PR achievements over the Annual ones. I also think this would help with the clutter and noise issues as it would be easier to see the most important achievements when scanning the Activity Feed and Activity pages. 

    I've seen examples of where "2015 PRs" are highlighted in both the Activity Feed and under Top Results when there are in fact All-Time PRs that exist on the activity. This is an example of how our priority for achievements is not working correctly. 

    Do any of you on this thread have comments on how this works, or preferences on how this should work? 

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  • Elle
    I don't want to see 2015 pr's at all just all time.
    You are not getting it me and most others are not interested in this year, just all time!
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  • Honestly, Just turn them off completely - put everything back the way it was on all pages - including the ride, the segment, my profile, activities (mine and who I am following)!

    THEN (for the Plus Members)

    Leave the This Year option in the Top Ten dropdown - this now give me the "correct" awards for my efforts, gives me the ability to see "just my results" and "my results this year".

    I'm 50 yrs old - 215 pounds and there is no way or reason that I should have a KOM and I am totally fine with that - I ride 3000+ miles a year and I am only interested in my results and those whom I follow - that's it - it's that simple. Strava has been a huge asset to my fitness program, but now its useless

     

     

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  • Yep, turn 'em off completely.  

    Cancelling my premium membership here, and then upgrading my basic TrainingPeaks account up to the next level is looking more and more appealing to me.

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  • Elle, remove yearly achievements. Period.
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  • Oh look. Back from this morning's ride and have these pathetic 'yearly' PRs on just about every segment. WHAT A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME! 

    I have just a couple of personal 2nd/3rd places in there. These are worth knowing about, but guess what's on the 'achievement' list for this ride? Yes, those ridiculous 2015 PRs.

    Please, please, please get rid of this feature or let me opt out.

    FWIW, the ONLY thing I really care about when glancing down the segments list is how far behind my PR I am. Dear Strava, if you want to do something useful, yes, please add a 'percentage behind mark' column where 'mark' can be your own PR, the leader from your followers of the absolute all time KoM.

    Thanks :)

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  • Oh, sorry. I should just mention that I DID PR something today. But have only just noticed! That shows how stupid these other things are.

    How is a PR on a climb I've ridden countless times not shown at the top of my list of awards today? :(

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  • Please get rid of this feature. It's terrible.
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  • 2015 PR's are rubbish. I want my PR's to be an achievement not an embarrassment.
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  • > Elle Anderson: We anticipated that at the beginning of the year this new feature would be noisy and award many Strava athletes with yearly achievements

    If you anticipated it, why did you let it happen? Of course it will settle down over the year, but it's going to happen all over again on Jan 1 next year! As others have said, nothing should be awarded until at least the top ten has filled out. I also vote for the the rolling 12 months award period, rather than the completely arbitrary calendar year, if it must exist at atll. The reason I say it is arbitrary is because one persons "season" is not the same as another persons. The most obvious example here being that the first of Jan might be freezing and snow-bound in the northen hemisphere, but in the southern hemisphere, it is smack bang in the middle of the riding season.

    Personally, I don't need fake trophies to motivate me. I care only about PRs. I do however take the point made by several people that PRs can be sometimes made impossible to achieve. Some examples given were a degraded MTB track over time; coming back from major injury; or simply getting 10 years older. To be useful in these instances a "periodized PR" would need to be configurable by the athlete. For example, "Season 14/15", "Post broken-hip comeback", or "Since starting race training". Other training software has this sort of customisation. I suppose "serious" athletes mostly don't rely on Strava for training purposes, but the more features Strava adds that allows in-depth analysis of past data, the closer it becomes to a viable alternative.

    Other supporters of this feature speak about "impossible" leaderboards that they can never crack, and so are glad to have "reset" leaderboards on which they stand a chance. This to me is ridiculous. There is always someone faster than you, and if you have a KOM, it is only because they haven't yet come through your town. But there is one important feature that having a KOM uniquely grants you, and that is a notification when you lose it. Some talk about these notiications as motivating them to "defend" their KOM. I understand this way of thinking, but again, it only works for the very few who are the best in their town. So clearly what is needed is the ability to track your position over time, and put a "watch" on that position. If you are fighting for a top 20 position on a hill, it is very useful to know how you stand over time. And it would be very useful to be notified if, for example, you slide back from 18th to 19th.

    I do sympathise with the Strava product management team. The product is getting used by so many people now that every change will be disliked by many. And they need to constantly balance the need to keep the UI simple and accessible for the casual and new users, while providing more and more tools that are demanded by the power users. But I guess I implore them to NOT be Apple, where it's "my way or the highway". Sure keep it superficially simple, but give power users the customisations they desire.

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