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Manually add Training Load to activities for Fitness & Freshness graph

It would be very helpful to be able to add manual TSS estimates to rides. I live in a pretty brutal winter climate and don't risk bringing my crank-mounted power meter on some of the more snow-ridden, submerged, occasionally airborne training rides I do in the winter, so when I return from a 5 hour frostbitten epic I don't really have a good assessment of what the effect on my fatigue/fitness would be. It'd be handy to be able to punch in some kind of guess so I can better keep track of my fitness curves. Just a thought.

 

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  • +1 for better F&F.


    I went for a great ride this am, but forgot my hrm. So my fitness/freshness score got Zero impulse. 
    Thing is- it was a 25km ride, and I set a PR on one segment, and did well on several other segments, as well as riding a course that I rode last Saturday with my HRM ....

    My point is that strava is showing zero impulse for the day, when I got a good workout. Which means that now my fitness/freshness data is nearly useless to me for the next several days.   I forgot to start strava (or I started it and the app crashed) on a big race last month.  That was 40km with 6,000m of climbing.   Not at all a "zero impulse" day.   Laughably, Strava showed my F&F as if I had done nothing all day.  I could barely walk.

    today: Strava shows that I went nearly 25km, it shows estimated power, it shows speed, elevations, etc.... It would be great if *some* sort of training impulse was included in my fitness/freshness chart. Even a conservative estimate. because my freshness is definitely less now than it was a few hours ago, but the chart doesn´t show that.

    For an even better experience, it would be nice to have some sort of manual input for training impulse. I know if I have had a hard or easy workout, perhaps not as well as my HRM knows, but.... I;d like to be able to add an impulse of 10 for a swim workout, for instance, as it affects my fitness/freshness.

    making it more accurate converts this feature into a tool instead of a toy.

    there is a lot of data on segment's difficulty, and most of us can estimate "hey, that was hard" closely enough to add *some* value to the chart and keep it more or less relevant.

    As it stands now, the F&F, while fun, is of very little value to my training.

     

    thanks!

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  • Guys less than perfect workaround... find a workout you've done which approximates the TSS you think you did, then use Golden Cheetah to import that file, change the workout date, export it, then re-load the file into Strava.. and you get a TSS entry for your workout.  If needed you can adjust some of the file data in Golden Cheetah to better approximate what you are trying to do.

    Again, it's a lot less than optimal, but it's something...  another Strava user suggested this to me and it's useful whether your power meter died or you forgot your HRM strap...

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  • To be honest a manual entry TSS score function would be useless. I mean if i went for a ride without a h/r strap or power meter how could i possibly enter an accurate TSS estimate, it would be total guess work. The current sufferscore estimate when used with a h/r strap solo is more than sufficient for those days that your not using a power meter.

    BUT SOMETHING THAT DOES NEED TO BE INCLUDED. is for the the sufferscore from a specific run activity to be included on the freshness and fitness graph currently the only way to do this is to add it in as a bike ride which in turn reduces the score by about a third. important for the winter! 

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  • The usefulness of various functions is assessed by the individual for their circumstances. For someone like myself whose training rides are similar, it would be.

    The eagle soaring high above doesn't know the thoughts and feelings of the little mice scurrying around, just that they look small and insignificant.

     

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  • Ha!  Graham, I couldn't agree more.  I simply don't trust Strava's estimated Training Load.   I have two rides of almost identical distance/time, very similar Suffer score and nearly identical HR and speed for the interval portion (these were the same structured rides).  On one ride I had a PM, on one I did not.  Strava estimates 91 Training Load for the non-PM ride, and it calculates 136 for the PM ride.  I can concede that the PM ride might have been higher training load, but there's no way it is 45 higher.  Without a doubt, I can estimate Training Load for my non-PM rides better than Strava can based on HR, simply because I have a huge data base for comparison.

    Secondly, I don't use a PM or HRM in my cross races, so they show up as 0.  So strava incorrectly estimates my HR-only rides, and gives 0 for my non-HR/non-PM rides.  The fitness and freshness curves are useless in the face of these errors.

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  • I am another one voting that manual entry is mandatory!

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  • I just had a 3 hour ride/race effort where my PM failed 4-5 min into the ride. Ended up getting a "Training impulse" of 1 the ride.  Now my fitness/freshness graph is going to be useless for a while... Should be able to edit... 

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  • How long as this been now? For something this simple??? We were just discussing the merits of this yesterday http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=103829

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  • Agree we could use this feature. And it has to be multispectral to be any use. Why are runners getting a poorer service? We pay the same as cyclists.
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  • Damn autocorrect. Meant multisport
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  • Manual training load entry has been under request for almost 2 years - I appreciate that there are many different projects in the pipeline, but this request seems rather simple in comparison with many of the newly developed features on Strava.

    Can we have some up to date feedback on this please? It seems like there are many of us asking for this but no reasonable response.

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  • Strava is uniquely positioned to be a leader in bringing simple yet powerful training analysis and knowledge to a very large population.  Sadly, this simple issue is a significant aggravation.  We are forced to hassle measures as suggested by Holger S -- thanks again, Holger!

    Download Golden Cheetah.  Find a prior workout with the desired duration and/or training impulse.  Import that workout into Golden Cheetah.. the first step of the import process is to assign the date of the workout.  Change that date to today (or whatever).  Then export that workout from Golden Cheetah and import it into Strava (perhaps hidden).  Now your fit/fresh curve is updated.  If necessary, you can edit the HR (power?) data within Golden Cheetah to better match the efforts to what you did based on perceived exertion.  

    I'm only a newbie to Golden Cheetah, but this works.  Give it a try as the fit/fresh curve takes ~40 days of workouts into account for averaging, and otherwise you will have to wait a considerable time before the curves become valuable again -- probably after your season is done and dusted.  Unfortunately I'm having to become a smarter Golden Cheetah user to overcome shortcomings to Strava Prime.  (e.g., I don't know how to change the duration of the imported Golden Cheetah workout). 

     

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  • My Strava Premium expires 4 Oct.  I will not be renewing until this and Designate between a "Group" and a "Solo" ride on Strava implemented.

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  • Yes!  The F&F graph is the most useful training feature that Strava has, but it quickly loses its usefulness once MTB season rolls around for me.  It is my main frustration with Strava because I feel like it could so easily be remedied.

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  • Please add this feature!

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  • Jim - I think many of the larger (especially technology) companies act like this - they seem to reach a critical size where they feel that we need them more than they need us. Hopefully some new upstart will come in and actually serve the customers. But then they will probably grow and so the cycle continues. Google are a possible exception to this.

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  • its is nice post everyone like it and get many information.

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  • has there been any progress on incorporating other activities to the fitness and freshness chart at all? based on heart rate.....

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  • has there been any progress on incorporating other activities to the fitness and freshness chart? ?  for anyone that uses premium and invested in a power meter for a lot of workouts, the comprehensiveness of this chart is a priority. if i can't use it for all activities there is really no reason to have premium. 

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  • Just let your premium account expire.  There is has been no response to this request or others for years.

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  • I was recently gifted an Up3 band, and was pleasantly surprised to see that it pulls data from Strava.

    I was unpleasantly surprised to see that even though I now have complete access to my exercise, pulse, resting pulse, and sleep time....  that there's still no way to use this data to influence my strava F&F.

    It seems we have an excellent opportunity to improve Strava, but apparently little is being done to exploit the opportunity.    

    I'd be more excited about my "premium" membership if I felt like the F&F were a more accurate portrayal of my life.  As it stands, I, and other folks who do activity other than cycle, don't get much value in the F&F, which is the nicest feature to the premium package.

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  • Please please please Strava! Without this feature the F&F chart is not useful as a training tool as it is too inaccurate.

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  • Yes, please, I do not power meter but HR based suffer score helps me. Please, estimate suffer scores for swiming and running using rTSS and sTSS algorithm (which estimate TSS without power/HR)

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  • It would definitely be useful to be able to add for swimming & running also, this would make a real alternative to training peaks, for triathletes fitness / freshness is a novelty.

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  • Why is there such a delay on this? I'm seriously about to dump my premium service over this. Mostly the complete lack of response to what is obviously important to a lot of people.

     

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  • Coming up the third anniversary of the first post, Bravo, Strava, Bravo!

     

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  • I agree with the statements of others here. Failing to help the multi-sport users when you are already capturing the HR data as well as not even allowing people to manually enter a TSS for an activity makes the Fitness and Freshness graph garbage unless EVERY SINGLE activity you do is with a bike AND heart rate or power. For multiple years you have strung these people on with premium memberships and claimed that this was a 'multi-sport' website. So long Strava premium, moving to golden cheetah or training peaks.

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  • 3 years of posts.  brutal.  I commute the same route most days and sometimes I have a power meter, sometimes not, but I know what the effort is, so why can't we get a stupid little entry field for estimated TSS?

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  • We have been waiting years at this point for Strava to do something about this.  Unreal.  Let me offer a workaround for the folks still waiting. Go to a website call fitfiletools dot com.  It is freeware.  As long as you have the same or similar workout in your Garmin or other device's activities files, you can run a copy through the date stripper, change the date to the missing workout, and upload to Strava.  You are then extremely close to an accurate fitness/freshness number.

    My Garmin choked on my last Sunday group ride and I didn't have a file to copy.  So now my fitness and freshness is off.  I can do the same ride this weekend, upload the original, and then use fitfilestools to backdate a copy to last weekend too.  Sounds complicated but it is easy as pie to use. 

    Given that this software has existed for FREE for years, why in the actual f8ck hasn't Strava added some version of it for its paying, premium users?  Strava ARE YOU LISTENING?!!!

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  • Strava. Please add this functionality! I can't stand having rides that don't count due to dead or malfunctioning power meters/hrm.

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