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E-Bike category has no segments

Hi,

I hired an e-mtb and rode on some of my regular trails.

I uploaded as an e-bike which to my disappointment had a completely different set of segments.

It would be far better if it included e-bikes (but marked as e-bike) in the main section of Strava so that we can ride our favourite segments and rate them against our own times and our followed and followers.

If they are in the main section you could have an option for people to either mask or un-mask e-bike depending on their feelings about them,

 

Regards

Kevin

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  • Real shame when I ride old fashion none electric bike I get loads of segments, when I ride E bike I get very few. I have created segments but they are just duplicates and I get my times taken down when on std bike saying I'm on electric!

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  • Pim van Helten's question seems very apt.  I'm 76 and riding a newly-converted DIY road e-bike.  I have bad knees and wear a pacemaker.  The e-bike lets me ride further and stay with fit (and younger cyclists) on rides. Unfortunately, I live in an e-bike desert and may be the only recreational road cyclist on an e-bike in my area.  I was flagged in a group ride yesterday by an unhappy cyclist.  When I converted my ride to an e-bike activity, I had zero segments.  I'm also pre-computer in my skills, and I've never created a segment--relying on those created by others who know how to do those things.

    It would be nice if Strava would just put something like an * on an e-bike segment mixed with regular bikes.  Then the "real" riders could discount the leaderboard results, while the e-bike rider gets to compare his/her times with other riders.  That's a good part of the fun.

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  • Do Strava even read this?

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  • Of course, group rides also could be a separate category.  Rode over 20mph once on a group ride.  No way I could have done it alone.

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  • Recording E-Bikes is fine for personal use but fundamentally problematic if trying to compare E-Bike riders against each other. By all means have separate leader boards but you're listing vehicles of different powers and is akin to racing Minis against Ferraris - who are the faster drivers? Probably the Ferrari drivers!

    Of course they cannot be listed against against pedal-power, that'd be cheating.

    Keep it fun :)

     

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  • @dirk i can feel your discomfort for e-bikes, they are amazing training tools and it would be nice to have an easy way to compare them to real segments, you are obviously a hater and your comments don't add anything to growing our community. After reading your comments i don't think you understand, so im not going to waste my time. Good luck hating.

    @strava making a copy segment to e-bike segments would be very helpful if you don't want to mix them or the option to do the segmentation by  age group and type of bike is a great idea. I think the second one makes more sense especially for people that ride different types of bikes.

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  • @Manolo: Please don‘t call me a hater. I am not! My wife owns an EBike for commuting. What I do dislike are leadboards impurified by Ebikes. Many of their rider are simply unaware of selecting the right category. But some of them know what they are doing, they like to huff regular bikers. 

    Some posts ago I made the suggestion for a copy function, although segments for Ebikes don‘t make much sense in my view (they might make sense for some downhill stuff). 

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  • @Elle Anderson

    I'm afraid you made the wrong decision then. Of course it would be better to have it a Ebike segment filter, so please reconsider. Then the ebike people would not be tempted to post their rides as normal rides, which obviously is the case at he moment since the ebike category do not work very well. If you also make it possible to save your default filter settings, the people that don't want to see ebikes on the lists would not ever have to see them. It would be like there are no ebikes... Problem solved!

    At the same time the people riding ebikes could compare themselves to normal riders if they have the desire. I mainly perform enduro-like riding and on the segments I focus on there would be be no benefit riding an ebike. And letting the ebikes in would only mean more riders to compare yourselves against, which is positive in my opinion. 

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  • @ELLE and STRAVA

    one year passed and still no news for the eBike segments ??

    I stopped my premium account and lot of my friends who ride eBikes are waiting to have same sagments for normal and electric bikes as we all ride both segments !

    we are in July 2018 and no news more from your side ...

    Now that's not proffessional !

    Thanks

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  • I think he didn't read all the comments above ...

    One day he will try an Ebike and will see that it is a different sport where you can have lot fun climbing mountains

    And that comment doesn't really help us or will help Strava to make a simply fonction to duplicate a segment from one category to another ...

    Dear STRAVA, I am a great coder and can contribute on your website and help you by doing that !

    just ask me

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  • A year since last update from Strava here?!? 

    Why is nothing happening? Will for sure cancel my premium/summit if this is not added as an option on strava. 

    Just got an EMTB and don't want to use the "hide from leaderboard" function since that will mess up the PR's! Don't want those to be  "smashed" when riding an Ebike and not being able to easily see difference between categories. 

     

    Please fix! 

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  • Great feedback Kevin, we appreciate it. I know this is something we discussed when we created the E-Bike category. 

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  • E-bike segments do not seem to work as "live segments" with strava premium.

    I have created ebike segments, but they refuse to synchronise with my garmin edge, If I create the same segments as regular bike rides they appear.

     

    Can this be resolved?

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  • Any news on that? I've the same issues. I would appreciate it to copy existing segments in an easy way and synchronize it to Garmin 

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  • I prefer it when e-bike segments are not copied automatically from unassisted bike segments, to prevent the tantalizing amount of irrelevant segments to spill over. A copy button would be nice, but not necessary, I never found it hard to create e-bike segments from the start.

    The only problem with e-bike segments so far is, that they doesn't include rides in the leader map that were uploaded before the creation of the segment.

    Of course the motor power has it's share in the result, but that is intended and normal cycling segments aren't very fair either because they include rides with different wind speeds, riding alone and in groups and so on.

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  • Hi Elle, an example is https://www.strava.com/activities/391590648/segments/14669583/potential-segment-matches

    The first three "potential" matches I had matched perfectly and Strava doesn't contradict :) The first two segments I had created 6 days ago and the third one 3 days ago.

    Normally when I create a new ebike segment I go to my old rides and switch them back to normal ride and forth to ebike again. Thus I force Strava to to calculate the ebike segments immediately. Good that I forget the mentioned ride else I wouldn't have had an example.

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  • @Piers Exactly, I think that's a great idea.

    Personally I'm not so interested in getting the best time for XYZ segment, I recently started using Strava to compare various routes on my own daily commute (I'm doing this by setting up private segments that start and end at the same place, but take different roads/trails). However, it would definitely be cool to compare my times on segments I hit with other riders, both regular bikers and e-bikers. Currently the only way to do this is if I cheated and said my ebike was a regular bike, which of course could make some current KOMs angry, not to mention it's against Strava's community rules.

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  • Pete Searle,
    If you edit the activity, you can change the activity from 'e bike ride' back to 'ride'. You can do the same for which bike you were on. When you save it the regular segments will be restored.

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  • So having read the range of comments I can see it from both sides.

    I accept the futility of comparing one motor against another but the reality of e-mtb for me is comparing my own normal mtb against my e-mtb.

    The other factor is the extra 10kg does effect the bike and it’s not a given that it will be quicker.

    We have local segment times that just can’t be real so not all the data in the database is correct any way.

    I still feel that my original request would be a good solution “included e-bikes in the main section of Strava and give the option for people to either mask or un-mask e-bike depending on their feelings about them”.

    So come on Strava are you going to do anything about this?

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  • Ecky Thump I can swap from one to the other but I've been taken off KOM for doing that when I was riding a std bike and Strava said I was on an E Bike. 

    Looking at the results from some races in the past couple of months E bikes are not coming in the top half so not sure what the problem is with using the same segments. Until then I'll keep duplicating segments so we can use them 

    Just done a ride this morning and before I changed it to e bike from ride I had 33pb and 1KOM changed it to e bike I had 1 2nd pb and nothing else just 7 or 8 times, where did all the other segments go? 

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  • Pete Searle.

    Have you created each bike in 'my equipment'?
    I have a profile for each bike and I swap them when I edit the activity to the appropriate ride type.
    My Garmin watch automatically uploads to Strava as a regular ride when it connects to my phone, I have to go back to edit it to e bike ride.

    Not being able to copy the segments over is a real pain. It leaves us with the laborious task of recreatin the segments we want in e bike ride.
    Until folk get onboard to recreate them e bike rides will be left unpopulated with segments I'm afraid.
    Like you, I have been creating them as I go to different places. However some segments are impossible to do since Strava have blocked any new segments less than 0.1 mile, probably not an issue for road riders but a real pain for mtb.

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  • Fair comment about expensive bikes - but as we all know it's the weight of the rider that counts. Sitting on a cheaper bike and focussing on losing a few pounds pays dividends and saves a fortune. What is relevant is that all motive power is muscle based, you cannot justify putting a motor into the mix and thinking it makes sense. Whilst Strava is not governed by UCI it should follow its lead.

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  • It' also a shame that if you make a segment and get a KOM it dosent show up in your KOM achievement list, it only shows on the segment list

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  • I also ride both normal mtb and e-mtb. I change all normal segments to ebike segments very hard to do. Would be nice if it could be copied or something. I live in Europe and here 250watt is the maximum power allowed. So if the ebike rides the trail it mostly original bikes with Bosch Bafang or Yamaha motor with maximum 250watts. Of course I am faster then human powered bikes but why do non ebikers do not see that it just another type of cycling. Try it and you're sold. I do both so I can know it! If Strava would improve the ebike in there app, more ebikers would choose ebike instead of normal bike in the segments. Gr Dennis

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  • @Craig You're a complete ignoramus.

    @Strava I will chime in and say that I've created dozens of e-bike segments for the Bay Area, and it's been nothing but a delight doing so.

    Just ride.

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  • I also stopped paying for premium Strava and know others that have until segments are sorted. I get offers of free premium Strava regularly and always e mail them back say sort segments but nothing. In the alps a few weeks ago emtbs out numbered mtbs 2-1 so Strava will have to do something.

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  • Why are E bikes even visible on segments. They should have their own. Why would I try to compete with a motor (cycle) on a normal bike, it is not a fair match.... I have  afriend who has run several segments with a T max just to nail the KOM's...how fair is that????

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  • Olivier - E-bikes are not supposed to be on the regular bike leaderboards/segments. If you see that happen, you should flag the activity and select "wrong activity type" from the list of options.

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  • Well, at least show ebikers standing grayed out and visible only for ebikers. I like to compare my ebike times with profesional cyclists. 

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  • Henrik Huhtinen  I've stopped the premium payment and got back to the free one as it's not worth paying when there no segments but for free it's worth it.

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