Segment Leaderboards

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  • I just read that there is already a similar request, please split nordic skiing in skating and classic, I'm so poor in Nordic skiing that I will never make a kom😀 but it will motivates me to compare with people using the same technique. Starting from the actual situation will not be an issue because we can assume all the best times are "nordic skating", you can simply add a "nordic classic" new sport and if possible share the segments.

    Thanks

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  • I would like to highlight once again that what Carlos Vigo mentioned in a very first page please, keep segments just the same for both activity types e-bike and regular ride but, separate leaderboards based on activity type. This way there would not be a need to create separate e-bike segments, it would encourage people to records activities as e-bike ride instead of regular ride because all segment features would be then available like live-segments, segment search/explorer and etc.
     
    I was disappointed when after many years of using Strava I bought first e-bike and noticed that, it lacks lot of features compared to regular rides. Many others has also noted that in our cycling groups. Paying a subscription has become a doubt...
     
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    Please consolidate regular bike and e-bike segments into a single segment datase but keep separated leaderboards depending on bike type. This would enable live segments for eBike riders, and remove the concerns about the lack of segments for eBikes, the unavailability of eBike segments search or not being included in the new route maker.

    It also enables riders to compare (but not compete) with people using different bikes, which I think is useful for DH segments.

    It also encourage eBikers not to record their activities as regular rides. How many of them do it just to get the same functionality as regular rides?

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  • Four points:

    I continue to see cases where people with apple watch log their ride with the watch, and also manually start to record in the app, and two activities get recorded. It seems simple enough that if two of the same activity gets recorded simultaneously, one gets deleted automatically - no recourse.

    Also. Minimum number of efforts to get Local Legend would add more value to the designation. At least once a fortnight on average for the 90 days - 6 efforts at least. 

    Leaderboards could populate based on the average of the 3 most recent efforts (including deleted activities, those could be removed from feed, but stay in the average). And have an age limit of say 2 years (athlete's own PRs would be unaffected). With these 2 changes the leaderboard would remain relevant in the now, and give a reason to push each effort.

    And lastly to agree with a previous comment that Strava is very selective/picky about which comments it acknowldges in the forums, and therefore the reasons why certain improvements are not made. 

     

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  • I agree with Carlos Vigo and Henry Hagert. Please Strava, consolidate bikes and ebikes segments with 2 different leaderboards.

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  • Hi Isa Johnson thank you very much for all the suggestions. In regards to the duplicate activities that are being recorded with two or more devices, we do have a system in place that identifies and prevents a duplicate activity from being uploaded, however, this system isn't perfect and there are ways to go about achieving duplicate recordings. I will gladly pass this feedback as well as your other suggestions along to our product team.

    We value your input. Your comments are key in helping us explore ideas that are not part of our product roadmap and can help us prioritize our future work. 

    One thing to remember: just because a particular suggestion is popular or we reply to a specific comment doesn't mean we will take action. Our forums are just one component of our decision-making process. Please understand that we do not respond to all comments, and we may or may not decide to use your feedback. 

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  • Isa Johnson - I disagree with the idea of using an average of the 3 best efforts for a leaderboard.  That would eliminate all people who only ride a trail one or two times from having the chance of getting on the leaderboard or going for a KOM.  I travel to other cities and states to ride from time to time, but often only end up riding a specific trail or segment once or twice.  Should I not be eligible for a KOM or a top 10 leaderboard spot just because I don't live there and get to ride it frequently?  What about those segments used for races that people only ride in the race, so only get one or two laps?  

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  • I do see Stava starts making it automatically exclude those "impossible efforts" but, in such a country with lots of motorcycles, and still limit the quota for us to flag activities manually...

    just tired...🤡

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  • Isa Johnson Jason Lamoreaux

    I like the idea of a result that shows consistent efforts, e.g. from the 3 best efforts. I also think it is very important for motivation purposes to have a leaderboard that is more dynamic, .e.g. over the past 2 years. It is not yet a big problem, but as time goes on the regular top 10 results are going to become increasingly static and meaningless to the typical user.

    However we should always have the simple all time leaderboard as well because we don't want to forget these results and there is a certain elegance to a raw top 10.

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  • I didn't read this entire thread, but I know it was mentioned at least once: Virtual rides and their KOMs and leaderboards are littered with bogus inputs. I've seen multiple rides where the wattages too low to achieve the indicated speeds for the uphill grades of the segments. Either the rider is changing their weight to be 1 lb or they are changing the grade to be 0%. Example: https://www.strava.com/activities/1318667888#32639183162 

    This rider managed to virtually ride Col e la Madeleine, one of the toughest climbs in the Tour de France,  with an average speed of 20.3 MPH while only expending an average of 169 watts. The only way that is possible is if the rider was weightless or the grade was flat. As a comparison I completed the ride expending an average of 211 watts and only went 8.5 MPH.

    So I tried to Flag this ride, but that was denied since it had already been flagged and resolved. I'm really curious what the resolution was.

    Strava could use a simple algorithm to detect and eliminate this sort of data so users don't have to deal with it.

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  • Hello Bengt Lowander please note that virtual activity data can be adversely affected by the rider’s defined weight, as well as other factors within the virtual space that lie out of our control. Please submit a support ticket if you have any other specific questions

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  • FOR RUNNING: 

    I get your average runner may not care that they're gunking up leaderboards with their miscategorized activities, but I spend entirely WAAAAY too much time cleaning up these things when simple baseline standards would clear all this up. THIS SEEMS ENTIRELY OVERDUE AND A BEYOND SIMPLE FIX

    Example: 

    Say I hold the top spot on a segment's leaderboard. Then JOHN NITTTWITTY posts an activity where he claims to have "Ran" at a world record competing 200m pace. Your robots should simply FLAG that activity. Right off. The whole thing. No question. Knowing they were on a bike. Knowing they don't quite know how to use Strava in all its Wowzer powers. If anything, think it a teaching opportunity about the merits of Strava and and its correct usage how some people actually do use the thing as intended.

    Now whom, as a company, Strava, do you care more about? The fairweathers who migth engage with the app once or twice a month OR your paid subscriber base? 

    Again, this seems pretty simple a fix. So let's do it. Otherwise, not really sure what I'm paying for. Sounds like I SHOULD BE PAID to help clear this thing of the weirdos who get their jollies off claiming CR's and hardware. 

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  • When looking at a segment leaderboard the following period related options are: All-Time, Today, This Week, This Month, This Year

    Please add: Yesterday, Last Week, Last Month, Last Year

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  • Sometimes riders get unreal data from their ride, some of which result in KOMs. The rider acknowleges the unreal KOM. However, there is no way for the rider to easily flag the unreal KOM so that Strava can fix the issue. I think most people would want to remove their unreal KOMs but there is no easy way to do it. As a result, people just leave it the way it is.

    Maybe Strava can include a button for the KOM holder to flag the unreal data which will automatically remove the entry from the leaderboard.

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  • Gordon Clark

    Gold star post and good luck.

    Half this forum is people complaining of similar, with e bikes or motorcycles or cars.

    The AI seems that it should be simple enough to at least eliminate 95% of these and educate users instantly, but people have been harping on Strava for years with little effect on this.

    I've not yet seen a good explanation from Strava on why not, although reps do pop their heads up here to address topics from time to time.

    In this day and age it should be a basic feature and innovation they worked on 18 months ago, not one users still need to beg for now.  

    Time will tell.

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  • Is there not some way Strava can detect e-bike rides automatically and make the app ask the user "is this an e-bike ride?" before it uploads to the leader boards?

    Surly some formula can be applied where it compares climbing times to flat and descent times to estimate the likelihood of it being an e-bike ride and automatically remove it from leader boards unless the user declares it is legit (a one off hill effort for example), maybe also factor in HR data if available too?

    I see so many people top 10 a fire road climb at 130bpm then ride everything else at mediocre pace. I don't think most people are being willfully dishonest, it's likely they just don't know you can change the ride type etc. At least this would automatically weed out most e-bike rides from the league tables. A simple algorithm must be possible surly?

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  • Please create a separate sport profiles for Classic Nordic Skiing and Freestyle/Skate Nordic Skiing. They’re currently together and these are arguably less similar than road biking and mountain biking. Skate is significantly faster. Thanks!

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  • Yes - wholeheartedly agree with Bryan! I wrote a similar suggestion a year ago. 

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  • Many athletes are recording their training the wrong way, they train and forget to finish their training, instead they go home in their motor vehicles and only then finish their training. The problem is that in the middle of the way they end up taking several RPs (personal records), KOMs and QOMs.

    When I say a lot, I mean a lot.

    In a segment that I'm "cleaning" there are more than 40 incorrect records and you only release 10 flags a day, it's very little, I've been flagging these people for over 1 week and it never ends.

    I'm just suggesting that a tool be thought up that reminds these people to finish their training and don't drive home recording.

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  • How about a rolling 365 day KOM/PR badge.

    This will freshen up the KOM leaderboards.

    It will solve the problem of the 'yearly KOM' that was tried a few years ago where it got silly in January.

     

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  • Diego Coenga

    Absolutely, it baffles me that despite Strava insisting that they have algorithms to detect this that it still happens so regularly.

    It is absolutely transparent to the human eye and as a software developer I really don't understand why this is so hard to detect automatically. The speed alone should be obvious enough, the change in average speed is generally not subtle. The location is another dead giveaway, they return to the start point, spend 10 minutes stationary and then shoot off.

    If there is a concern over false positives then just give users the ability to un-flag their rides if the algorithm is a little over zealous.

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  • Ashley Clarke

    They do already have this. I know someone who got flagged as being on a e-bike when they weren't.

    And yet somehow it seems to make little difference. Perhaps just make this algorithm a bit more aggressive. I think my friend was quite flattered at the flag, I certainly wouldn't take offence if Strava thought I was climbing steep hills at eBike speeds.

    Also take into account athletes previous activities. If they have a history of riding ebikes then it would be more likely, if they have on previous occasions been falsely flagged then give them a bit more leeway in future.

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  • @Richard Walker

    I support this only if it's a filter that can be viewed electively.

    I want to know the KOMs of all time; records yearly aren't of much interest.

    It's not like society throws out the Guinness book of world records each year and starts fresh.

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  • While I appreciate that the e-bike issue has finally been addressed - by adding e-bike as an activity type. I don't understand why there are so many more segments for regular bikes. I completed an activity and before I changed the activity type there were 23 segments, after converting to e-bike there were only 8. Why would the segments not carry over to e-bike, just with a different leaderboard. Fairly disappointed that this was implemented without the work that has already been put in by many in building up all these segments. 

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  • Diego Coenga unfortunately you are too nice, a lot of them simply do not care, most ignore the flag and it gets marked as resolved. I once pointed out a guy who was doing 125kmph up the motorway after his MTB session. He ignored the flag and then just got abusive when I suggested he crop off the end of his ride. The irony being he could have cropped it quicker than the time spent sending abusive, long winded messages. Instead he went on a rant for two paragraphs about having nothing better to do. The irony was lost on him so I just disengaged. Until Strava either accept the idea of local moderation or auto flagging rides until they are cropped, some people just don't care.

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  • I agree with Richard Walker a 365 rolling target if preferable. It would mean you can have a yearly champion on 31/12, but not spam January with fake achievements. I like the idea above of a best 3 or 5 rides on a segment over a one year period. I would call this being the 'Mayor' of a segment. Obscure segments with few riders would not have this prize.

    Local Legends is a bit of a bust. I hear no chatter about it, and there is no incentive to target these awards. If you stop riding the same segment for even a little time the award drops. 90 days is no time at all, and it basically encourages you to ride the same route again and again. This is somewhat antithetical to the spirit of Strava, which should be encouraging more riding in new areas. Adventure/territory based games would be much more interesting than Local Legends 'ride along the main road 45 times,' as it is at the moment.

    Also it would be nice if these forum threads were newest comments first to spur debate.

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  • Diego Coenga  gold star, it should be easy to implement.  Strava please do!

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  • Richard Walker Erik Bakke Graeme McDonald

    A 365 day rolling period is clearly far superior to a strict yearly period. Going out on January 1st is just so weird atm.

    You might not throw the Guinness book of records away each year, but you tend to do this in sport all the time. You don't say someone isn't the Olympic champion because they aren't the fastest of all time. You don't say someone didn't win the TdF because there were better riders in previous years.

    It is even more important in Strava because such a lot of the historical data is total garbage.

    But like with the current "This Year" stats these are not the primary leaderboard, this is still the all time data.

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  • Greg Scott - Segments have to be created by the users.  If you don't see segments you would like to see, then just create them.  The reason you see so few e-bike segments is that e-bikers have not made many segments.  It is really easy to do and only takes a minute or two for each one once you have the routine down.  Personally, I would be excited to start from scratch and create new segments rather than adopt the ones already in place for another activity type.  There are so many poorly made or duplicate "ride" segments that it drives me nuts.  If I were an e-biker, I would be love to start fresh and create the segments correctly, with the correct start/end points and no duplication.  

    One reason I can think of that they didn't just copy "ride" segments over to the e-bike category is that e-bikes are not legal in all places that regular non-motorized bikes are.  It would have created a bunch of e-bike segments that were not even allowed to be ridden by e-bikes.  

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  • William O.

    I accept this as an add on to "permanent" KOM's.

    Alpe d' Huez doesn't change, nor does the Galibier, nor Ventoux.

    I want to know who is or was the fastest.  If I can also see who is recent, sure, just don't erase or remove the all time data.  Maybe it's been a few years since one visited an area - such as during covid - so do their records need to be erased just because of a gap of recency?

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  • Greg Scott 

    "Why would the segments not carry over to e-bike"

    perhaps because e-bike rides are a different activity, just like running or walking is different to cycling. Run segments are not carried over to other activities either, why should they ?

    A lot of segments in some areas are just garbage anyway, would n't it be better to start with a clean slate and make your own segments best suited to e-bikes ?

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