Segment Leaderboards

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  • Michael Murphy - I believe that if you set your profile so all of your activities are set to "private", then they will not show up on any leaderboards.  The downside is that others that follow you wont see them either, but not sure if that is a concern.  I am not sure of another way to not have segments show up other than marking the activity as something other than a "ride" or "run", such as a "workout" possibly.

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  • Michael Murphy 

    With the exception of the "My Results" filter, our leaderboard filters only display segment times from activities set to "Everyone". If your activities are set to "Followers" or "Only You", you will not opt into the public leaderboards.

    For more information on all of our privacy controls, please visit our privacy center and take the time to ensure your selections in Strava represent your intended experience.

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  • https://support.strava.com/hc/de/community/posts/360073465872/comments/6346371347469

    Thanks for your help, Jason and Soren.

    I usually use the mobile app, so it would be nice to have this feature (report bad leaderboard entries) in the app, too.

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  • Soren understood. But doing so defeats one of my actual uses for Strava.

    To developers here: Call this a request for the feature I described.

    Logic change in pseudocode ...

    was

         if (activity.security==public)  { update_leaderboards(activity) };

    becomes

        if (activity.security==public && activity.segment_track==enabled)  { update_leaderboards(activity) };

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • Jason Lamoreaux

    I'm trying your suggestion here, "workout". I see there is workout as an activity, what you meant, and tagging a ride activity as workout.

    My most recent activity: received a 4th overall and best this year on leader board, but it is merely from low accuracy GPS data putting me on the wrong trail in Strava's algorithms.

    Setting activity to workout: yes, it removed all awards and the appearance in leader boards, at the expense of not logging my mileage, as exercised miles per month and mileage on a particular bike (e.g. time to replace the chain etc.)

    Activity as ride + setting the workout tag: no effect on segments tracking and leader boards, I'm now best this year on a segment I didn't actually travel on yesterday.

    What did suppress leader board input: setting a real world activity as virtual. I believe the mileage is still being logged for that, and maybe personal heatmap as well, two Strava features of interest to me.

     

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  • I'm a little disappointed not to get any feedback from Strava in response to my comment of 4 May in which I questioned the apparent increase in the minimum length of a bike segment from 300 metres to 500 metres.  I haven't seen any comments from users requesting such a change so I wonder why it has been done.  In my area there has been a lot of good competition over Segments of 300 to 500 metres so it would be a shame if no more such Segments can be created.  I also wanted to recently update a Segment I had created a while ago - it's about 450 metres and with hindsight it finishes a little too close to a junction, however, I can no longer make it a little shorter (and hence safer) because of the new limit.

    People have commented that there is a loss of measurement accuracy with shorter segments - this is no doubt true, however, with most GPS measurements being at 1 sec intervals the inaccuracy should be only 2-3 %.  This sort of variation is much less than arises from variations in tail (or head) winds.  A tail wind of only about 4 mph would have a greater effect that typical GPS uncertainty over a short segment yet I don't see a rush to flag any efforts with such a tail wind as "wind assisted".

    Hence I ask again for Strava to please revert the minimum bike segment length to the previous 300 metre limit (or at least provide some explanation for the change). 

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  • I read and see there are new comments suggesting to be able to communicate with the segment creator. This was #2 suggestion in this long thread and was for a long time the most upvoted suggestion, still top 3 I think. It would solve many issues cleaning up the map and be very easy to implement. Also, if segment creator is no longer active, the community must be able to downvote a outdated or badly created segment to an extent where it is deleted. This feature request have had ZERO feedback or answer from Strava. Why? A request with that many upvotes of course should at least be worth a comment from Strava.

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  • Ola Carmonius

    So you're saying that you want to be able to contact a Segment creator so you can ask them to change their Segment to something you prefer ?  If there's a Segment you don't like (perhaps because it's a duplicate or badly created) can't you simply hide it ? - that way you won't see it again and you should no longer be irritated by it. 

    I just checked and in my Strava cycling career I've attempted about 5,400 Segments and I'm currently hiding about 300, which seems a modest percentage.

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  • Ola Carmonius

    I do find it odd that Strava aren't interested in this. Surely it is in their own interest to clean up real world segments just like they did for virtual segments. But please give the community tools to decide which segments need to be modified or made private.

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  • Ian Barton (sorry don't know how to tag people).

    "Something I prefer" is not the purpose. I'm in a group of people managing a small trail center. I would say 80-90% of the segments at this center are corrupt in terms of gps, out of date since we changed the trails or just duplicates or to short to make any sense at all. For me it's no problem, I know which segments are the correct ones. For visitors not riding there frequently, it's just causes confusion with all the bad or out of date segments. Hiding them yes can be done, but how to know which ones to hide if there are 4 of the same and you ride the place for the first time? Most things would easily be solved by deleting the old or bad segments. I think this would be done in 95-100% of the cases if the segment creator could be messaged, made aware of the problem and asked to delete a segment he or she created. Now all bad or corrupt or duplicate segments are floating around like old satellites in space and it annoys me that it could be solved so easily by allowing communication with segment creators. They can still be anonymous if they like.

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  • William O.

    Hi William - I'm not sure how this might work in practice.  Are you saying, for example, that if you see 2 Segments that have a 90% overlap you would organise some democratic vote by Strava users to decide which of the 2 Segments to keep and which to delete ?  What happens if a new user comes along and creates another overlapping Segment ?  Is a new vote needed or is creation of the new Segment blocked ? 

    Personally I think the current system of alerting Segment creators to the presence of potential duplicates works quite well.  Just yesterday I went to create a new Segment and I was alerted that there was already a very similar one - I hadn't seen it in my Activity because it was hidden.  Hence I cancelled my new Segment and unhid the old one - problem solved. 

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  • In addition to recognizing all-time KOMs and QOMs it would be really cool to see cyclists recognized within their age groups with Age group specific QOMs and KOMs. This would create more interest and competition among aging cyclists. It would incentivize older cyclists and even perhaps some younger cyclists to ride more.

    For example, I am 71 years of age. The playing field is stacked against me when measuring my performance against cyclists in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, or even in their 60s. This is disheartening and, is most likely, responsible for many aging cyclists loosing interest and quiting cycling altogether. But if there were age group specific QOMs and KOMs I am convinced cyclists would enjoy having their fastest times in their age group recognized by the cycling community. 🚲

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  • Ian Barton we really value your comments and you certainly bring up some valid points. I've passed your feedback along to our product team for consideration. The changes we rolled out to minimum segment distance were to make sure that newly created segments would result in more accurate leaderboards and reduce segment noise overall. There are minimum distance requirements for ride segments (500m) as well as other sport types (250m).

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  • I think Rolf N. has a point although it would mean another whole layer of separating data. Still, it could well be motivating to many.

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  • Carlos Vigo Your request is still the most voted and there is not a single Word from Strava.

    https://support.strava.com/hc/es-mx/community/posts/360073465872/comments/360013091092 

    While Strava don't pay attention,  the number of ebikers are growing fast and most of them save their activities as normal bikes because they want THE SAME SEGMENTS WITH DIFFERENT LEADERBOARDS.

    And by other hand standard cyclist are loosing interest in Strava as the segments are contamined with ebikes.

    This situation remember me when Nokia didnt pay attention to Android and they fall from the sky to hell in months 

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  • Ian Barton The best would be to have local moderators, who takes the responsability to choose wich one to keep.
    The current situation is just not working, in some climbs you have dozens of overlaping segments...
    And the idea of Strava team to let the rider "hiding" the one they don't like, in order to make them hidden by default later, is just not working as well.

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  • Ian Barton:  The alert for "there is already a similar segment" doesn't appear to work well - or new users just ignore it.  In my local area, there are three different segments for the same 2 km stretch of straight relatively flat road.  I cannot see a difference between them at all - even the start and end points are within 10 m of each other.  Would be an easy way to get 3 QOM's if I could bike that fast!!

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  • Rolf Nordstrom It is possible to filter leaderboards by age group already.

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  • Some "Mercado Livre" couriers use Strava to record the distance traveled during their workday, this has been harming athletes in the region, every day we have to flag these activities and report these accounts.. Put an automatic filter, if the maximum speed is above 90km/h, it's already flagged, if it's a real athlete, report it as an error!

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  • Mike Nottingham - It is true that age group results can be filtered. However, virtually nobody is going to filter a segment by age group outside their own age group. Hence, for the most part, the only cyclists that will be aware of age group results are cyclists in their own age group. The idea of age group QOMs and KOMs is to let other cyclists outside your age group of your accomplishments.

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  • More and more cyclists are using electric powered bikes. Just curious, Is there any plans to create separate results for cyclists recording rides on electric bikes?

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  • Alex Dimitriou

    Hi Alex - I like the idea of local moderators who would proactively improve the quality of Segments in their area.  However, I'm thinking the practicalities of doing this would not be trivial.  For example...

    • There are about 32 million Strava segments - would you try to appoint local owners for all of them or only those with x% of overlap ?
    • Would the local owners have the power to edit and delete Segments created by others or is their role to engage with Segment creators to discuss and agree suitable changes ? (I would be unhappy if a local owner unilaterally edited or removed one of the Segments I have created without my involvement)
    • Rather than editing or deleting things, the local owners could perhaps "validate" Segments and users have an option to filter things to only show the "validated" Segments ? 
    • How would the local owners be appointed ?  The Local Legends might seem suitable as they supposedly have the most local knowledge.  What if the Local Legend changes and different people have different ideas ?  What if 2 overlapping Segments have different Legends ? I think there has not been much engagement with the concept of Local Legends and many people may have such designations without being aware of it (I just had a look at my Local Legend tab for the first time and I'm surprised to see I am a Local Legend for 300 Segments !).

     

    Am I right in thinking that if a minimum proportion of Athletes hide a Segment, for whatever reason, then that Segment will be hidden by default for new users ?  Hence if experienced users continue to hide the duplicates they don't like then the overall quality of the Segments would improve for new users (with less visible duplication)  People could still unhide Segments if their preferences are different to those of average users.  If this is the case then encouragement of collective hiding would help hide duplicates for new users and minimise confusion.

    Overall I think delegating more authority to local owners could become rather complex and although well intentioned, it could be difficult to implement in a way that doesn't confuse or upset average users.  Maybe there are other ways of achieve the same (or similar) end result ?  It might be useful to get feedback from Strava developers.

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  • Is there a mechanism to deal with riders posting ebike rides as regular rides besides flagging.  There are riders I know who have been flagged 100 times but still post rides and take places on leaderboards.

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  • @Rolf,

    They already do.  But it's just hard to find, hard to manage, and is different on the App than it is on the Website.

    When they make things hard to do, people don't do them.

     

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  • Stuart Fealk - Yes, there is.  For something like that, us the "Submit a request" link at the bottom center of this (and other Strava) page.  In there, just click on the option to look for more answers a couple times, then submit a report via e-mail once prompted with an explanation of what is going on.  Make sure to point out that it isn't just a few instances, but a systematic issue.  I've done this multiple times and the Strava support people were able to take care of the problem.  I believe they either suspended or removed those people ultimately.

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  • Ian Barton - The bottom line is that there are thousands of duplicate or poorly made segments and the system needs a way to get cleaned up.  Just hiding them is NOT a solution.  It does not get rid of them.  It does not fix them.  Yes, the suggested segments when creating a new one does a little up front, but it does NOTHING for already created duplicates.  While a person here or there may get a little miffed at their segment being removed, that is life.  Make it like when someone flags an activity, the owner gets the opportunity to defend their segment with an explanation.  If that satisfies the moderator as a reason it should be kept, then great.  If not, they can proceed with deleting it. 

    Right now, it is totally ridiculous.  I can do a single ride and, if I ride fast, I could end up getting 3-5 KOMs for the same short section of trail because of all of the duplicate segments.  Yes, I can hide them, but they are still there in the background.   

    I think it could be set up similar to Trailforks, where there are moderators for particular areas.  I wouldn't use something like Local Legends because, as you say, they change frequently and vary greatly based on specific trails.  It could just be someone who applies to Strava to be a moderator and supports it with proof of their familiarity with an area based on their heatmaps.  There could be a challenge mechanism where if someone didn't agree with their segment being deleted or edited, they could challenge it with the moderator and, if not satisfied, they could submit a support request directly to Strava to look at.  

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  • Rolf Nordstrom - e-bikes already have their own activity type and their own segments with leaderboards.  All they have to do is select "e-bike ride" as their activity and it is all set.  They can go in and create any segments they want (just like a regular ride or a run) if a segment isn't already there.  

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  • Jason Lamoreaux You totally get my points.

    Ian Barton You can find all the excuses to do nothing, but today, you have to be blind to think the existing way of doing is working fine...

    Just create clear guidlines for the segments, offer the Premium subscribtion to the moderators, and they'll spend hours to reduce the 32 millions segments to less than a million of "real" ones. 

     

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  • Segments or challenges are great ideas, but the reality at Strava is a lot of disappointment!

    E-bike riders or car drivers cheat cyclists, cyclists cheat runners, runners cheat walkers, etc, etc. And it's that easy: just select a wrong (lower) activity type and you're in first place or KOM/QOM of a segment.

    The same applies to challenges where people are at rank 1 having walked 30000 km in 10 days.

    Flagging is not of any help. As long as this is possible at Strava and is not punished, I will never become a paying Strava member. 

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  • Jason,

    Sometimes...  Sometimes Not.

    "All they have to do is ..."

    If they were all doing this, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    People do not engage with software like those of us who write on Forums (like this).  They do the BARE MINIMUM to get an App going.  So don't make it easier to choose BIKE over EBIKE.

    How about a hierarchy, from Fastest to Slowest:

    When you select Bike, you get a list of options.  The default is Motorcycle, so that anybody with a motor does not accidentally take a KOM away from a Road Bicycle.  In other words, make the path of least resistance something that does not interfere with others.

    BIKES:
    ----> MotorCycle (fastest)    <--------- (((( DEFAULT ))))
    ----> E-Bike
    ----> Road Bicycle (pedal only - no motor)
    ----> Mtn Bicycle (pedal only - no motor)
    ----> tricycle  (slowest)

     

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