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E-Bike category has no segments

Hi,

I hired an e-mtb and rode on some of my regular trails.

I uploaded as an e-bike which to my disappointment had a completely different set of segments.

It would be far better if it included e-bikes (but marked as e-bike) in the main section of Strava so that we can ride our favourite segments and rate them against our own times and our followed and followers.

If they are in the main section you could have an option for people to either mask or un-mask e-bike depending on their feelings about them,

 

Regards

Kevin

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  • Comentario oficial

    Thanks everyone. We're not able to copy all cycling segments to the e-bike category at this time. Hopefully, the community is well on it's way to creating new segments for e-bikes. 

    One other tip - if you'd like to list your e-bike ride as a cycling activity in order to track your progress on existing segments, you can do so IF you select the "Hide from Segment Leaderboard" option

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  • I can only agree with this - there are also very few e-bike specific segments at present and no easy way to duplicate non-ebike segments to become ebike ones.

    I cycle both ebike and traditional pedal cycle - I would also like to be able to compare my own time differences between different bike types easily - KB's suggestion would make this possible.

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  • @dirk You obviously don't ride ebikes or understand the possibilities they open up to tackle and conquer (if you have the skills), steep climbs that are impossible On normal bikes. Think about hard enduro races like erzberg or Romaniacs. Do you think the guy with the biggest motor wins? Of course not, the guy with the most skill wins. Just watch some videos of Graham Jarvis ride. Most guys ride 300cc 2 strokes rather than 450 or 500cc 4 strokes anyway. Does the guy with the lightest mountain bike always win the KOM on the traditional mountain bike segments? Of course not.

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  • LOL. Sounds like you should be walking mate, thats pure human power ;)

    What is real biking anyway? It's just as real when I conquer a climb on my eMTB that was previously impossible on my old carbon XC bike. Its just as real when I ride my Alu CX bike faster on the street than my eBike can go. It's just as real when I shift into 5th gear pinned on my 58hp Motocross bike. True biking to me is having fun on two wheels, not your narrow definition.

    Anyway, as I ride up steep hills past people walking on their DH and enduro bikes as happens on every ride, you can be sure what i am doing is closer to real, true biking than the guys walking up. 

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  • Please,Strava, just copy bike segments to ebike segments. Why should I copy all manually? No point!

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  • Yes, please allow e-bike scoreboards on segments, would be really appreciated. I ride eBike most of the time now as I simply have more fun and get to climb up things that would be impossible on a normal bike, and get about 3 x as much downhill runs in as well in the same time, I also love Strava, but at the moment it really doesnt offer the same functionality when you set it to an eBike ride. 

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  • @Dirk the problem is twofold:

    1) Why should I spend my time duplicating segments as EBike segments when the data is already there for these segments in the Strava database? It is also non-trivial to make the segment exactly the same - a "clone segment" option would lessen the pain.   I ride both non-assisted and pedal assisted bikes - I would like to be able to compare segment times across all my bikes - it's all my cycling data - this would only be possible by me corrupting my data by pretending my assisted rides are non-assisted (which is clearly stupid)

    2)  Ebike rides are not a "default" ride type on Strava.  Even if I set my Garmin to an Ebike profile, by the time it uploads it becomes a non-assisted ride type which opens it up to being Flagged and removed.  I have to manually edit my ride details from my phone / the web sometime after Garmin Connect shares the data to Strava.

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  • Hi Jan, new Strava Segments should look back in our database and match all qualifying E-Bike activities in the past, before the segment was created. However, this may take up to 24 hours. Can you give us some examples if this appears not to be the case? 

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  • Dear Strava,

    Please make it like this:

    If a ride is changed to "ebike ride" the segments for bikes should still be visible (no need for separate category!) and a separate leaderboards should be displayed, one with the leaderboard of real bikers and second one with the leaderboard of ebikers. It's a cool feature. Ebikers can compare times with cyclists.

    Instead of duplicating database of segments you can add separate leaderboards, which I guess, may take less space. I suppose that expectations of ebikers are pretty much the same as expectations of classic bikers. So the segments for ebikers are ready and present worldwide. Why should ebikers create a database which will be 90% the same? Is there a need for that?

     

    Thanks!

     

     

     

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  • You are a total jerk Craig. If it doesn't interest you, go somewhere a find a life.

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  • Dear Strava,

    What are you waiting for to dupiclate mtb segments to emtb category?

    Nothing hard to do since you have allready all the data in your database. 

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  • @michael that's a good idea, perhaps if there was just a filter function for all segments it could work too, so you could filter by road bike, CX, XC, enduro, DH or eBike on the same segments. I pass through a lot of street segments on my regular mountain bike which of course I have zero chance of getting a good time on against the guys on their road bikes, so would be interesting to see where I actually stood against a similar bike. You can filter by ages at the moment so why not filter by the kind of bike you are riding?

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  • Another vote for an easy segment copy across to e bike ride as I do not want to contaminate the regular lists.

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  • Dear Strava,

    Please explain why you enable the option to tag rides with 'E-Bike Ride', but disable all other relevant functions. What is your vision on the future of the E-Bike section within your community?

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  • "Unfortunately, we're not able to simply copy all cycling segments to the e-bike category. Hopefully the community is well on it's way to creating new segments for e-bikes. "

    Why not?  Is it a lack of space in the database, or a lack of available talent to write the appropriate SQL statement?

    If it is lack of space, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE just give us a "Copy Segment" button to clone an existing non E-Bike segment to be an E-Bike segment.

     

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  • Great suggestion Pete, but treating E-bike rides as a segment filter like age and weight has already been considered. The decision was made to create a separate activity type. We are also examining a similar situation for mountain biking. 

    I'll definitely make note of the suggestion to provide a copy function to an existing cycling segment to duplicate it for another activity type. I think this sounds like a great idea, and I hope it's possible. 

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  • Instead of a copy function, ebikes should be just a different category on the same segment. I just started using Strava and looks like I will stop using it just as soon.

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  • Why does everything have to turn into motor/no motor discussion? Somehow I’m not surprised, people want to control what imaginary beings other people lie they believe in, and what they do and who with in their bedrooms, so controlling what kind of bikes other people ride just comes naturally..

    All e-bikers want is to be able to use the same segments in e-bike category, with our own leaderboards, not to compete in the same leaderboards as normal bikes. It is just insane to have to manually ride&draw all the segments already existing in Strava.

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  • "Nowadays E-Bikes more and more become a plague polluting our leader boards"

     

    Maybe if Strava made the effort to improve segments for e-bikes, that wouldnt be a problem. e-bikes are getting more and more popular, and believe it or not, people do use them to help with general fitness, so a way to compare yourself is a good thing.

    Maybe e-bikers should log their rides as normal bike rides to take as many KOM's as possible and maybe something will change to stop the lycra brigade from crying their eyes out.

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  • First the negative out the way-
    But you are competing against others unfairly, I understand your case with a pacemaker, and find it impressive to dedicate time to keep healthy despite disability, my grandad had a pacemaker, so I can understand the life change, kudos to you. I understand the pacemaker and bad knees can take a huge toll, but by using an e-bike against people who use power is not fair. These guys have dedicated time to improve themselves and put blood sweat and tears into every segment they have done, naturally. I give everything to sometimes scrape into the top 10 in my area, and am in awe to the daily dedication that others put in and deservedly achieve better than me, Dirk included (he's a machine).

    I however wholeheartedly agree, allowing you to keep up with others with electric power (strava aside) despite a pacemaker and bad knees is a good part of e-bikes-but you can learn by using YouTube and learning how to create segments in your area.

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  • Subsequently about 2 years ago at the end of the summer when I peaked my fitness for that year, I went on a tour with a guy with an e-bike, he wasn't in good shape, bought it (and I can understand its usefulness in summer commuting) and completely destroyed me when the gradient gotmtoo heavy. You can't compete. And if he had strava I would feel pretty sour because the effort was solely with a battery and light pedalling.

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  • Elle Anderson

    "Thanks everyone, 

    Unfortunately, we're not able to simply copy all cycling segments to the e-bike category. Hopefully the community is well on it's way to creating new segments for e-bikes. 

    One other tip - if you'd like to list your e-bike ride as a cycling activity in order to track your progress on existing segments, you can do so IF you select the "Hide from Segment Leaderboard" option"

     

    Why not just make E bike a class in ride like weight and age, then the segments would show and results would be in the right class. Simple 

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  • Dirk sorry didn’t mean ebikes against “real” bikes. Someone said in a comment it would be difficult for ebikes as they have different power capacities and couldn’t be put together. I was saying all ebikes should be together regardless of battery power as “real” bikes have different benefits. That’s what I meant by Jaguar bikes. 😉 Just want to be able to compare to other ebikes and also put segments in. So far not managed to do any of these. 🚲

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  • Strava , when are you going to address the Ebike issue over segments , i can see that the issue has been raised well over 12 months ago and we are still facing the same issues, you've just changed from premium to summit to make more money for strava so why don't you listen to your customers and create a separate leaderboard on the same segments or allow us to copy across to ebike category. Strava is not fit for purpose for E bikes and is definitely not value for money. I'm am not sure if i will continue paying for summit.

     

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  • Get with the modern age Dirk. 

    Real bikers Lmao. 

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  • I guess you have never ridden an e-bike to know that you are still the force behind the speed?

    Why not do away with regular segments? After all, the lightest lycra clad cyclist on the lightest bike will always be fastest.

    Or perhaps all e-bikers should log their rides as regular bike rides and take all the KOM's?

     

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  • Hi Jan, I've created a support ticket on your behalf to make it easier for me and my team to follow up about the segment issue you've reported. Thanks! 

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  • I'd just like to add that I'd also love to see any of the ideas mentioned here implemented - an easy "copy" button from regular segments to e-bike, or the ability to turn on/off e-bike viewing in the regular segments. And, of course, the ability to search e-bike segments!

    I have a strong feeling there are a lot of segments near me that the leaders are actually e-bikers. One segment in particular, you have to start from a near dead-stop going uphill the whole way... I did this on my ebike and was going faster than I thought possible by even the fittest of bikers (my motor pumps out 1500W), yet I was still 20% slower than the supposed "regular-bike" leaders!

    If any of the ideas above were implemented, I think e-bikers would stop cheating as they would still have segments to compete for.

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  • I've been riding my ebike for nearly a year and it was suggested to me to ride but not record on Strava. I would love to record in segments like normal bikes. I'm 65 love my ebike but need some competition to compare my times. If there's no other bikes in my area the segments would let me compete against myself. Thanks.

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  • Real shame when I ride old fashion none electric bike I get loads of segments, when I ride E bike I get very few. I have created segments but they are just duplicates and I get my times taken down when on std bike saying I'm on electric!

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