Segment Leaderboards

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  • Please create a separate sport profiles for Classic Nordic Skiing and Freestyle/Skate Nordic Skiing. They’re currently together and these are arguably less similar than road biking and mountain biking. Skate is significantly faster. Thanks!

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  • @Richard Walker

    I support this only if it's a filter that can be viewed electively.

    I want to know the KOMs of all time; records yearly aren't of much interest.

    It's not like society throws out the Guinness book of world records each year and starts fresh.

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  • Diego Coenga  gold star, it should be easy to implement.  Strava please do!

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  • William O.

    I accept this as an add on to "permanent" KOM's.

    Alpe d' Huez doesn't change, nor does the Galibier, nor Ventoux.

    I want to know who is or was the fastest.  If I can also see who is recent, sure, just don't erase or remove the all time data.  Maybe it's been a few years since one visited an area - such as during covid - so do their records need to be erased just because of a gap of recency?

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  • Let's get a category for ice yachting. It's big in Wisconsin.

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  • Mike Nottingham

    gold star.

     

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  • Carlos Vigo this is due to the person who made the segment, since they doubled back past the start point, the segment averages there time over the whole length of the segment even though almost half of it was never done by riders getting the segment, effectively doubling their average speed. It's an error on the part of the segment maker rather than Strava. If you look at the riders GPS etc, their actual speeds were closer to 50kmph

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  • How about asking the USER to confirm a new KOM?

    Many people get a KOM because they forget to turn off their GPS at the end of a ride.  They are probably unaware that they are KOM.  If we could have Strava simply show them the KOM, and ask if this was real, (and for biking, ask if it was an e-bike), many of the false KOM's would go away.

    Of course, that would mean that Strava would need to add the ability to "Remove a Ranking" from a segment.  (today, the only way to remove a segment is to delete the whole activity).

    Thoughts?

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  • I understand that strava segments are a good way to motivate and train.
    In the case of the segments for BTT, these usually suffer a degradation over time, especially the more pronounced the unevenness is, I think it would be a good idea to add a category of the current king style, which reflects the best times of the last 6 approximately months, I know that in the paid version you can see those of the year, it is one more piece of information, although it seems more correct to me that it was from the last 12 months since the first months of the year hardly provide information for most segments which are not done often.
    I know I'm not a subscribed user, but I'm making this comment suggested by a colleague who is.
    Since I'm here, I'll take the opportunity to suggest launching another type of cheaper subscription and with less information for those of us who are happy to be amateurs, even an economic subscription that only offered statistics haha.
    All the best,
    David

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  • Hi Skye Manu thanks for surfacing this, we understand the importance of these leaderboard options. We've deployed a fix for this issue and the filtered leaderboards are back up and running.

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  • What is the point in subscribing to the Leaderboards when it is obviously that the list is full of fake results????

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  • I'd like to see a separate category created for time trial bikes.  It seems near impossible to compete with them on a road bike and, in these parts, they pretty much hold all the top spots on leaderboards, including KOM's/QOM's.  

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  • Has anyone noticed a recent change in the minimum length of bike Segments ?  I have created many segments over the last 4 years and by trial and error I have found the minimum length is 300 metres (I get the actual length from the excellent VeloViewer companion app which gives more precise data than is reported in the Strava web data).  A couple of weeks ago I created a Segment that was 308 metres without a problem.  Today I did the same road in the opposite direction and tried to create the reverse Segment.  However, I kept getting errors saying it was too short while I gradually lengthened it.  I couldn't save it until the length got to 505 metres.  Has Strava recently increased the minimum Segment length from 300 metres to 500 metres ?  If so, why ? (I haven't seen a lot of requests from Strava subscribers asking for such a change).  If Strava have done this can they please revert to the 300 metre limit (yes, I know there may be some small inaccuracies with time and speed measurement over such a distance but I'm happy to live with it)

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  • Ian Barton

    Frankly until Strava get a bit stricter on GPS data, shorter segments are totally meaningless. You can gain 9s on each end of a segment currently. In 2022 this kind of tolerance is ridiculous. Reliable GPS data is easily obtainable for all athletes. Strava should update policies first and then revert back to 300m.

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  • Segment leaderboard for RUNNING on STRAVA are totally useless.
    Strava has to find a way to detect people that record a bike ride as running. Or even a scooter or other vehicle ride. I live in a very tourist city, Rio de Janeiro, here the running segments are all full of bike rides and electric scooter rides. And dont think it would be hard to Strava to detect it automatically. For example, comparing the pace with previous running pace of the same athlete... or even comparing the heart rate of the activity to see if it is reasonable. Nobody runs at 2min per km with 120bpm.
    I try to report the activities that clearly are wrongly registered, but STRAVA blocks me after some few reports, as if I was doing something wrong. 
    Strava Segment Leaderboard are what keeps us using the platform, Strava MUST open its eyes on it.

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  • continuing, I think Strava is loosing its main attraction to me. As I love to see the running leaderboard on the segments I Strava does nothing to identify people riding bikes or vehicles and registering as running. An worse, Strava blocks me for reporting too much activities! 

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  • I forgot... the Bullets and Numbers paragraph options don't work on the forum.
    In the previous post it should read...

     

    ... both of these:

    1.  Default athletes to ...

    2.  Automatically detect ...

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  • Ian Barton

    So it sounds like you have encountered the exact same issue. Because Strava regard taking a GPS position every 10s as totally legitimate and they round points only within segments, you frequently see people starting segments multiple seconds ahead.

    For example;

    Rider records a point at 0s, then a segment starts at 1s, then they record their next point at 10s.

    Strava deems them to have started the segment at the 10s point and thus they start with a 9s advantage.

    This can also happen at the end point too.

    Now I do agree, this is quite unlikely. I'm looking at a real example here where an athlete has a GPS track with gaps varying from 1s to 8s, e.g. 2:01 2:08 2:09 2:17 2:19 

    So if a segment starts at 2:09 then that's totally accurate, but if a segment starts at 2:10 then they get a free 7 second advantage. There are a lot of random factors at play so it is very unlikely that someone will get a big advantage at both ends, but let's ignore the worst case scenario of 18s, even a few seconds unfair advantage can be crushing on a short segment.

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  • Craig W.

    Thanks for the comments.  You mention that flagging (and disqualifying) a whole Activity due to a problem with a single Segment can be harsh - I see the point of the flag is to alert the athlete to the problem and they then have a chance to remedy it.  In the case of a GPS anomaly this can be addressed by splitting the ride and cropping out the offending data, so typically only one Segment is lost and the rest of the Activity is retained 

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  • Strava leaderboards have been really slow to update recently - on the order of hours to days (even with segment refresh). It’s a bit annoying -  are the any engineering efficiency gains to be made such that when a person uploads an activity with a segment leaderboard accomplishment, that is reflected on the leaderboard in a matter of minutes rather than hours or days?

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  • When will it ever be possible for the community to report/flag obviously flawed entries in the segment leaderboards? There are so many KOMs blocked by some guy who has somehow teleported himself up a 5 km, 7% hill with literally 71 kph and 3 W power output. Yeah right. There is nothing the community can do about it and that sucks.

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  • Hi Johannes J. Thanks for reaching out and sorry for any inconvenience this athlete has caused. In general, Strava is a community-moderated social network. This means that we rely on our community of athletes to monitor the integrity of our leaderboards. Therefore, there is a way for you to address a bad KOM/QOM/CR but you will need to log into your account via the website to do so. Please see our article on how to remove an activity from the segment leaderboards.

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  • Adrian Robert

    As you say you cannot really define local, however I think there is a good solution that does effectively the same thing.

    Strava already records an athletes 3rd best time on a segment (you get a little bronze medal)

    If you only compare these times on a leaderboard then it's much less likely that your "visiting semi-pro" will have 3 results (or at least 3 good results).

    It would also reward the more consistent local riders, as opposed to that guy who got "lucky" one time.

    IMHO there needs to be a leaderboard that combines multiple results (local legends) but also with going fast (so you actually feel proud).

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  • Tracks evovle over the years, but the algorithm for placing people on the leader board is to flimsy. A segment should have the ability to time limit new scores.

    I see many people having taken BIG shortcuts on the track, but stil ending as KOM. Kills the segment.

    Add the ability to flag false people on a segment. 

    On a 10km track, Strava should be able to sort out people with only 8km tracked. It destroys the segment completely.

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  • Soren, you state "Strava is a community-moderated social network."  If this is true then allow the community the ability to moderate segments!  And by moderate I mean delete duplicates, fix start/stop points, and easily note/remove obvious segment and leaderboard errors. Just allowing the ability to suggest a change to a segment to fix poor start/stop locations would be a step in the right direction.  

    Other platforms (Trailforks for instance) allow for local admins that are able to manage content in their region.   Locally (specifically on MTB trails) we have trails that have changed or been rerouted and trails that are very close to each other.  We use their version of heat maps to fine tune the maps to be more accurate.  One would think that Strava's heat map data could be used to somewhat accurately match a ride to the heat map data associated with the segment.

    Strava does not do a good job differentiating the two trails and often people riding the faster, less technical trail will get credit for the KOM/QOM of the other trail.  The actual segment is good but the way Strava decides if an attempt on the segment is correct is not very good...

    Attached is an example of the clearly defined heat map of the segment compared to the route people are getting credit for the segment (highlighted in red).

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  • Is it possible to disable the segments feature, meaning: don't include my activities in leader boards, either ever or just by default until I opt in.

    For my type of Strava user - I'm not interested in this feature, and occasionally it becomes a minor hassle actually.

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  • Michael Murphy - I believe that if you set your profile so all of your activities are set to "private", then they will not show up on any leaderboards.  The downside is that others that follow you wont see them either, but not sure if that is a concern.  I am not sure of another way to not have segments show up other than marking the activity as something other than a "ride" or "run", such as a "workout" possibly.

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  • Soren understood. But doing so defeats one of my actual uses for Strava.

    To developers here: Call this a request for the feature I described.

    Logic change in pseudocode ...

    was

         if (activity.security==public)  { update_leaderboards(activity) };

    becomes

        if (activity.security==public && activity.segment_track==enabled)  { update_leaderboards(activity) };

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • Jason Lamoreaux

    I'm trying your suggestion here, "workout". I see there is workout as an activity, what you meant, and tagging a ride activity as workout.

    My most recent activity: received a 4th overall and best this year on leader board, but it is merely from low accuracy GPS data putting me on the wrong trail in Strava's algorithms.

    Setting activity to workout: yes, it removed all awards and the appearance in leader boards, at the expense of not logging my mileage, as exercised miles per month and mileage on a particular bike (e.g. time to replace the chain etc.)

    Activity as ride + setting the workout tag: no effect on segments tracking and leader boards, I'm now best this year on a segment I didn't actually travel on yesterday.

    What did suppress leader board input: setting a real world activity as virtual. I believe the mileage is still being logged for that, and maybe personal heatmap as well, two Strava features of interest to me.

     

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  • William O.

    Hi William - I'm not sure how this might work in practice.  Are you saying, for example, that if you see 2 Segments that have a 90% overlap you would organise some democratic vote by Strava users to decide which of the 2 Segments to keep and which to delete ?  What happens if a new user comes along and creates another overlapping Segment ?  Is a new vote needed or is creation of the new Segment blocked ? 

    Personally I think the current system of alerting Segment creators to the presence of potential duplicates works quite well.  Just yesterday I went to create a new Segment and I was alerted that there was already a very similar one - I hadn't seen it in my Activity because it was hidden.  Hence I cancelled my new Segment and unhid the old one - problem solved. 

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