Segment Leaderboards

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  • Any chance of local moderators?

    •  I want new moderators. It will allow me to report rides to someone who is actively engaged in the local community nad they can easily see when for example a MTB forgets to turn off their GPS getting in the car etc. The reason that is important is because it is disheartening to see hte top 10 spots in local segments all taken up by people who clearly have had it reported already, didn't do anything, it doesn't seem intentional but it would be a huge drain on your resources if we started going through the full "report a cheater" process. A
    • I think a local volunteer moderator would be great because then they could action items simply by editing with ease, no cheaters report process and its something the community could be vested in.  
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  • E-Bikes ARE the biggest threat for leaderboards. I agree. Leaderboards are one of the main features of strava, they are fun, functional, motivating, and allow for competition (even more in times of the pandemic, when no races take place). E-bike rides are all over leaderboards and take all the fun out of it. Users should receive clear instructions on how to set a ride to the proper activity; making sure to click on e-bike if that is your activity type. This needs to be made very clear somehow, otherwise it will make the whole concept of leaderboards and strava somewhat obsolete.

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  • Murray R. Obviously on the climbs it's "no contest" but on the descents it's still a valid race. I would like to be able to compare my times from my Stumpjumper (acoustic bike) to my Meta Power (E-bike), not on the same leaderboard but at least be able to see them side by side. Also a lot of my friends still ride acoustic bikes so on the descents I would like to be able to compare with them. It doesnt make any sense to completely segregate bikes from E-bikes. Yes the leaderboards need to be separate but theres no reason that they cant share the same segement data and even have the leaderboards side by side e.g. you can view leaderboards by age group, weight, male, female etc, why not just have a tab for E-bikes or just have a toggle to switch between the E-bike leaderboards and the bike leaderboards?

     

    I have created heaps of segments over the years in my local area on the bike side of Strava and now that I have an E-bike (as well as my regular bike) it's frustrating that all of the hard work I put in to making segments is lost on the E-bike side of strava. They are exactly the same sport and should share the same segments just with the leaderboard separate. There's no reason that you cant compare the two side by side.

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  • Can the threshold for downhill segments be raised at all? There are a couple of local segments that are essentially flat and go for a few miles but as they average a negative number over the distance they will not synch to my Garmin which is ridiculous. I am completely fine with steeper descents being banned or even less steep one's over a short distance. But when you have one that's barely -1 or even -2% over several miles it just makes no sense.

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  • Anyway, if you aren't going to enact local moderators, that you could remove the option to only flag a ride once. The number of KOMs in cars and when you flag it, it has already been "resolved". When someone is doing 115kmph on a motorway and their HR is around 60bpm, it is fair to assume that they haven't actually resolved it.

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  • Completely agree Jason, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to see when or how people cheated and a PM or even a HRM, while helpful, aren't necessary. The only thing they really need to do is allow multiple flaggings for those who keep not editing their rides, once it gets flagged X times it should either go to a local moderator or one of the help desk team.

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  • Here in the Philippines, people in motorcycles even use Strava and get those top spots on the leaderboard.  Is there a way to delete these profiles?  I hope Strava can detect those unusual speeds.

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  • Can you make it possible to actually search for ebike segments as opposed to any other type? Also can you make it so I can default to ebike all the time for my rides?

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  • Keith J. I'm sorry to hear about the trouble with the segments matched to your activity. This situation is typically caused by flexibility built into our segment matching algorithm that accounts for GPS drift in activities. However, this flexibility can also cause inaccurate segment matching in cases where two segments are located closely together. Please check out our help article for more information on this subject: https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918187-Segment-Matching-Issues. I hope this information helps clear up the confusion!

    Ben S. Thank you for your suggestion around including and excluding professional athletes from segment leaderboards. I am passing this feedback along to our Product Team for consideration in our future product roadmap.

    Merete Victor Thank you for your feedback regarding crew member classification for segments matched to rowing activities. Understanding how many crew were involved in a segment achievement could be neat information to compare. While we cannot promise immediate changes, I am passing your feedback along to our Product Team for consideration in our product roadmap.

    Enwezor Nzegwu You're in luck because the Strava mobile app does in fact allow you to view the 'Following' leaderboard when viewing a segment. To access the Following leaderboard, tap on the relevant segment and then scroll down to the Leaderboards section to locate the 'Following' leaderboard:

    Tony Poole We appreciate your feedback regarding segment efforts which occur as part of a group versus efforts which occur while solitary. I am passing this feedback along to our Product Team so that we can consider possible changes in the future.

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  • I see Strava now seem to have implemented giving you the KOM on your list if you are joint KOM/QOM. Previously they refused to do this despite announcing you had the KOM on your ride even if two of you got it together it went to the first to upload. I noticed this as my list got a little longer.

    Thank you Strava if this is indeed the case.

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  • Soren Will users be able to flag individual segment efforts or will this only apply to auto detection? I am sure that most of these erroneous times are honest mistakes, but when you flag a ride very little information is passed back to the athlete. Therefore it is not surprising that they unflag their ride, as the athlete is given minimal information on why the flag is deserved. Perhaps if people flagging were able to include an anonymous message to the athlete it would be clear. Perhaps if when people unflag they could provide an anonymous response explain why they think the flag was invalid?

    I don't think most of these cases are malicious. I think the failure is the total lack of transparency over why rides are flagged and unflagged.

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  • According to Strava, the start/stop segment timer has a *very* generous radius of uncertainty. I.e.: it is possible to trigger the start of the segment timer 70 meters into the segment and to stop the segment timer 70 m before the end of the segment:

    We always recommend riding through a segment start or end point. If you need to turn around or stop, we recommend avoiding the start or end point by about 70 meters.

    Source: https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000248810-Resting-Time-in-Segment-Efforts

    Issues described above seem to apply to very short segments. Imagine the inherent uncertainty in calculating times for a segment that is 150 m long (who creates those, anyways?). Add to the mix: people who record with Strava's app (lol) at a sampling rate of 0,03 Hz (every 30 seconds, but who knows because there is no way to set recording sampling rate in the app.) with coordinates determined by a ping to a cell tower located 5 Km away, and the same joker who keeps stealing my segments by hitting 'start' well into the start of a segment and hitting 'pause' well before the end of a segment.

    I've given up chasing short twisty segments. 

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  • I want to see more transparency around the flagging of activities. It will increase trust in the leaderboards. This is an issue that has been raised multiple times recently where genuine flags have been incorrectly unflagged.

    Athletes who are trying to help Strava by flagging invalid activities are being frustrated by a lax approach to unflagging.

    When an athlete has their activity flagged they should be able to see the (anonymous) comments that the flagger has contributed.
    This way athletes who have made a genuine mistake will be able to clearly understand WHY the activity has been flagged and take the appropriate action.
    If athletes do not know why they have been flagged they will inevitably just click "this activity is fine".

    If it gets to the stage where Strava Support steps in, it needs to be clear that they have read why the activity has been flagged.
    If Strava Support determine that an activity should be unflagged they should provide feedback to any athlete(s) that have flagged the activity as to why their flag was invalid.
    This would both reassure users that they are being listened to and also help people to understand why a flagged ride was in fact genuine.
    Clearly if it is the case that users are flagging activities incorrectly then providing feedback would help the community.

    If we can teach people to flag and unflag more responsibly then presumably this would also save Strava Support from dealing with tickets on these issues.

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  • Here's an idea!

    Persistent cheaters get three strikes and out. If you get three verified flags for cheating the third gets your KOMs permanently deleted and a public ban for a year.

    Harsh? Maybe. Fair? Totally.

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  • Can you please do some sanity checking of KOMs and CRs? There are some road climbs dominated by drives because downhill MTB riders get shuttled up it. VAMs in the thousands should be a pretty big hint. Or going 30+MPH up a 12% climb.

    Same with people running a mile/5K/whatever under world record pace. Auto-flag and explain to the user. It would be nice if it could be done for individual segments in an activity. In the shuttle to ride downhill example riders will likely just unflag because they want to see their downhill times.

    Various suggestions like these have been made for years, but here's another reminder in case Strava wants to improve their leader boards.

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  • I want to get a summary of where I am on the leaderboard for all segments that I have done, e.g., a list of the segments where I am first in my age group, second, third, or not in the top three.  Let me know if this is possible, but I haven't seen it and I think that it would be motivating as a feature.

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  • @Cesar Corral - I agree with you. This forum should show newest posts first as a default view.

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  • Jennilyn T. thanks for raising this concern. At Strava this kind of behavior is not condoned, and it is very important to us. I've created a support ticket for you, you'll hear more from us on this matter shortly.

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  • FOR RUNNING: 

    I get your average runner may not care that they're gunking up leaderboards with their miscategorized activities, but I spend entirely WAAAAY too much time cleaning up these things when simple baseline standards would clear all this up. THIS SEEMS ENTIRELY OVERDUE AND A BEYOND SIMPLE FIX

    Example: 

    Say I hold the top spot on a segment's leaderboard. Then JOHN NITTTWITTY posts an activity where he claims to have "Ran" at a world record competing 200m pace. Your robots should simply FLAG that activity. Right off. The whole thing. No question. Knowing they were on a bike. Knowing they don't quite know how to use Strava in all its Wowzer powers. If anything, think it a teaching opportunity about the merits of Strava and and its correct usage how some people actually do use the thing as intended.

    Now whom, as a company, Strava, do you care more about? The fairweathers who migth engage with the app once or twice a month OR your paid subscriber base? 

    Again, this seems pretty simple a fix. So let's do it. Otherwise, not really sure what I'm paying for. Sounds like I SHOULD BE PAID to help clear this thing of the weirdos who get their jollies off claiming CR's and hardware. 

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  • Gordon Clark

    Gold star post and good luck.

    Half this forum is people complaining of similar, with e bikes or motorcycles or cars.

    The AI seems that it should be simple enough to at least eliminate 95% of these and educate users instantly, but people have been harping on Strava for years with little effect on this.

    I've not yet seen a good explanation from Strava on why not, although reps do pop their heads up here to address topics from time to time.

    In this day and age it should be a basic feature and innovation they worked on 18 months ago, not one users still need to beg for now.  

    Time will tell.

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  • Has anyone else noticed a recent problem when tying to edit the title of one of their own Segments ?

    About a week ago I noticed a small change to the format of the Segment form as seen on my browser - the Action drop-down had moved from the bottom right to the top right.  This seemed to correspond to a loss of the functionality to edit the title of a Segment - although the "Edit Title" option appeared below the title, when I clicked it nothing happened (I got the same result with multiple Segments and 2 browsers).  About 3 days later the Segment form layout reverted to the previous one and the Edit Title option worked as before - I assumed a Strava developer had made a minor update and reverted when it didn't work properly (and so I closed the ticket I had raised with Strava Support).  However, this morning I again see the "new" layout and I cannot edit a Segment title (I only wanted to correct a couple of typos !).

    Is it just me or do others have the same problem ? 

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  • Fully agree Ian Barton.

    On enduro segments, some riders shortcut when they are no more confident. When these shortcuts are bellow the GPS tolerance, they can win the KOM. Most of them didn't want to cheat.

    On another hand, some bad guys run shortcuts intentionally to win the KOM. These guys destroy the tracks and the segment become dangerous. For example, this technical segment with gaps, wallrides, jumps... was damage some weeks ago: https://www.strava.com/segments/24662847 . A parallel line came up avoiding all the difficulties, crossing the regular tracks. Shortcut is in the GPS tolerance. Saw the ground traces, some hundred runs on this shortcut to win the precious KOM. The current top 5 cheated. Legit riders and shapers had an IRL exchange with some of them. None was able to rerun similar time legit.
    >For this cheating issue, I suggest to stop to give definitive KOM with a time improvement bigger than 10%, without fly-bying with historical top10-20 riders on this part. So, if the other rider validate this ride, the KOM is validate. If not, he just have to rerun it with local riders. Simple and much secure.

    > For the cheating shortcut, I think you could check the comparison analysis riders chart, and suspect a shortcut when someone win 10s and more in less than 50m.

    > For all the shortcut, it would be nice to be able to report one suspicious segment and not all the ride too, to solve the withdraw shortcuter who win the KOM without cheating intention and run legit other part of the trail.

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  • Suggestion: the XOM on a segment should be able to rename it (as well as the creator). There are a lot of identically-named segments especially in some trail areas, and this makes them both difficult to search for and unclear in meaning. Giving the segment leader the ability to modify the name would be a fun additional incentive for people to take XOMs, and would allow for neglected segments to be appropriately renamed.

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  • Andy Sonneland

    I love the idea of a global leaderboard for each global discipline (skiing), with sub-discipline filter (nordic skiing).

    Same about cycling and road, gravel, cx, xc, enduro, emtb... sub-categories

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  • I'm new to strava and I got something called "CR" but there is no place anywhere that says what it is.  Can a legend for stuff like this be put somewhere?

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  • Totally agree with Andy S about having sub categories for classic versus skate skiing.

    Similarly road riding solo versus in a group with a draft.

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  • An enthusiastic "Agreed!" with Matt to return to the previous leaderboard presentation!

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  • Sharing segments makes sense for other sports too, for example running vs. hiking vs. walking. For example on hiking trails parallel sets of segments exist for hiking vs. running (trail running), and for uphill segments the results are actually not that different. Yes, it would still make sense to have separate leaderboards but the segments themselves should be shared.

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  • It would be great if segment leaderboards could be viewed as histograms, x-axis time and y-axis number of rider that achieved this time. This would be a great way to visualize how fast people ride segments.

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  • I notice a bunch of similar complaints/comments in here but would have to agree with the onslaught of E-Biker's happily taking away KOM's and smashing their own previous PR's by recording their rides as normal "acoustic" rides.

    I even have an uptake in my own riding friends that couldn't care less tbh, and basically pat themselves on the back for smashing a KOM on their new "assisted" bikes. Pretty lame on their part, but not worth the argument about it from my side.

    This does put me off an actual subscription though, as segment times and PRs have no actual real relevance while this is occurring. All I focus on currently is beating my own PR's and assuming all others ahead may or may not be legit. 

    Maybe a simple prompt that pops up when someone does get a KOM or PR to acknowledge they are in the right category (you'll probably need to be as specific as "were you riding an E-Bike?" though). If they acknowledge it still after that, then it just sits with the character of the person from there and I'm sure they're the same with other things outside of Strava. :)

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