Segments which only apply to your Club(s)

Is there any option to add Segments which only apply to the clubs you are in?  There are loads of segments which are duplicated or just wrong etc.  Or is there a better way for us to manage them?

addendum:

What if Strava made it easier to filter segment results by your club, and pulled this feature into the club page? For example, if there was another tab on the Club page for "Club Segments", the club could select some number of existing segments, and have the club-only segment results displayed there. In one glance, a club member could review the designated Club segments and track leaderboard changes, etc. 

Even better, add a time filter component, such as showing club leaderboard results from 'this date to that date'.

Thoughts? 

 

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  • Very much need club only segments, especially where some routes are sensitive, private, cheeky etc so you only want to share with the members of the club.

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  • It would be GREAT to have invitation-only segments. I hate public segments in Strava now... too many cheaters and segment-hunters who just wait for a giant tail-wind and then go ride a segment over and over again in a single ride until they steal a legit KOM. So now I use mostly private segments for my own enjoyment and training, but it would be much more fun to be able to invite friends, family members and club members to also see these segments, but NOT the general public, so we can compete against each other only. Would make Strava fun again...

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  • Agree, and take it one step further: add King of Club and club specific Trophies. I'm not trying, nor will I be able to beat the pros who ride in my area. I just want to compete against my friends. I want the opportunity to be King of Club, and lord it over them :)

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  • Fantastic idea, It is demoralizing to compare my times to the pros in my area, but to challenge my riding buddies. Great idea! Doug in San Diego
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  • Yes, club only segments or invitation only segments would be great.

    Although I'm not a member of a club, maybe it could be possible to create a private segment, then have an option to share the segment with others, or make another class of private segments that is only visible to your followers.

    I mainly would use this just to make a segment that me and others I know run regularly, but don't want to create a public segment and junk up the already cluttered segment map in my area.

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  • The more I use Strava, the more disenchanted I am with it. It seems common sense that if the system is supposed to be a social network application then you should be able to set different levels of privacy, rather than 1)everyone can see it or 2)nobody can see it. Why is there not a feature to share a segment or create a challenge only visible to you and your friends? This seems like a pretty basic feature that the developers at Strava have overlooked.

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  • Any segment can be filtered to only shop club members so this is not an issue. To have a segment that is 'private' would also imply you would want  the ride you uploaded also 'private' if you are wanting to keep others away from the 'cheeky segment'. But having KOC (King of Club) seems like a great innovation. Having been on strava for 3 years now I know that in time they do implement lots of great ideas and I am sure all this will come. So Cactus F. I think you are over reacting a bit.

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  • Making the whole ride limited to the club members would be fine. Or you can just split up the ride so post the cheeky sections and those leading up to them separately. Cheeky is a big reason for this need to me as a huge amount of trails that were not publicly known and potentially sensitive are showing up now, and a lot of damage is occurring because of Strava, and land owners are getting upset. In the past while some they objected to many they tolerated on their land because it wasn't much impact. Likewise small groups of locals are less likely to try to sue the landowner when they crash than the masses of weekend warriors who are being reckless or barely been on a bike before.

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  • Aside from cheeky, sometimes you just want to keep the ride between friends and may not want it to count on the main leaderboard.

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  • Oh, and one other case I know - MOD (Defence land) in the UK. They have authorised use by bikes in places, some trails even built by the army, but they also have a policy of not publicly publishing trails. Some groups now require you don't publish GPS tracks because they'll go public. Yet it would be interesting to compare the rides just between group members.

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  • Would love to see 'invite only' challenges - we could create our own ride to work challenges etc.
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  • Yes, "invite only" segments and challenges is really needed now... our family rides and racec (road and CX) with a few clubs and groups of people and there is a lot of interest in doing this, but again, only as "semi-private" so we can just keep it among friends, and keep the whole thing fun and friendly and not full of hundreds of local ding-dongs who seem to make a full-time job of KOM-hunting (and there are SO many useless overlapping and duplicate segments already anyway...)

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  • You can view/filter a segment based on who you are following which is essentially a "club segment".

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  • "You can view/filter a segment based on who you are following which is essentially a "club segment"."

    That's true, and you can filter by club also. However the segments on there are still public to all. We need an element of privacy for segments between private to yourself only and full public. i.e. for cheeky or sensitive routes or events where you don't want the entire public doing the route or attempting to keep events managed rather than have general public racing without control.

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  • What reason would you have for not wanting "the public" to ride a public available route? I don't think it is  bid deal if someone does a race course on a different day than the race itself. You can filter by date anyway. By cheeky do you mean dangerous? or like "fastest through a shopping mall" cheeky? And anyway, a duplicate "non privatized" version of the same segment would just get created anyway.

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  • I own a big piece of land with some trails that my friends helped me build. In return, they're welcome to ride them anytime they like, but I don't want just anybody seeing those segments and riding them.
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  • Strava needs to add Club Level Trophies for segments as well as Club Level Segment Privacy - it is encouraging when amateur riders can compete with friends and coworkers but it becomes discouraging when we all have to compete at a professional level.  We have a small group of riders at work that have been riding segments we created *behind the security gate* at our private work campus.  We have enjoyed the private competition but now the local pros have discovered our segments are crashing the security gate and (easily) taking all the trophies they can get.  We readily acknowledge their superior riding skill and capacity - we cannot ride 150+ miles every week because we are not sponsored pro/semi-pro riders and never will be.  But that doesn't mean we do not enjoy a private level of amateur competition that can be kept at a club level.  Yes - you can sort your performance at a  Club level but no accolades are awarded for your activity unless you are among the very best out of everyone who has ever ridden the segment.

    We always knew the day would come when our pseudo-private segments would be discovered and it is disappointing now that it has arrived.  There is a parallel behavior in chess called "playing down" wherein a player will always challenge opponents with significantly lower ratings which gives them a strong probability of winning in exchange for a very small increment in their rating.  This is typical of players who can't stand losing.  It is undoubted that when the local pros discovered our segment(s) and saw our amateur times, they saw a free candy scenario and went for it.  I don't blame them - it is the nature of competition, but it is disappointing and discouraging that we have to constantly compete against the very best riders *overall* regardless of our ambition or skill.  Strava could be so much more with Club level trophies - our segment privacy lasted about two years (surprisingly) and it is difficult to underestimate how strongly motivating the trophies have been.  We all work together and talk vigorously when the trophies changed owners, but now all of the trophies will be all out of our reach forevermore.  It is as if we were in a local amateur chess club that was crashed by a Grandmaster chess champion whom we have no hope of defeating but can do nothing to keep out and who is only interested in taking away our sense of accomplishment.  We are not, after all, professional riders.

    Strava needs to add either club segments and/or club trophies just to keep us amateurs motivated and rewarded at a local personal level.  It doesn't cost them anything and it does not distract from the overall leader boards where the pros can compete with one another.  What it does add is a strong sense of accomplishment and friendly competition among a small private group of riders that know one another and can talk smack in their own circles about trophies that are meaningful only to them and at their level.  A trophy, even if it is virtual and club level, means something even to an amateur and is surprisingly motivating.  Come on Strava, do the right and simple thing.  Your role in all this is to encourage physical activity and competition.   By compelling everyone to compete at a professional level or not at all you discourage amateurs and weekend warriors from seeking virtual rewards that cost you nothing and mean a lot at the personal level.  The only solution we currently have it to delete the segment(s) so that the pro crowd is not whipped into a competitive fury and are not crashing security gates just to take something away from a group of freely admitted amateurs.

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  • I don't think Segments should not be private or club only. However there should be a filter available to filter per club. 
    Having trophies per club would be a great addition though. 

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  • It already available as a feature in the filters

     

     

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  • @Eric Filters are great, but do not accomplish what we are asking for. If I have the fastest time of my Club, I want a Club specific KOM, or trophies if I'm in the top 10 of my club. I want them to show up on my rides, and to get notified when someone in my club beats my club specific KOM. Essentially it allows competing strictly against, and to get the recognition of being the fastest among your group of friends.

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  • Well, I think there's too much recognition.  Like KOM for anything but a categorized climb.  Its called King of the Mountain.

    If its bragging rights you want among your club, then those in the club know who's who, but it shouldn't be KOM trophies for anything but the best time.

    Run the club filter, screen shot it, and post it to your Facebook page.  Make a Group for your club on Facebook, and share your achievements among the club there.

    In my opinion, KOM is a misnomer.  Unless it a categorized climb, it shouldn't be a KOM.  Make them little jersey icons that are synonymous with bike racing, and only give them to the best times overall, male/female.  

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  • The average rider has no chance of getting any trophies, KOMs, or whatever you want to call them. Especially in areas where there are a lot of pro or expert riders. Furthermore, I don't think the average rider cares as much how they compare to the pros, but only how they compare to their group of friends.

    If a club specific segment and achievement feature doesn't appeal to you, that's fine, you don't have to use it. It obviously appeals to other Strava users. Your suggestion to "Run the club filter, screen shot it, and post it to your Facebook page, etc.... "  is just lame.

     

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  • Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion that my idea is lame.

    So I'll share my opinion.  Wanting special recognition on a segment, where you're really not the fastest is lame.

    The idea of club exclusive segments is a worthy idea.  Wanting recognition by eliminating those better than you, lame.

    If you want to track your fitness, make your segments private.  If you want recognition.  Earn it.

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  • Maybe we are not on the same page. I'm assuming club level recognition would only be visible to members of the club itself. I fail to see why anyone would even care if other users have the option of getting recognition in the privacy of their own club, where they are competing against their friends, and not the world in general. You would never see it, so what difference does it make to you?

    I can understand your opposition if you thought the public leaderboards would be filled with these club level trophies. I would be opposed to that as well.

     

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  • As it has been reported… Club level recognition is visible. The leader in the club gets ranked first in the club/followers filter. You just don't get a little KOM unless you have earned it. I really do not see the big deal. That rider is not the KOM as defined by Strava. I didn't think "printing it off" or "screen capturing to Facebook" was a) A bad idea or b) an insult. Would your entire club not know the first person at the top of the list as the fastest in the club? … and the KOM as defined by your club?You could even make secondary accounts for your "club approved rides" and ensure your followers were only from that club etc.

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  • At the risk of beating a dead horse, yes it's possible to use the filters and determine who is currently the 'KOM' of your club. The problem is that is a very time consuming and tedious process. To go through every segment that is important to you, on a regular basis, to try and determine if the club level leaderboard has changed, or if someone in your club has taken any of your fastest club times, is completely unnecessary. The functionality of automated notification and of trophy icons is already built into Strava. These are what make it so powerful.

    Simply apply the existing functionality, privately at the club level, and you have significantly increased the appeal of using Strava for users who are not elite riders.

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  • To me, as a mountain biker, the more important feature is keeping certain segments private to a group as the trail may be private access or sensitive. A major problem with mountain biking is Strava has made a lot more public and easier to find, and local trails that got ridden by just a few people are getting heavily worn by hundreds. They in turn come to the attention of the land owner who may have tolerated them before but decide to put them beyond use for fear of lawsuits from accidents.

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  • So you are OK with the landowner accepting responsibility for your potential accidents just not those from others partially because you are concerned it will remove your future ability to trespass/ride these trails. Furthermore, you want recognition as the KOM from Strava who's model is built on global data sharing of segments but you don't want too many people to have access. Aside for choosing not to trespass, why not just keep your ride private and share the time with the people you are concerned with. A KOM by Strava's definition is a segment which everyone has access to challange.  I really do not understand why the current filter model does not work. One would think if a segment/issue/picture etc was truly sensitive the users would choose not to publically share the data on the Internet. You appear to want to share the data, just with a closed group of "friends". It appears directly apposed to what Strava is doing.

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  • Just give in.

     

    Jeez, I get an email for this thread, with your comments zooming back and forth. And it sounds like my kids arguing in the back seat of the car .

     

    First, to STRAVA  - People want this feature. Just make it (how hard can it be?)

    2nd to the Anti-Private segment people - Take it easy tough guy. Some of us don't ride 400 miles a week, and we just want to "compete" with our friends (Is that really such a big deal to you?)

     

    Finally, to the I want a private segment crew - Try "Map my Ride"  Just about the same as STRAVA, but fewer olympic-caliber-users. I  use it, and it works very well. 

    When I want to see how I am doing vs my friends, I check MapMyRide. When I want to say,  "Oh my god, how did he get up that hill that fast?" I use STRAVA

     

    Doug in San Diego

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  • Competitive folk, usually work hard at their craft, and generally are not accustomed to "giving in". 

    Lazy folk tend to want  special recognition for mediocre accomplishments.  This makes people who work hard at their craft very annoyed, and they don't care if the lazy folk don't like it.

    If you simply want to see how you fair within your club, the filters get the job done.  Wanting special recognition by eliminating better results via a private segment, so you can have a little trophy icon on your profile page is stupid.  If you want a private segment, then your little icon trophy should be private too.

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