Segment Leaderboards

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  • Hello Bengt Lowander please note that virtual activity data can be adversely affected by the rider’s defined weight, as well as other factors within the virtual space that lie out of our control. Please submit a support ticket if you have any other specific questions

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  • Sorry if I'm being stupid but . . . the format of group leaderboards seems to have changed.

    It used to show total distance, longest single distance, average speed, and total vertical ascent, all of which I found interesting.

    It now seems to have changed to just show total ride time, total swim time, total run time etc, no mention of distance, speed, or ascent.

    Is this just a setting that I've selected by accident ? If yes, how do I reverse it ? I've looked but can't find it. If it's not something that I can re-configure, please can we have the old style back ?

    Thank you . . .

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  • I'm not sure if this is the correct place to put this but here goes; Can we please merge the Segments for biking and E-biking? I'm not suggesting merging the leaderboards because obviously that wouldnt be fair, what I mean is that the segments are still the same. I have a regular pedal bike and an E-bike and it's a pain in the butt having to create new segments for all of the existing segments that have already been created on the biking part of Strava. I would like to be able to compare my efforts between the two sports and against my friends regardless of whether I am on an E-bike or bike. Surely it wouldnt be hard to just copy-paste or merge the two databases of segments? Again, I'm not saying we should merge the leaderboards, but the two sports shouldn't be so separated. On the descents there isnt much difference between a bike or E-bike and it would be cool to see the two leaderboards side by side. It feels like segregation between those who ride bikes and those who ride E-bikes. 

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  • Please don’t segregate Ebikes from regular bikes. I understand that the leaderboards need to be separate but the segments themselves should be the same. I’ve been biking for years and making segments or using existing segments in Strava but now I have an ebike and all of the segments I have created and the wealth of other existing segments are gone. The ebike side of Strava is incredibly bare. Almost every time I go for a ride I have to create new segments. This is ridiculous. Ebikes are not an all new sport they are just a variation of bikes and should have the same segments. I think it would also be useful for the leaderboards to be somewhat integrated such as having “All Time”, “All Time Ebike” so you can compare times side by side. I can’t even see my friends times to compare with my own. This needs to be fixed ASAP. It’s really destroying my interest in Strava if I can’t compare with my friends or even compare with my own times on a regular bike (I still own both) on a segment.

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  • Jason Lamoreaux I would think maybe a button you could click that says snow vs dirt maybe. Anything would be nice instead of having the top 50 riders being riders in the snow on our local trails.

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  • It would be a very good addition if we could filter the winter month from the summer. Since fatbike is a completely different sport, the downhill sections are most of the time faster than in summer and vice-versa for the climb. It creates some bizarre leaderboard were all the fastest time are in winter. The exact opposite is also true for the climbs...

     

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  • Hi community, as many people said already i would love to see a MTB category; personally, in the area where i live there is a lot of off-road and tarmac routes, which make me prefer the MTB, but, compared to all road cycle bikers, my effort is (obviously) different, and i'm usually very slow compared to them.

    What i ask is to finally see a MTB category, so i can compare my tarmac performance with all people on the same boat of me.

    Thank you in advance!

    Diego

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  • Erik Bakke the segment you shared is a virtual segment from a virtual ride. Virtual activity should not be flagged if it is correctly identified as a virtual activity. Here is more information about flagging Virtual Trainer Activities: https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919587-Virtual-Trainer-Activities-on-Strava#flagging

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  • Troy - mark your old rides as private is one way.

     

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  • It can indeed be frustrating if you are trying to make the top ten on a leaderboard.  While I'm not sure anything can be done about groups or e-bikes, I personally don't think that it's too much to ask the Strava algorithm to do better at eliminating bogus results.  One example:  the top fifty for one segment that I ride is coming out of a parking lot where people obviously forgot to turn off Strava at the end of their ride.  Those top fifty speeds are more than or equal to what a pro peloton could do in the last km of a stage sprint finish.  It would be easy for an algorithm to eliminate all of these, especially if there was a way to report the problem to Strava.  Who has the time to flag fifty bogus segments?  Finally, given all the problems with bad data, I've settled on competing with myself as the best use of marked segments.  I got a #2 overall trophy this weekend, but I was in a group with a strong tailwind.  You're never going to eliminate this kind of thing, other than saying, e.g., that 40 mph is unreasonable on a flat segment, while 30 mph is not.

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  • SOLO FILTER

     I would like to request a Leaderboard filter in the same manner as “People I’m Following” is implemented except with segment times for Solo rides only instead.  In other words, if I select “Solo Riders,” if filters out all times set during group rides.  This allows a comparison of segment times without the benefit of drafting.  This should be achievable by filtering out times that are set on the same date within a set time window.  So if there is a group ride with 10 riders, and these 10 riders are together when setting a segment time on x date within y time, they are excluded from the Leaderboard list when this filter is selected.  I’m not asking to replace KOM holders, only asking to see times under comparable non-drafting conditions.  This is a benefit to many riders who train/ride solo.  Thank you for providing a forum to submit ideas!

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  • Hi, I'm just asking for one thing. The most popular segment in my city - Road To Tskaltubo - does not show up on the map. If you could somehow put in on the map, that would be great.

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  • I really believe that tagging your gear as an e-bike would solve most of the problems.

    @Jason Lamoreaux oh, thanks, didn’t even notice the ebike option :D

    I don’t use Garmin and my device doesn’t have an ebike option. The device posts my activities automatically so I don’t manually check my every ride later and start edit them.

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  • Cesar Corral 🇪🇸, John Moreci 🇺🇸, - Your comments about the forum layout would probably be better fit into the "Forum Feedback" section.  this section is focused on comments regarding Segment Leaderboards.  I agree that the format isn't all that great, but there is a place specifically set up to bring those issues up.

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  • The creator of a segment needs a way to select the GPS accuracy needed to register as having run that segment, especially crossing the start and end points, and following the segment's course and direction accurately. This will allow for useful segment creation in areas such as laps of lakes or ovals where currently one side of the loop registers as the reverse direction of the other side. The accuracy setting might be for example: "low" (ie. the current setting), "medium" (within 10m of start/finish, and no more than 10m variation from any point of the segment, "high" (5m variation), and of course direction of travel always applies

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  • I think it would be a good idea to have private leaderboards where the admin can invite certain users to compete in the private segment. This would be handy for creating segments which you do not want the entirety of Strava to see or to limit the amount of people in the leader board. 

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  • Wes Morgan I'm just saying if people can ride in group rides and get a kom or use a tt bike or other aero bike why cant i use my velomobile? Its essentially an aero bike. Its still under my own power not like im assisted. Also your whole if you dont like it then get one attitude is kinda my point. If you dont like that i can beat a segment on a velomobile then get one. And the whole weight thing strava asks for your bike weight already whether or not ur honest about it is a different story. But my point there was you can expect somebody on a 25lb bike to beat somebody on a climb using a 13lb bike for the same wattage unless of course the rider weight made them equal which strava also asks for and tracks as well as you height. So strava would know if somebody was below their height weight standards. This all depends on the honor system for the individual to put in the correct info. But as far as "conventional" bikes. Thats not a definition of what they consider conventional. Conventional is an opinion. If a rider has only used recumbents, thats a conventional bike to them, of a rider has only used velomobiles then a velomobile is a conventional bike to them, just like how you ride a diamond frame bike and that may be a conventional bike to you. But my point is strava discriminating against handicapped persons as well by excluding them from leaderboards with handicycles, recumbents and velomobiles. These bikes are adaptive meaning they can be configured to make somebody with physical disibilities more comfortable to ride. Which is also an ada issue when it comes to stores denying them entry into their stores ecause its a bicycle, but its not just a bicycle its a way for disabled people to ride again. Which honestly imo if its considered a bike by law that is 100% under your own individual power (unassisted) regardless of it's design it should be allowed on the leaderboards. I would like to see strava either relax the policy or make it more restrictive so that group riders, tt bikes, racers cant qualify for the segments or mileage either. But i dont think you uderstand what happens wen u put a ride in as a velomobile on strava. You know the monthly strava distance, climbing, etc cycling challenges they put out? Well a velomobile ride counts as 0 miles towards any of that. Heck even ebike rides count towards that. But a velomobile means nothing. To strava its not even a bike. Not to mention if you have a recumbent ive been riding my recumbent for the past year and had no idea recumbents were in a restricted category and it never mattered to anybody. Now that i have a velomobile which is just a faired recumbent trike now everybody wants to have an issue because its different and its faster than them. Well guess what i made segments and hold koms with my road bike that i still cant beat with my velomobile. And others still hold koms on routes that i cant beat with my velomobile or road bike. But i have been doing a lot of training over the past year all thru the winter as well to be faster and ride further in preparation for me to one day compete in the tabr and raam races. All the bikes i use can be used in those races.

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  • I am amazed by the number of people worried by rankings of a sport activity not supervised by a referee. There are cheaters everywhere... why should we care about the rankings?

    The only ranking I found interesting is where I can select who make part of it. People I know/trust.

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  • I think it's a pity that there is no indication of the age in the ranking of the segments. When you are 40/50/60 years old and you manage to appear in the top 25, I think it is an achievement and deserves to be highlighted. There should be an additional field for age in the ranking line. Also, in the segment presentation, the best times and names by age category should be shown.

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  • Segments Leaderboard to factor in the type of bicycle we are using..

    I only ride an MTB and while commuting I mostly use tarmac roads. The downside of this is that I am nowhere on the leaderboards because they're all TT bike times. It's important to me that I can thoroughly understand my fitness compared with other riders on MTB and not road bikes or TT bikes.

    Furthermore, certain singletracks I ride are only metres from the roads and it is impossible for an MTB to achieve KOM/QOM on these segments because of road bikes.

    Please add the type of bike to the leaderboard so we can more fairly reach achievements.

    Thanks!

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  • Erik Bakke

    As I have tried to make clear, I am totally in agreement that KOMs should be hard to earn. The current system is fine. For now.

    However Richard has a valid point, some segments are already out of reach because a pro level group has gone through. An individual cyclist, no matter how good they are, cannot compete on a level playing field. This segment is now effectively dead.

    Eventually this will happen to all reasonable routes. Eventually the segment leaderboards feature will become entirely pointless. Every reasonable segment will become static and unchanging. When this happens Strava's biggest selling point is gone.

    The only thing up for debate, is what kind of time period we are talking about. If it's a thousand years, who cares, right? But Strava is growing exponentially, a third of data was uploaded just in the last year. As you said earlier, currently this only affects a small number of segments, but that can only increase and it will increase a lot faster than most people think.

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  • Erik Bakke

    Absolutely, but what I am concerned about is (and the example that Richard gave) when a large group goes through. In this scenario you can't even touch the 10th trophy, you can't even get on the first page.

    I've made this exact point several times. Having a single pro go by and take the odd KOM isn't a problem, in fact it's kind of cool seeing your name next to his. Wiping out any chance of even getting a trophy is another matter.

    As you say, there are keen cyclists who can't chase down a pro peloton, but they are still achievers. All I am suggesting is that Strava recognise these genuine achievements.

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  • I think that the constant e-bike issues could be solved in two steps. At least most of them...

    1) in My gear e-bike should be a bike Type

    2) exclude e-bikes from the normal KOM and what have you statistics and maybe have their own KOM stats.

    I sometimes ride my e-bike and I must admit that I am way too lazy to login to Strava after every e-bike ride and go through the hassle of editing the settings so that the ride wouldn't be visible in the stats. The easiest solution is to have the bike categorized as an e-bike and you don't need to go and check your privacy settings after every ride.

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  • LEADERBOARDS SEGREGATED/FILTERED FOR INDIVIDUAL or GROUP EFFORTS

    Users have long begged for this possibility.
    As everyone knows, leaderboards are one of the most differential features of Strava and also certainly the most motivating possibility it offers.

    It is really frustrating that a solo rider has no choice when appearing on the same leaderboard as riders who qualify riding in a group with the benefit of the relay draft.
    Of course the problem is even greater when the group cyclists are professional pelotons in a race.

    Strava has the ability to detect group activities and can implement this segmentation on leaderboards.
    Furthermore, users could flag activities that may have been done in a group and the system would not have detected them as that.

    This is VERY important to find motivation riding alone, specially in this moment with the COVID-19 situation around the world.
    Proper leaderboards sure will make people want to pay per subscription.

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  • Jason Lamoreaux

    I understand what you say.

    But maybe Strava programmers can detect the "all time" group rides (at least the most evident) easily, just as we can do it.

    When you see various riders in a leaderboard at the same date with the same (or very close) time for a segment, is easy to know they were a group, even when they have enabled the feature "privacy for group rides" in their activities.

    Well, professional unfair cheaters (I know some of them), can do group reliefs and only one rider keep public the activity (te "team leader") and the other riders (gregarious in the "team") do it private... ridiculous but they even do this.

    But, at least, professional pelotons of races would be filtered...

    It's not fair groups are in the same leaderboard with solo efforts.
    It's a major cause o disappointment when people looking for challenges in solo rides that can be quite boring.
    Challenges, is just a main motivation for paying for Strava segments.

    But, if Strava knows this (for sure) and do nothing is because there are more people enjoying the fact of achieve top 10 or KOMs with the help of group reliefs with drag benefit.

     

     

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  • Alex Stewart as an eBike rider, I have zero reason to use any category other than "ride". If I use "eBike Ride" I get a dramatic functionality drop (no heatmap, no segment search, no live segments, no Google Fit, and more).

    I would say that eBikes issue is 90% a (lack of) functionality problem and 10% intentional cheating .

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  • Francois G & Andy Sonneland:

    an easy way to remove an unwanted KOM is to edit your activity by either cropping it or by splitting it into 2 activities - thus keeping your other achievements while removing the one with an error.

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  • Please add a segment leaderboard for single speed bicycles.

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  • Strava can detect group efforts already:

    • You rode with a group, an algorithm already working
    • Matching segments in a ride at the same time, which also works in the flyby-function.

    Another (new) method like matching your statistics (HR, speed, wattage and wind/weather data) on a specific segment to other attempts could also be done, but it can be done much easier: just create a toggle.

    If Strava detects a group, the toggle is on and cannot be unset. In all other cases the user can set the toggle, that's all. It won't work 100% but it 'will do' and give users some form of control.

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  • Can I suggest that e-bikes are split into different categories depending on the level of assist they get i.e. Class 1, 2, or 3? There are many e-bikes classified as Class 3 speed pedelec bikes which receive e-assist is up to 28 mph, whereas the regular Class 1 e-bike assist is typically up to 25kph (15.5 mph). As a Class 1 e-bike rider I can't get close to e-bike segment KOM's because they are dominated by the Class 3 e-bike riders yet clearly the playing field is not level by virtue of the equipment employed. A recent example is a segment called Up Stunt, which is 6.39Km long, 405 vertical meters, 6.3% gradient. As a Class 1 rider I posted a PB of 19.23 mins at an average speed of 19.8kph making me 8th overall in the e-bike category, however the KOM is held by a Class 3 rider that posted  12.20 mins at an average speed of 31.1kph on a Stromer ST-2. Clearly no competition! Not all of the riders state the equipment they use, but is should be pretty easy for Strava to detect such huge gaps and question accordingly. Perhaps Strava should require all e-bike subscribers to disclose their equipment, so we have some resemblance of a slightly more level playing field?  Examples of Class 3 equipment include the Stromer ST2, Trek XM700+, Giant Road E-Pro, Trek Super Commuter to name a few. 

    I am a 'regular' cyclist as well, and often switch my equipment depending on how I feel and how much time I have available for a ride, but the fact is that e-bikes are here to stay and will no doubt continue to grow in popularity so having clear boundaries so as to maintain the integrity of Strava and its subscribers should be a core principle.

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