Segment Leaderboards

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  • I think there is an easy solution and that is for Strava to ask for the type of bike at the end of the recording, especially if the time is leadership material. I held the leadership roll for a ride for a while because I was on a ski lift! Strava makes it really easy to mislabel a ride. I didn't even know until it was flagged. 

    That said, I am not even sure all these mislabeled ebike rides are nefarious. I have a suspicion that many of the people who have the leadership position due to an ebike never even look at the leadership board. They are just using the map and their own personal data. This controversy is Strava's fault, not the riders in probably 99% of the cases!

    The solution is so simple. If the user has not input their bike data, they should be asked to verify the type of bike (or if it was even a bike... in my case skis) at the end of the ride! Just a few extra buttons and then the rider would be forced to intentionally lie. This would solve 99% of the cases and the few actual liars could be easily shamed. As it is now, the 1% of ego maniacs' can hide under the 99% who just don't care about the leadership board like me.

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  • I just noticed that rides I have done in the last couple of days aren't refreshing segments when I switch the activity to "E-Bike Ride". This is an issue since I don't want to be falsely getting KOMs in sections that I obviously didn't achieve. Is anyone else seeing issues with Ebike rides refreshing in segments properly?

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  • Murray R. Obviously on the climbs it's "no contest" but on the descents it's still a valid race. I would like to be able to compare my times from my Stumpjumper (acoustic bike) to my Meta Power (E-bike), not on the same leaderboard but at least be able to see them side by side. Also a lot of my friends still ride acoustic bikes so on the descents I would like to be able to compare with them. It doesnt make any sense to completely segregate bikes from E-bikes. Yes the leaderboards need to be separate but theres no reason that they cant share the same segement data and even have the leaderboards side by side e.g. you can view leaderboards by age group, weight, male, female etc, why not just have a tab for E-bikes or just have a toggle to switch between the E-bike leaderboards and the bike leaderboards?

     

    I have created heaps of segments over the years in my local area on the bike side of Strava and now that I have an E-bike (as well as my regular bike) it's frustrating that all of the hard work I put in to making segments is lost on the E-bike side of strava. They are exactly the same sport and should share the same segments just with the leaderboard separate. There's no reason that you cant compare the two side by side.

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  • I totally agree with KJ Paul de Jong

    I know it may be shocking to some, but there are people who don't look at the Strava leaderboards.  They are out there enjoying the fresh air and use Strava for the maps, for the social aspect and for keeping track of their own data.  

    Is there a way to set "E-bike Ride" as default?  It might help for those new users, who might not realize that an "E-bike Ride" is not the same as a "Ride".

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  • Can the threshold for downhill segments be raised at all? There are a couple of local segments that are essentially flat and go for a few miles but as they average a negative number over the distance they will not synch to my Garmin which is ridiculous. I am completely fine with steeper descents being banned or even less steep one's over a short distance. But when you have one that's barely -1 or even -2% over several miles it just makes no sense.

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  • > But when you have one that's barely -1 or even -2% over several miles it just makes no sense.

    Now imagine that the same applies to running segments as well. Banning those from syncing to my Fenix watch has even less sense. But Strava still does that.

    But at the same time I have a segment that literally goes to a top of a mountain and then back to the start on a 20% downhill slope. And since that is a net 0% segment, apparently syncing that to a Garmin device is fine.

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  • Anyway, if you aren't going to enact local moderators, that you could remove the option to only flag a ride once. The number of KOMs in cars and when you flag it, it has already been "resolved". When someone is doing 115kmph on a motorway and their HR is around 60bpm, it is fair to assume that they haven't actually resolved it.

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  • Francois G & Andy Sonneland:

    an easy way to remove an unwanted KOM is to edit your activity by either cropping it or by splitting it into 2 activities - thus keeping your other achievements while removing the one with an error.

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  • Sebcestbien P - I understand your point, but please consider this:

    it took many years to develop the MTB segments on Strava. Have patience, new E-bike segments are being created every day, and in some time you will be have a comparable network of segments for e-bikes.

    And I am sure that Local Legends will also be added for e-bikes as well as other activities in the future.

    I am primarily concerned with climbing segments, where people's legitimate efforts are being erased by those with an unfair mechanical advantage.

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  • Peter Cajthaml - I agree that those two ideas would remove an unwanted KOM, but it would also take away from what the rider actually did.  If it were me, I wouldn't want to crop out part of my workout that I actually did.  I rode the distance/time, put in the work associated.  Cropping out a section in the middle would mean I would lost the credit for doing that effort.  It would also break up a larger continuous activity.  When looking back at rides, it is better for me to see the ride as a whole rather than multiple broken up files that happen to almost connect (except for what was cropped out).  Sometimes a segment matching error happens in the middle of another larger segment as well, so I would be losing out on the larger segment(s) or other overlapping segments by making the edit for the one.  A better solution would be for Strava to allow for someone to manually disassociate a segment from their ride.  It could be a simple check box or button just like the "hide segment" button.  

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  • Peter-Cajthaml

    Your advise doesn't fully fit my message.
    "thus keeping your other achievements while removing the one with an error."

    1. If my main achievement is a PB on half-marathon....cropping and editing doesn't help !  At least not to avoid frustration.
    2. An unexpected and undeserved KOM isn't customer's fault, so why should we correct Strava's loosy matching algorithm ?  => To me for respect and fairness regarding  other fellow of the Strava's community. I just wish Strava could offer an easy way to correct an undeserved KOM (something easier or as easy  as the procedure to claim an unmatched Segment ! As of today you can claim an unmatched segment...the reverse is to my knowledge not possible !)

    The new "Oddity awareness message" presented by Jojo is a very good feature, I just wish It could be extended to undeserved KOM with in mind the same principle "Make the customers aware of something that accidently went wrong" and sic "with few click" "adjust to correct" the activity.

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  • As often suggested, please either begin interpolating segment start/end or use a more pessimistic model and choose the points before the start and end to guarantee a segment was fully completed.

    A friend of mine rode some segments with both a Garmin and the strava app recording, then compared the two results. The app gave out KOMs like candy because the GPS simply isn't as good; recording every second doesn't matter when you're recording less accurate location data. Precision vs accuracy.

    Many of the KOMs in my area are simply repeating the segment until you get lucky and strava gives you that "bonus" second, even though the actual speed data obviously is no faster.

     

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  • Once again I want to revisit eliminating live Segments for downhill grades. I've really started to pay attention to what local Segments are live and which aren't, and there are so many grade inaccuracies in your database it's rather ridiculous. 

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  • KOM/QOMs without sensor data should be instantly removed. I'm talking specifically a power meter. I do understand some pro riders hide their HR data, but it should be mandatory for a power/cadence sensor to be at the top of the segment. Seeing individuals hold their 10 year KOM/QOM with not even a cadence sensor and nobody is even close to matching their times is abhorrent.

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  • m . - I totally disagree.  It is unreasonable to expect everyone to pay $500-$1000 for a power meter just to compete for segments.  I routinely ride/race on 5 different bikes (road, tt, mountain, cross, and snow).  I have power meters for a couple of them, but no way I should be expected to invest that kind of money into every bike to be eligible for segments. Add in that things like power meters won't sync with the Strava app in the first place, so all those using the phone app for this program would not be able to compete for segments.  If you see times that seem way off, check them out and flag them if you suspect there is something suspicious about it.  

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  • Completely agree Jason, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to see when or how people cheated and a PM or even a HRM, while helpful, aren't necessary. The only thing they really need to do is allow multiple flaggings for those who keep not editing their rides, once it gets flagged X times it should either go to a local moderator or one of the help desk team.

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  • I have a couple of requests for ideas that have come to me as I use Strava.


    1) Simply a way of selecting a single date or range on leaderboards, so that you can compare your time in an event, or to others who rode in the same weather conditions. It's annoying to be able to do this only on the same day with the "today" selection, as that option obviously disappears by the next day.


    2) Segment Combining. A way of selecting segments on a route for comparing the overall time of all the segments selected.

    This allows in between segments where traffic/junctions/conditions dictate slower safe riding to be removed from a route, with safer sections ridden hard for combined total time. 


    Also useful for creating workout routes with hard and recovery segments.

    This could make segments more interesting than just a short effort to compare, and could allow users to set up safe longer courses to compare times on.

    Ability to save these "courses" publicly or privately or for groups.

    Allows for a brand new series of leaderboards for the course, with new KOM/QOM to attain.

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  • I would love to be able to add a 'run up' to a segment and a 'run down' to make segments safer. To illustrate: One of my segments is safe and only contains bike lanes. However, to get the best times some riders leave the bike lane running up to the segment to cut a corner and increase the starting speed. The bike line makes a turn just after the segment but the 'kom hunters' leave the lane to prevent braking early. Altering the segment didn't help because they still think that braking ruins the segment, adding the corners makes it dangerous. If a 'run down' can be added everyone going for a personal best or KOM must take the corner.

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  • Here in the Philippines, people in motorcycles even use Strava and get those top spots on the leaderboard.  Is there a way to delete these profiles?  I hope Strava can detect those unusual speeds.

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  • I cant speak for running as I never use Strava for this but for rides;

    1) I think anything that shows a segment speed over 70kph / 43mph on a near-flat road should be auto-flagged.
    2) Anything flagged should have the ability to flag the specific segment of the ride.

    There are segments all over the places which are either clearly driven in cars or, the GPS data is bad and warps between 2 points.

    I ride track as a sprinter and at my performance peak I could only really hit 67kph max and that was on a super-smooth velodrome with a track-specifc bike... and I am generally one of the faster guys!

    This is an example: the top 30 riders all had speeds of over 80kph for the sprint segment.... to put into perspective, that is Chris Hoy's max speed recorded in an olympic Keirin race.

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  •  

    Please consider "snow biking" a separate leaderboard.

    In some highly technical trail systems that see a lot of winter use, a gnarly rocky/rooty trail system will fill into to become  a bobsled course with the perfect freeze thaw cycles once every 2 or 3 years. Is it FUN? OH YEAH,  but not it's just not the same trail.

    here is an example of a segment that has existed for about 4 years. suddenly on  late Feb to early March 2021 conditions were perfect and the leaderboard got destroyed. In the top 30 there is only 1 Non winter time.   the entire trail network is like this. Here and on many other technical trail systems that see winter traffic.

    The leader board then becomes a list of people who were out on those "special days" and becomes useless the other  363 days of the year as it was 20-25% faster on those perfect days discouraging the friendly competitive nature that make Strava so fun.

    Less technical "flow trails" would also benefit with a "snow biking" category.  in many of those cases dirt will have considerably more grip than snow so for the winter season,  strava loses its fun competitive nature on those  trail networks.

    It is also incredibly easy for locals to identify the "snow bikers" simply based on date and impossible to hide from it. So flagging would be very straightforward and non-offensive. Just switch the category...the ride isn't lost and there is still a leaderboard to compete on 365 days a year

    Maybe to clean up broken historical  leaderboards,  existing rides that are flagged as "snow biking" between Dec-Mar in the northern hemisphere would automatically be recategorized unless denied by the user.

    Overall I can see this as a very positive improvement to strava without major drawbacks or conflict. and should hopefully be able to  integrate easily into the existing system easily

     

     

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  • Can you make it possible to actually search for ebike segments as opposed to any other type? Also can you make it so I can default to ebike all the time for my rides?

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  • Is there a way to remove or hide "Last Week's Leaderboard" and only showcase "This Week's"? 

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  • @Melvatron, Strava will never implement auto-flagging of activities or segments based on top speed because then it will have a lot of support requests from angry users. The top speed that you see in segment leaderboards isn't real most of the time - it is a result of Strava's faulty segment matching algorithm combined with smart recording used by users on their Garmin devices.

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  •  
    There is still no effective way to dismiss a 'live segment' once it is tracking. If you press Hide you are taken back to the feed, but record takes you back to the live tracking. If a popular segment goes 'live' before the one you have starred you will have to turn back/off the route as there is no way to dismiss then after they have started without stopping your recording. It is possible to dismiss only if you catch it in the 5 seconds it might be on the screen before going live, but if you aren't looking down it is too late. This an annoying timewaster trying to get off the tracking without having to break up you recording so you can get back to the segment you are actually interested in.
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  • Then please at least add the ability to flag an activity from the app instead of only being available on the website.

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  • Hi

    I'm looking at leaderboards on Strava, and I'm disappointed to find that some people are active for more hours than it is possible to be active (greater than 24 hours per day). My question is, are they 'cheating' (somehow manipulating the data) or is it a problem with data interpretation in Strava itself.

    I just get a bit disheartened, when I see this and makes me question if the membership is worth it, when folks are not quite honest (or appear to be), never mind e-bikes!

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  • Why this topic is called "Segment Leaderboards" and not "Segments" in general? Where do we discuss segment creation, discovery, and matching?

    The biggest feature that I miss on Strava, that would significantly enhance my experience, is ability to discover long segments. I am onto segments that take at least an hour to complete and potentially multiple hours. Think about those as virtual races or FKTs! Long segments especially make sense when running on trails in mountains where there are some well established routes, but also it is a cool way to introduce a new challenge and share with others. I think road cyclists would also welcome this feature.

    At the moment the only realistic way to discover long segments is to spot them in activities of others. Segment explorer almost never shows them if there are enough shorter segments in the area as shorter segments are guaranteed to be more popular, just because they have a higher chance to be matched.

    A simple and reasonable solution would be to add a filter in Segment Explorer on segment distance. I know from the old forum, that has been requested multiple times over years. Why Strava is reluctant to implement this kind of filter by distance?

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  • Please add a segment leaderboard for single speed bicycles.

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  • I would consider paying for Strava if they separated the seasons. As per Mental mikes comment above our local trails top 30 are dominated by people riding fat bikes or e-bikes now. The trail system is full of punchy technical short climbs and roots and rocks that just turn into a speed way in the winter when the snow flattens everything out. Personally until Strava fixes this I have no interest in paying for it and if there was another app that did this I would just switch to that app.

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