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Duplicate Cycling Segments for Ebike Segments

Hi,

a lot of people with ebike are still registering their activities as nomral bike because no segments exists in the ebike section.

Most of them do that because they don't know (or they don't want to spend the time) to create new segment in Ebike categorie.

I think it will be awesome if all the bikes segments could be duplicate in eBikes categories.

This way, the ebikes owner are gona record their activities in the ebike section because they will be able to see the existing segments.

Of course, keep the leaderboard seperate, just duplicate the segments.

 

Thanks.

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  • Totally agree. It's so annoying not having an e bike segment. Would love to see this happen please

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  • We have KOM and QOM ,why not just add EKOM and EQOM ? 

    Sounds like a pretty easy fix to me.  

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  • After 4 years, while waiting for Strava to give adequate support for eBiking...

    Cheers guys...

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  • In the absence of Strava doing something on their own to fix this, I've written a little javascript user script to automate the process. I'm a programmer but not a javascript expert, so sorry for any bugs - it works for me, at least! Don't panic too much if the script accidentally create a segment you didn't want - as long as it's yours, you can delete it, or change it from private to public (but NOT the other way). Also keep in mind that Strava limits you to creating 10 new segments a day.

     

    Anyway, to use it, all you need to do is:

    1. Download tampermonkey (https://www.tampermonkey.net/) or another userscript manager

    2. Open this link (https://github.com/nickbeeton/garminstuff/raw/master/Convert%20bike%20segments%20to%20ebike%20segments%20on%20Strava.user.js)

    On tampermonkey at least, it will automatically ask you to install the script, so just click "Install"

    3. Open any ebike ride on Strava - it should show you a couple new buttons titled "Copy Bike Segments to PUBLIC Ebike Segments" and "Copy Bike Segments to PRIVATE Ebike Segments". If you press one of these buttons, the script will briefly change your ebike ride to a bike ride, look at the list of bike segments on your ride, then change your ride back to ebike and try to create ebike segments with the same names and locations as the bike ride segments. You can open the developer console (Ctrl-Shift-I) to see if it failed for any reason - it will refuse to create an ebike segment that's too similar to one that exists already.

     

    Let me know if it works for you, and what you think!

     

     

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  • Hi Jason... I've spent many years creating segments, riding hundreds of other segments and have years worth of data. Strava have washed their hands of Ebikers asking simply to be able to continue riding the same segments they have done for years. It cant be hard to copy the segment data points and implant it to "E-bike"..... easy I'd say. But 'Strava' (a representative told ne directly) identify ebikes as a new thing.... in the same 'new thing' way they see running, swimming etc as new disciplines. If it annoys you that some ebikers record as a ride (and it should annoy you), complain to starve and ask them to do something about it.... PLEASE!!!!!
    as an aside, I've cancelled my subscription, and will be just using garmin from now on

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  • Strava, are you counting votes on this? The issue will only grow as ebikes proliferate. Look at the sales in Austria and Switzerland. It's only a matter of time, so why not lead? 

    I agree, there needs to be a way to separate e-bikes from regular bikes on the same segments. If I ride both, I don't want my e-bike results overriding my best regular bike efforts, but I do want to record them. There must be a way to have a checkbox to click if e-bike in the gear profile, then the data is handled separately. You can differentiate running and biking on the same segments, right? Just duplicate that functionality.

    Thanks.

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  • This has been requested on a separate e-bike thread too... see https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360011314871-Copying-bike-segments-across-to-E-Bike-activity-type%C2%A0 

    But this isn't just about e-bikes, its about how segments are created in general. It could be easier really. You could be able to tick which activities you would like the segment to apply to (thus creating separate leaderboards) without having to go out and do the track again as a separate activity. A trail and segment that is good for running can be just as good for walking, hiking, biking, e-bikes, etc... and it also applies to having the ability to make bi-directional segments, just have a box that you could tick for both ways instead of having to do it again in the opposite direction. Obviously showing up as separate segment leaderboards.    

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  • I'm just creating my own ebike segments but it's annoying that some of the rules have changed so I can't recreate all my favourite "ride" segments.

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  • Jess, the lack of response on this issue (and also the other related one about not being able to search e-bike segments) is very disappointing. We need some communication from Strava on why, what appears to users who have posted here to be a pretty simple fix, has not been done. Will you please explain what is going on. It seems to me that some possible reasons nothing is being done are:

    1. Strava does not have the resources to do it,
    2. Strava perceives that there is insufficient demand for the fix,
    3. Strava disagrees that the fix being suggested by users needs to be done,
    4. Strava has scheduled the fix but it won't be done until xx xx xxxx,
    5. Sträva considers that the fix suggested by users is actually much more complex and costly than suggested and hence has a low priority.

    Please, please, please let us know what the actual reason is and a timeframe for remedy. We are in an information vacuum and that is extremely frustrating.

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  • Please allow the duplicate normal ride segments on ebike saves me upsetting the locals 😂

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  • Same segments for both bikes and ebikes is an easy and fast solution. We have filters for age, weight, why not a filter for bike and ebikes?
    Many e-bikers will register correctly their activity if we have same segments.
    Please share this thread with you colleagues, with need more votes yo increase attention from Strava.

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  • Agree with Caesar Corral!

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  • eBike support is bad. Apart from the lack of segments until enough people create them from their rides:

    Did you guys get "live segments" audio notification and the live tracking screen when you start/finish a favorite segment with your eBike? I don't

    Did you get your eBike rides synced into Google Fit? I don't

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  • Segments are the only reason to use Strava and not something else. After starting to ride an electric bike I quit riding regular MTB.

    If I want to track my own results in the segments that are popular and available I need to go somewhere and hide or unhide something?!

    If Strava ignores our needs for easy segment access for ebikes, users like me will ignore Strava.

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  • +10000000 JD.  I ride all kinds of bikes - 'cross, gravel, fatbike, XC/enduro, and eMTB.  I like to segment my rides to track them separately, but eMTB is the one that really causes me grief, because no segments exist.  I end up deleting my eMTB ride after I check my times on DH segments, but as you suggest, it's just silly that I need to do so.  

     

    STRAVA, THIS IS A RIDICULOUSLY EASY UPDATE FOR YOU TO MAKE!  JUST DO IT!!!

     

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  • That E-Bikes claiming a lot of KOMs recently is a problem here (Austria) too. I always thought this was an issue with unfair (or simply unaware) bikers. But now I must learn that E-Bikers do not have any of the existing segments. This is of course a huge reason to keep the rides as normal bike rides.

    I would strongly suggest other (sub-)categories in addition to KOM/QOM like already suggested: eKOM/eQOM and oKOM/oQOM (o == old-school (name only for illustration)). Best with some sort of symbol (e-bike with some green flash symbol or something and the old-school/unsupported with a lower leg or something) instead of a prefix.

    Just a matter of fact: As the issue seems to be a growing problem and the leaderboards are 'destroyed' for a normal bike rider, for me personally the reason to use Strava vanishes.

    A big issue are of course all the auto-synced rides from other services, maybe it would be necessary in the future to mark rides per default as E-Bike-Rides and needs to be changed in the settings. Because it is worse if e-bike rides show up as normal rides, than normal rides as e-bike rides.

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  • I've had KOMs on purely DH sections where it wasneither here bor there what format bike I was riding... but have had it flagged because it's a ebike.
    Im past caring now

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  • This request has been going on for 3 years - clearly it's never going to happen.  Nick has done his bit (thanks for your efforts to date!), but sadly I'm having issues with the script now and I'm not familiar enough with JS to resolve the problems myself - is there anyone else out there that would care to take a look?  In chrome I get an error on line 159 when trying to open new windows.

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  • Good point Jason Lamoreaux

    Regular segments database has plenty of crap

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  • Dear Strava, Like it or not, ebikes are here to stay, and I think if you don’t figure this out SOON you are going to lose out to a competitor’s app. Our favorite segments are already the standard...It’s not practical to duplicate them. Please help and DO SOMETHING! Just FYI I don’t own an ebike.

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  • I have made over 450 segments for e-bikes, in Epping forest UK, copying the old segments over from the bike section is not the way to go. Strava just needs to make an e bike specific section for us. We have leader boards running and e-bike riders are competing on these segments. All we need from Strava are live segments and segment search. 

    If you put the effort in and make e bike specific segments you will be surprised how e bike riders change their rides to e bike category and the amount of riders is increasing once the word gets around they have something to compete for. 

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  • I totally agree with Craig C that copying all of the normal bike segments straight over to e-bike is not a good idea. There is far too much rubbish in there, some of them with very unsafe start and end points right at busy road intersections. I have previously commented on this forum in support of those wanting Strava to simply duplicate all bike segments over to e-bike but have now changed. It's not hard to set up new segments. I will now switch my lobbying efforts to getting Strava to make e-bike segments searchable

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  • Duplicating segments across different activities benefits trail runners as well, not just eMTBers.

    Strava is tone deaf on this, at the same time they want us to pay up.

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  • I haven´t tried it,but it looks like it is possible:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voDsMKoEJkU

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  • this is crazy,constantly having to create segments for ebikes when they are already available for normal bikes....just copy them across please strava for the ebike sector....apart from anything,strava restricts how many segments can be created within a certain time bizarrely???? 

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  • I agree..... this is seriously pissing me off. I've emailed Strava who refuse to see this as an issue, as "ebike segments haven't been riden before"!!?.
    Trying a few times to explain that an ebike is actually a bike... and we're ridding the same MTB segments that have been set up over years is falling on deaf ears.
    I fail to comprehend how it would be difficult to copy the GPS data points for 'ride segments across to 'ebike' so we can ride and compare the same trials.... what STRAVA say we have to do is re-record all the segments if we want then.... bloody ridiculous that more or less for me now makes Starva pointless and will just use my Garmin records from now on

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  • I do have a question about making new segments in the ebike category. If I create a segment from a ride that was set to ebike, will it show up as an overlapping segment for someone set to ride?  Are segments specific to the activity or to the location? 

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  • Tom, ebike segments will be shown for ebike rides only.

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  • Have to agree with this. Getting an e-mtb soon and really want to ride the same segments and compare progress. With the growing number of e-mtb users I feel this should be added to (and moved up) your "to do" list!

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  • I've submitted a request for duplicate segments and more or less had an argument by email about what ebike riders want and expect....
    I've stopped using Strava and just use my Garmin..... what's the point of Strava if suddenly all the routes I've ridden for years are no longer available..... ridiculous

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