Live Speed, Cadence & HR should always be available during Live Segments

I have suspended my Premium membership until I can see my core data at all times again.

Whilst I can appreciate the engineering behind Live Segments it's frankly ridiculous to not be able to see how fast I'm going or what my cadence is when I have a gigantic, hi-res display wirelessly connected to a speed and cadence sensor. (I don't have a HR monitor, but I presume this would also apply to HR data.)

Dedicating an entire iPhone 6 screen to a couple of moving dots is frankly bizarre. But it would only be quirky, rather than a deal breaker, if there was an option to:

  1. Dismiss the Live Segment, or
  2. Return to the default screen, or
  3. Personalise the screen setup in settings to concurrently display both Live Segments and real time data.

And whilst my frustration would apply no matter how good Live Segments eventually become, it's even greater once one realises that the KOM dots don't display the 'real' position of the previous rides, but are simply approximated by assuming a constant speed over a segment. That fudge might be close enough on flat segments, but it's just hilariously useless on segments in hilly terrain, when you can coast downhill but apparently be improving your relative position. I have no doubt Live Segments will get better over time, but to remove core data from the display is just dumb.

More generally I was also left scratching my head when I discovered that by becoming a Premium member I lost my average speed display. This is fundamental stuff that I could see on my old, wired, tiny bike computer 20+ years ago. I love minimalist design, but there's ample room on a modern smartphone to display time, current speed, average speed, current cadence and current heart rate all the time.

It's great that Strava offers ways of looking at data we'd never imagined years ago, but why is it at the expense of the fundamentals?

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    Hi Michael, 

    Your feedback is much appreciated, and I can understand where you're coming from. There is no doubt that a fully customizable experience with the data fields on the record screen would be ideal. 

    First off, you can dismiss the Live Segment display at any time by tapping the map icon that looks like a drop pin. Or disable the Live Segments. In the future, we hope to consider the split screen option that you mention. 

    It's true that with the Premium Live Stats record screen, averages are no longer available. You can view your average speed if you pause the recording. 

    Hope that helps. 

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  • Is there a way to display live data (heart rate, cadence, speed, power, etc.)?

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  • Ken,

    Live data is - at least in theory - part of the Premium offer.

    Free users see averages, whilst Premium users see live data.

    Fair enough - Strava needs to make money. But because my app no longer consistently shows live speed and cadence data – obscured instead by a nest-to-useless completely artificial simulation of how you were tracking against the KOM and your previous best time – I've stopped paying for a Premium membership.

    Note also that when I was a Premium user I was further frustrated, because I could no longer see data that I could see as a free user! Average speed (and cadence) disappeared. I remember being excited 20 years ago when cycle computers could show average speed. Today I have a incredibly powerful computer with a massive screen strapped to my handlebars and I can't see that info!

    It's madness to me that Strava don't offer a way for their Premium users with an iPhone to configure the screen. All that screen real estate and processing power, and yet no way of configuring what data it displays. Compared to some of the stuff that Strava already do it seems to me like a pretty trivial function to add.

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  • I purchased the premium service specifically so I could monitor my heart rate while riding on my iPhone.  What I am reading here is that this is not possible even though the image on the premium site shows a display with HR on the screen.  Without that capability I will cancel my premium app.

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  • Yes. Please implement a lock on speed and cadence. I rely on cadence in a bunch ride, live segments are no use in a bunch, when my cadence drops I get dropped (like today!). Very frustrating to start a ride on speed and cadence and have the screen change during the ride. Its dangerous to try to press buttons in a bunch to get back to the speed and cadence screen. I this doesnt change I will go back to running speed/cadence from an alternate app, running both strava and the alternate app. Would be nice to only rely on Strava. 

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  • Hi Elle,

    Thanks for replying. I realised only recently that on my (non-premium) screen I could return to speed, cadence etc by 'deselecting' the map icon.

    In my defence it's not at all obvious that it is a 'togglable' icon. The circular drop pin is an icon that has seen widespread adoption in a pretty short amount of time (replacing the inappropriate 'rifle target') but I can't remember seeing it used in any other context as a toggle state indicator. The standard action associated with tapping that icon is update my current position. It's quite unintuitive that pressing an orange 'drop pin' will take you to a screen of numbers.

    I'd suggest your designers should explore other options (either a more explicit toggle slider as seen regularly through the Apple UI, or perhaps an icon which represents the numerical data screen, or perhaps return to the sliding screens left and right concept)

    I apologise if that's also the case with the premium screen, and I have been providing false information in my earlier posts. Obviously right now I can't see the premium live segment screen, so I can't be sure that the map icon is not visible (although if my memory serves there was no map on the premium screen - at least when I first wrote this post - so that icon would look odd in that context).

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  • I'm really sorry about the confusing interface Michael! Here are some screen captures to jog your memory. See lower right corner: 

    https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/218377367-Live-Segments-iOS-and-Android-

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  • My first experience of using Live Segments today and I completely agree.  Cadence, Heart Rate, Speed and Power should be available on the screen (or some combination of them): They're all funadamental measures.

    Even my garmin etrex-30x allows me to choose four data fields to display, and that's not even a dedicated cycling unit!

    Don't get me wrong, I really like Live Segments, and would love to keep using them, but absolutely need the figures above.

    Plus, sometimes taking your hands of the bars to toggle between screens just isn't an option!

    PS I'm using Andriod App

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  • Hi Elle,

    Thanks for replying again.

    As someone with a keen interest in UI I stand by my original comments. It would be nice if everybody read the manual, but that's not how most people use apps (especially because updates bring new features in dribs and drabs).

    I think the Strava front-end designers should revisit this interface. That icon has a well recognised function in modern web design. It means update my location. I'm not aware of any other context where it is used as a toggle. It does not look like a toggle. There must be a better way…

    (Also, if memory serves me correctly – and it may not – I think there is also a 'Hide' label shown in the top right of at least some of these screens at some time??? I seem to recall thinking tapping that would return me to the standard data screen, and being surprised when that wasn't the case)

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  • Any info on if or when heart rate and cadence will be possible to view while in a live segment? A much needed feature!

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  • Are ya'll making plans to add current heart rate and current speed to the screen? I'm a programmer and it doesn't seem like it would be difficult task.

     

    Also, and this is a wish, there are a few segments I'm trying to earn "King" status. I'd love to see a live indicator as to how far behind I am from the leader and/or my previous best time for that segment. That would be sooooo cool. I'm thinking a map with a few dots and off to the side a plus/minus indicator in seconds!! Please!!

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  • Elle, going back to your comment above, it simply can't be that difficult to add average speed in to the premium record screen given that you have the capability built in for the non-premium screens.  Obvious fully customisable screens would be great but failing that, average speed can surely be added easily.

    I'm afraid this is a deal breaker to me, I'd rather go back to non-premium and not see my effort ratings than give up average speed (especially as there should be no need to!)

    Thanks

    Charlie

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  • Hmm, I was thinking about making the switch from runkeeper (free) to Strava. But in Strava I was missing the 'current speed' in the non-premium and was frustrated about the live segments that took away the avg speed.I hate to press that silly drop pin button every time.  

    I thought: "Oh, when u subscribe I can also see my current speed...", but after reading this topic (about loosing avg speed and no further customization) I will continue using Runkeeper.

    Please fix this, then I can reconsider.

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  • I am new to Strava and cant help but feell that it is in many ways an inferior offering to many other free apps.

    1 - I agree, cant see current speed - really, come on this 101...!!!

     

    :-(

     

    John

     

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  • I am also leaving premium option. I miss the real time monitors too.

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  • Thanks everyone for this feedback.  I was considering upgrading to Premium because I assumed (wrongly) that doing so would give me a fully customizable screen, with current speed, HR etc.  Lucky I checked this thread (the summary of Premium features was not helpful).  I'll now be deferring that step until this feature is added (and probably looking for another app that supplies this).

    Ted 

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  • Map my ride allows you to customize the data fields.

     

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  • As Strava is stubborn, I bought a Wahoo Elemnt Bolt. Fully customizable. Nice extra: battery life of the smartphone increases :) For me, Strava is now only a sharing & social app. In no circumstances a tracking app.

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  • I'm the same. I bought an Elemnt Bolt about six months ago and couldn't be happier. And, like you, I still use Strava as a sharing and social app.

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  • Just to echo the comments, the current situation and screen layout is very frustrating, in particular on longer segments.

    Surely, a portion of the every bigger smart phone screens should be given up to cadence, heart rate and power.  You are not normally n a position to want to start tapping the phone to change views!

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  • Wow ! Two years later and still nothing was done to have the basic option of displaying the map AND data (speed, cadence, hr) on the same screen ?
    That's a joke.

    I installed Strava to test it. I was so convinced that this basic display option would be there that I blamed myself for not being able to figure out how to enable it.

    I'm out. You lost a potential premium user.

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  • I like Strava very mutch. But the display during rides is garbage. Runtastic works way better and is also free..

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