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Manually add Training Load to activities for Fitness & Freshness graph

It would be very helpful to be able to add manual TSS estimates to rides. I live in a pretty brutal winter climate and don't risk bringing my crank-mounted power meter on some of the more snow-ridden, submerged, occasionally airborne training rides I do in the winter, so when I return from a 5 hour frostbitten epic I don't really have a good assessment of what the effect on my fatigue/fitness would be. It'd be handy to be able to punch in some kind of guess so I can better keep track of my fitness curves. Just a thought.

 

Thanks!

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  • For all of you that have had the same problem as me, I've moved to Cycling Analytics.  It allows manual entry for your daily TSS so you can keep your workload chart current.   I still use Strava to share rides with friends but no longer have any need for a premium version.  Of course, they have you hogtied, because if you subscribed via your iphone app, they tell you they can't give you a refund and that you have to go through Apple.  What a hassle so I'll just let it run out and not renew, so they know they got my money for the year. 

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  • I will also stop the premium subscription if a solution isn't created by the end of the year. This is really pretty ridiculous. I did the whole Rapha Rising challenge on my MTB, and as a result, it shows me as taking a week off.

    Amazing that no one on their staff has commented.
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  • I've had cause for this on several occasions where I didn't have power data, such as battery failure, lost magnet, different bike, etc.  In most cases I could take a good guess on training load based on previous rides.

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  • I see that the TRIMP based training load is planned (thanks for the link tony m).  That's a good step.  However it really isn't a replacement for this request.  All we really want is to be able to override calculated training load - which might be '0' if no power meter, or might be out of whack if the PM messed up.  Likewise, I'll be happy to use TRIMP for training load if riding without PM, but I want to be able to override it if the TRIMP doesn't seem reasonable.  Furthermore, I don't always race with a HRM (cyclocross in particular), so I'll still have rides with '0' training load.  PLEASE just let us override the calculated training load!!

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  • 100% agree with Rich, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE ...

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  • Its only been a year since this thread was started.  This was something that could have been added in one day.  Honestly, I would have canceled my premium subscription long ago until they got it implemented, but when you try to cancel, they pass the buck and say I have to go through Apple since I purchased my Strava premium subscription through the Apple app.  That's a bunch of nonsense because they know its not worth the hassle.  So I'll just let my premium account end when it ends and consider myself ripped off for ten bucks.  Its not the ten bucks that's really the issue.  Its just all the hassle and unresponsiveness that is unforgivable. Oh well, live  and learn. 

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  • I gave up waiting for this simple innovation. My form and fitness graph is rendered useless whenever I hop on the MTB, with no power. I let my subscription run out and have switched to Cycling Analytics.

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  • Dear Strava, please can you us a brief explanation why this simple feature is not available to power meter users who pay for the dubious privilege of having a premium account? The only reason people on this thread have a premium account is for the fitness/freshness feature that is rendered completely useless if you occasionally train on a different bike or do gym work. I am already successfully using Golden Cheetah that lets me manually adjust training load for free. Power meter users have paid a lot of money on equipment to analyse their performance. Unfortunately Strava is not fit for this purpose. My annual subscription ends soon and I have no intention of renewing. I will continue to use Strava only the free segment features. I'm very disappointment in the lack of official comment on this matter.
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  • Yes, the "training load using HR (i.e. TRIMP)" feature does appear to be live, thanks tony m.  At first I didn't know what you meant, because you can't actually see the calculated TRIMP on the activity's page (which is more than a little annoying).  However I now see that most of my activities actually do have training loads associated with them on the Fitness & Freshness page.  This is a good first step, but as already mentioned by me and others, I have lots of rides (and reasons) that I don't use an HRM for, and I really need to be able to manually enter training load, if Fitness & Freshness is going to be of any use at all.

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  • Hi Rich, yes it would be good to see "TRIMP" in activity plus being able to manually edit.  However my Fitness & Freshness graph is a lot more usable now.  I always wear HR monitor on my rides it is just a other  couple of other activities each week where I cannot wear it that are not accounted for.

    I do not understand why no-one from Strava comments on this request.

     

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  • Thanks for picking up on the change! The recent change with the Fitness & Freshness graph relates to this Feature Suggestion: 

    https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/25740155

    Now you can see your heart rate estimated TSS along with the power meter data. Or, you can separate the data using the menu at the top of the graph:

    http://app.strava.com/athlete/fitness

    I'm going to leave this feature suggestion as is, as we still have not developed the specific feature to manually enter a TSS score. However, if you have feedback for how the heart rate estimation works, or questions, please refer to the link above. 

     

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  • Apologies, the release I mentioned above seems to have been delayed to the end of this week or next! 

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  • It appears that the menu to separate the data source is now live.

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  • Yes, this was finally released today! 

    You will now see estimated values for training impulse based on your heart rate data/sufferscore. This estimation is based on the relationship of training load and your sufferscore. 

    You can view your F&F graph for the combined Heartrate monitor and Power meter, or each of the data types separately. Namely, if you ride a bike without a power meter, Strava will now fill in the gaps by estimating your training impulse using HR data. 

    Let me know if you have any questions! 

    Strava_Fitness_Freshness.jpg

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  • Yes, @Rich and @Jeff - 

    I completely understand, and I apologize for not communicating this better in my first post! 

    This feature suggestion still stands as valid and has not yet been implemented by Strava. It is still something worth considering, and clearly a feature that many users would like to see on Strava. 

    I simply meant to pass along news of a related feature suggestion that HAD been released! 

    Please keep the support and comments coming in regard to the original feature suggestion proposed here. Thanks! 

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  • +1. F&F needs manual input option, otherwise even small glitches in power data (battery dies, connect issues) seriously skews the curve.

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  • Attached is an example of a ride needing manual input. Note that Weighted Average Power is shown as 1watt for 70 miles due to connection issue with power meter. Impulse for this ride is shown as 0 (zero), and the exact same ride a few weeks prior has training impulse of 310. A week later my power meter battery died halfway through another ride- training impulse is shown as 300 where the same ride registered almost 400 a few weeks prior. The very next week I had other issues over multiple rides rides while dialing in new power meters until the problems were finally fixed. These few power meter issues lost an estimated 700-800 impulse points over a 2 week period, which greatly affects the curve for ALL DATA following.

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  • Great improvement!

    I have only heart rate on the bike, so until now only trainer sessions were used on the F&F graph. Thanks!

    For making this usable for multisporters you could 

    1) use Heart rate based TSS when possible for other activities; runs, nordic ski,   - etcetera

    2) Manually enter RPE for the acitivity, do some calculation with the duration time and come up with a TSS; for swim, crossfit - etcetera 

     

    And for the visualization you add a column with all activity types recorded in your history where you tick the boxes for the types of activity you want to use for calculation of the F&F graph.

     

    Lastly, add a zooming feature. I have several years of data now making it hard to make historic comparition, zooming in eg. summer 2012 would be nice.

     

     

     

    Is it just cycling at the moment ?I see There are several activit

    http://www.strava.com/activities/211437835/overview

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  •  I simply don't get the lack of a manual edit.  

     After successfully using the Fitness&Freshness graph with Power & HR data to peak for UCI cyclocross races, my HR strap blew out on a weekend of races, so I have no Fit/Fresh data for this weekend.  A manual edit would allow me to move on and use the graph to complete the season with data; now the fit/fresh curve has become useless.  I can understand the wait to implement HR based TSS estimates and the result is a great step forward .  I simply don't get the lack of a manual edit.  

     

    Does anyone know if there's a way to edit a Garmin file to change the date so I could import that as a "similar" effort?  If I have to move to cycling analytics for a manual entry which I could use for when I can't get power/HR, or for a run, I certainly won't be moving back to Strava premium.

     

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  • Steve, I shook my head already multiple times in disbelieve about Strava's inability to spend what seems a small effort to fix this bug that renders the prime training graph useless. Golden Cheetah allows you to edit your ride record and re-import it into Strava. Holger
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  • definately need this feature before I can justify going premium. training load base on HR for all activities, with manual entry option (i.e input an average HR, and have a training impulse calculated). Fitness & freshness graph useless without this.

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  • I agree with all the posts that say that the fitness freshness feature is useless if you cannot manually estimate in missing data.

    Workaround 

    1) Export an activity as GPX

    2) open the file in a text editor and change (at it simplest - just copy a ride of similar effort and change the date time near the top of the file)

    3) upload the changed file back to strava

    Shouldn't have to do it but simples.

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  • Since I don't use a HRM, and I race without a power meter, I would appreciate Strava using calculated power for this.  The key is to apply a healthy smoothing filter to avoid the spikes associated with the the power calculation algorithm.  Also I don't know if calculated power uses inertia but I've found when comparing calculated to measured power (on my own) using inertia just creates more error than accuracy.  In any case, this would get far closer to truth than assuming zero: one race without HR or power and the entire graph is useless.

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  • Hello, I'd like to add my support to be able to manually add training impulse to rides for those times I don't have my heart rate monitor or the garmin has a flat battery and i use my phone

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  • Definitely agree, this would be useful.  I only use iPhone for Strava, and on long rides (5 hours plus) I switch off everything I can (including Bluetooth for HR) to preserve battery life.  I also use PolarPersonal Trainer and I can add a manual entry here and see the effect on Training Load.   It would be great if I could also do this on Strava - especially as a premium member.

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  • Definitely agree, this would be useful.  I only use iPhone for Strava, and on long rides (5 hours plus) I switch off everything I can (including Bluetooth for HR) to preserve battery life.  I also use PolarPersonal Trainer and I can add a manual entry here and see the effect on Training Load.   It would be great if I could also do this on Strava - especially as a premium member.

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  • @ Martin Jackson

    Keep the iPhone going for 24 hours plus...

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005QI1A8C

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00FA4Y82W

    If you put it in your pocket and use

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wahoo-RFLKT-Computer-iPhone-Android/dp/B00BAPM39A

    The reflkt helps loads as it is the screen on the iPhone that chews batteries.

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  • Totally agree. Premium Fitness Freshness function with no manual TSS data entry is totally useless for a power meter user..

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