Segment Leaderboards

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  • UI/UX Suggestion:

    When browsing segment results for a very popular segment, anything on Zwift for example, there can be 10,000+ pages of results but the browse tabs at the bottom are numbered:

    1   2   3   5004   5005   5006   10000   10001   10002   -> (forward one page arrow)

    I don't see an obvious way to get to my result in the list but that's not my main point.

    If I want to see data for someone doing the route, say 5 minutes faster than me, I may have to click 5000 times to get through a 10,000 page result. Meanwhile I will have the option to go back to page 1, 2, 3, 10001, 10002, 10003 with a single click. How about replacing "2", "3", "10002", "10003" with "+10", "+100", etc.?

    Thanks!

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  • Why are cani-sports still not included? As a sporting community we have been asking for separate categories for ages, but still no movement, even though other assisted categories such as E-bikes have in the meantime been included. To the extent that this week one of our top female athletes was threatened with her account being removed because she had forgotten to mark one of her runs as assisted and Strava were fed up with having to remove segments flagged by other runners. As a community we are just as fed up not being recognised as regular runners are of canicrossers gaining segment records. Come on Strava what is your problem with cani-sports?

     

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  • @Andrew Paterson

    This thread has many many obvious modifications to Strava that benefit large swaths of the user community, and they don't even do those.

    So the answer to your question might be apathy, or it might be the same as why a restaurant choses to serve the food they want, not the food you want.  It's a private business under no obligation to do other than what they like, as long as it's within the law.

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  • ^ or perhaps they think it is not worth cluttering up the app's UI with something that only a few people would want or use ? 

    running with your dog? ...real high priority for it's own activity...NOT !

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  • Randy Hermann You can add &page=99 or other numbers to the url to jump directly to a page. Example:

    https://www.strava.com/segments/1432325?filter=overall&page=123

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  • Just because it isn't a sport you take part in doesn't mean it isn't popular. Last year participation alone quadrupled in the UK, and events for competitive canicross all over the UK every week.

    It's hardly going to clutter up the API adding another line to the dropdown list along with things like Virtual Run, Virtual Cycle, Yoga, Kitesurfing (what grown people flying kites, how many people do that? btw being factious for the sake if it).

    The issue our sport has is that runners are all to eager to go to Strava when we break segment records - so our sporting achievements are obviously upsetting people like eBikes were upsetting regular cyclists.

    Also Strava are now threatening users with removal from the platform because too many segments are now being broken by canicrossers and causing Strava a headache. So all we are asking is instead of removing us, include us so we can take part properly.

    Of course they have every right as a business to say go away, but that would be a shame.

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  • Wait what on earth are cani-sports? Is this an actual feature request or just trolling? There’s no way anyone, let alone a community, is actually asking for a separate canine assisted only leaderboard on strava.

    Also good point Erik there are many painfully obvious UI updates within this forum that are or should be easily implemented. I feel either a new approach is needed or there needs to be better visibility and transparency towards the users that care enough to voice their opinion here. Hell open up your API to a select few and they’ll gladly do the work for you.

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  • Why is it because it is a sport you do not take part in it is considered trolling? If you do not know what canicross is then just do a search and try and educate yourself.

    As a community there are many groups that take part, but not represented properly, and all we are asking for is some way that Strava recognises an activity type so it doesn't annoy other runners. At parkrun, for example, canicrossers were breaking course records all over the place, and now assisted runs can be marked as so.

    Ben Robinson, a UK canicrosser, holds the world 5k record in a time of 12:24 over cross-country, you can read about his achievements in a wide range of press such as Runners World and even breaking out into non-sporting magazines like GQ.

    The UK governing body, BSSF, has been lobbying Strava for a few years to get cani-sport recognised - yes we do actually have a governing body. UK athletes go to to Europe and the USA to compete in championships.

    So if assisted categories like eBikes can be recognised, then why no assisted sports like canicross getting recognised? It might not be on your priority list because you do not do it, but for a great many others it is.

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  • Take no offense I was just saying it’s not something I have heard about. I’m glad you are so passionate for it. I also believe yeah.. strava should create that as an activity type. If they have CrossFit, velomobile, and stand up paddler. They should definitely have canicross. Would be a great leaderboard!

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  • Greg Scott - From what I have seen from their requests, it is not necessarily that those asking for cani-cross or other similar activity types are asking for a leaderboard for their activity.  They are just looking for their own activity type designation so that their activities don't get incorrectly mixed into the leaderboards of regular unassisted activities like running or riding.  I can see three clear activity types, cani-cross (running with a dog), dog-joring (biking with a dog), and ski-joring (nordic skiing with a dog).  If these were to have their own activity types, people would not be recording them under the unassisted acitivity type and incorrectly taking course records or KOMs.  

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  • Let's get a category for ice yachting. It's big in Wisconsin.

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  • I apologize for flagging same issue that has been raised in previous comments. It saddens to see that issue with unrealistic results in leaderboards isn't detected and sorted out. I keep noticing ebikes or other obviously motorized vehicles recorded as traditional rides. Leaderboard is full of them and no way any traditional cyclists will ever get there as we don't climb with 60km/h speed. It is too much work to flag each activity one by one; and this is example of one segment only. Detecting such abnormal records should be pretty straightforward isn't it? Makes the leaderboard meaningless 

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  • Jason Lamoreaux Strava have to draw the line somewhere, there are dozens if not hundreds of fringe "sports" such as canicrossing, (or Eric Bakke's ice yachting :-)  ) whose participants probably think their sport is big, but when you think that Strava has well over 75 million accounts and adding many more each month, canicrossers would be about 0.003% according to what Google says is the number of active participants and assuming every one of them signed up for a Strava account (unlikely). That number is insignificant and just not commercially important. Strava is, after all, a commercial operation.

    And then there is the animal rights/PR angle ....canicrossers might say that no dogs are overworked but it would only take one rogue participant to step over the line in pursuit of a KOM and Strava could have bad publicity and even a lawsuit. They dropped the live downhill cycling segments because somebody had a crash chasing a downhill KOM and tried to sue Strava for encouraging dangerous practices. Strava would probably want to stay well away from any possible bad animal welfare publicity.

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  • Mike Nottingham

    gold star.

     

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  • Allow comments and photos on segment pages

     

    It would be great to make the segment pages real pages and allow people to both comment (with some upvote/downvote system?) and to add photos.  Could also just automatically use photos that people have publicly uploaded while on that segment. 

     

    My main reason for this is safety.  When exploring a new area or trying to help a friend in a different area plan routes, it's hard to tell if a road is dangerous, or if it's boring and filled with traffic, or if the pavement is a bit dicey.  Right now for this I generally look at strava segments and then jump over to google maps streetview.  This is kind of ridiculous - you have TONS of very useful photos, and I'm sure people would quickly add lots of helpful comments (potholes to watch out for, car/traffic warnings, good places to stop for food/water/etc).  

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  • Yulia Mironenko There are segments in Strava that, by some reason, get unrealistic times for most of the riders. They are not cheating and their rides must not be flagged. 

    Look at this, for example. If you open the activities of the top10 riders you see that their speeds in other segments are "normal", but in this particular one they get 100 kmph!!

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  • Auto flagging doesn't always work but I would love to be able to flag a segment-effort as unrealistic or dangerous.

    Like this segment: https://www.strava.com/segments/2070803?filter=overall . This section of road has a bike path next to it and the road itself is prohibited for cyclists. The road is faster than the bike path next to it so most fast efforts are on the road and not on the bikepath.

    Autoflagging doesn't help because there are some efforts which were done during a competition, so they should be allowed. Others should be flagged. The big problem (for strava) is that people go 'KOM-hunting' on dangerous roads which could end up in Strave being blamed for accidents.

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  • Carlos Vigo this is due to the person who made the segment, since they doubled back past the start point, the segment averages there time over the whole length of the segment even though almost half of it was never done by riders getting the segment, effectively doubling their average speed. It's an error on the part of the segment maker rather than Strava. If you look at the riders GPS etc, their actual speeds were closer to 50kmph

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  • @Carlos Vigo - how significant is the average slope of -5 % ?

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  • Hey Peter H! Thank you for bringing this up, athlete safety is very important to us. While you can't autoflag a segment, we do have a process in place to flag a segment as hazardous - this puts certain limitations on the segment as well as lets your community know about the safety hazards involved. You can read more about that here: Flagging a Segment as Hazardous. I hope that helps!

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  • How about asking the USER to confirm a new KOM?

    Many people get a KOM because they forget to turn off their GPS at the end of a ride.  They are probably unaware that they are KOM.  If we could have Strava simply show them the KOM, and ask if this was real, (and for biking, ask if it was an e-bike), many of the false KOM's would go away.

    Of course, that would mean that Strava would need to add the ability to "Remove a Ranking" from a segment.  (today, the only way to remove a segment is to delete the whole activity).

    Thoughts?

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  • FEATURE REQUEST:

    All the athlete to select the age-range he/she is interested in.

    Examples:  

    • If I'm 64.5, I might want to see how my performance stacks up against those 65-70.
    • If I'm 85, I might not want to compare myself to everybody over 75  (80 means more)

    How about creating filters that the Athlete can control when looking at the leaderboards.

    • Filter by age range (athlete can select min and select max, rather than fixed ranges)
    • Filter by sex
    • Filter by weight (athlete selects min/max, rather than fixed ranges)

     

    Also, I do agree with the previous posters, that suggest it would be nice to see the age of the KOM.

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  • I understand that strava segments are a good way to motivate and train.
    In the case of the segments for BTT, these usually suffer a degradation over time, especially the more pronounced the unevenness is, I think it would be a good idea to add a category of the current king style, which reflects the best times of the last 6 approximately months, I know that in the paid version you can see those of the year, it is one more piece of information, although it seems more correct to me that it was from the last 12 months since the first months of the year hardly provide information for most segments which are not done often.
    I know I'm not a subscribed user, but I'm making this comment suggested by a colleague who is.
    Since I'm here, I'll take the opportunity to suggest launching another type of cheaper subscription and with less information for those of us who are happy to be amateurs, even an economic subscription that only offered statistics haha.
    All the best,
    David

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  • On the Leader Boards, for a given segment, the current age groups do not cater for a time in a higher age group that is better than the Leader's time of a previous age group and do not show it in that lower age group Leader Board.
    I am in the age group 75+ and have some leading times there that are better than the corresponding Leader's time of the age group 70-74 (and even some outright KOMs) for the same segments.
    This is very annoying.
    Could we add another set of age groups, e.g.
    30 and over..........65 and over, 70 and over, 75 and over etc

    Colin Fyfe (Cape Town, S.A.)

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  • Although I would like to have a flexible query tool to filter leaderboards, I think just having a “Last Three Years” (or 4 or 5 years) selection option would resolve some of the complaints I have read. It would not affect the “All Time” leaderboard, but would give a better idea of how active athletes are performing than the “Current Year” selection, which is fairly useless until later in a year. If pro-level riders race on a segment, their times would eventually drop off a “Last Three Years” selection, without requiring complicated filtering.

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  • Please bring back "today" "this week" and "this month" leaderboards. First, they are a great way to see if a trail is open and running as the spring melt hits. Second, especially the "today" leaderboard is great for comparing among a group of friends or to see how you stacked up on that day's conditions. Third, trails change. Thanks.

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  • Hi Skye Manu thanks for surfacing this, we understand the importance of these leaderboard options. We've deployed a fix for this issue and the filtered leaderboards are back up and running.

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  • What is the point in subscribing to the Leaderboards when it is obviously that the list is full of fake results????

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  • Jan Nielsen - maybe I'm lucky, but in my area there are lots of Segments (I've completed more than 5,000) and I think less than 1% have fake results.  There are occasionally examples where some data looks suspicious but these can often be resolved fairly easily - for example, a couple of days ago an inexperienced athlete who previously cycled at 8-10 mph set 10 KOMs in one ride at sustained speeds of 35 mph.  I politely asked if it was a genuine ride and he quickly replied to say he was using Strava to measure his commute by bus (and he deleted the Activity).  I also sometimes see rides at 15 mph that end with a couple of miles at 40 mph - clearly because the athlete forgot to stop Strava at the end of the ride - again these can usually be resolved with a polite message to request the athlete crop the activity.

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  • Jan Nielsen - If you see results in the leaderboards that you feel are "fake" for whatever reason, just flag them and they will be removed.  I do it all the time when I see obvious e-bikes or just someone who forgot to turn off their GPS at the end of a ride and took some KOMs on the drive home.  It is pretty simple from the desktop platform.

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