Segment Leaderboards

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  • It would be great if segment leaderboards could be viewed as histograms, x-axis time and y-axis number of rider that achieved this time. This would be a great way to visualize how fast people ride segments.

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  • "Maybe a simple prompt that pops up when someone does get a KOM or PR to acknowledge they are in the right category (you'll probably need to be as specific as "were you riding an E-Bike?" though). If they acknowledge it still after that, then it just sits with the character of the person from there and I'm sure they're the same with other things outside of Strava. :)"

    Yes, perhaps with the hiking segments a prompt, "did you run ANY portion of this segment?" if the answer is yes, it's a trail run. If no, congrats, it's a hike. And if you did but you clicked no, you are probably a cheater in life anyway.

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  • I agree Murray R. Actually, I am recording as eBike but cancelled my summit subscription until Strava gives eBikes the same functionality than acoustic.

    BTW, I beg you all to vote for my request on that sense :-)

    https://support.strava.com/hc/es-es/community/posts/360073465872/comments/360013091092

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  • Allow some way for users to vote to "unflag" a segment that has been incorrectly flagged as hazardous.  Right now, it just takes one person to flag a segment as hazardous and nobody has any recourse.  One malicious person can ruin segments for everyone else.  There are a few where I ride that were flagged as hazardous, yet there is nothing hazardous about them.  Most likely, it was a NIMBY who wasn't happy with the new trails being legally built in the area.  Unfortunately, nothing could be done except to create new duplicate segments.  

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  • Andy Saiden - There are multiple issues with that. Mainly, not that many people really have power meters on their bikes or have them on all of their bikes.  Requiring the use of a power meter would be requiring everyone to spend a lot of money on equipment.  Personally, I have power meters on two bikes, but I race and chase KOMs on 5 (TT, Road, Cross, Mountain, and Snow).  Also, I don't even know if any power meters integrate with the Strava phone apps or not.  If they don't, it would be limiting the segment feature to those who also have separate devices such as a Garmin or similar.  

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  • I agree with Tue Søeborg about downhill segments not being live anymore. I get the safety (and probably liability) aspect, but it's disappointing that I can no longer see where I stand live on segments that I could see live in the past. I like the waiver idea, and came here to say the same. We already to it for segments flagged as hazardous.

    Continuing on, it's extremely frustrating that Strava is weeding out all live segments that are <= -.25%. There are many long segments with rolling terrain that barely miss being "live" then. I rode one a couple days ago that was -.3%, but involved a ton of rolling hills over 1.2 miles. If Strava persists in eliminating live downhill segments, at least up the grade threshold, as the chosen grade is way too restrictive, IMO.

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  • Great point Peter and everyone on the deterioration of the fun of the leader board.  There is a cyclist in Atlanta, Demetrius P, that is slaughtering KOMs.  It is obviously a vehicle to anyone who bothers to look at the data.  The Atlanta community continues to flag the rides and they are unflagged almost immediately. It's completely obvious to all and Strava is not doing anything about it.  Most people would not do this type of thing in this community, via ebikes , scripts, or cars or whatever it is.  Agree with others that if you are flagged by 10+ riders on every ride you do, your profile should get examined stringently.   He can keep is data but take him off everyone's leaderboard. https://www.strava.com/athletes/61825269/segments/leader

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  • I have several segments I have created that i can’t find on a map when I explore segments. These are segments with lots of attempts, over 500 for some. They are not private segments so why don’t they show up on searches. I know lots of segments in my area don’t show up on explore segments. It is frustrating to find segments that I know are there but they don’t show up. 

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  • William O., interpolation is not substantially computationally expensive. Strava doesn't need to do interpolation between all points. Basically, once they find start or finish the normal way (e.g. the closest point), let's call that point N, they only need to do interpolation between points (N-1, N) and (N, N+1). The best interpolated match will be on one of those two intervals. That is a negligible increase in computing cost and complexity. A decent developer could implement that change in one day.

    But there is another potential problem is that interpolation could introduce fractions of seconds - something that Strava may no be setup to deal with. Still they could probably work around that by rounding the interpolated time to the nearest number of seconds. 

    This problem is totally solvable. The question is whether Strava is willing to address it.

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  • Who has the time to do all this flagging? The top 10 times for one segment I saw on a trip last year we're all over 50 mph, on a dead-flat road. Who is going in flag all of these? Moreover, this month there was 160 mile an hour KOM in the park nearby, which proves their newest filter is simply not working. We shouldn't have to flag something that should be automated.

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  • Hi Louis - I do respectfully disagree. There would be no way to monitor different runners' efforts in a segment to gauge whether one is running tempo pace (for him/her), regular training pace (and why would anyone be interested in that, anyway?) or an all-out effort. And isn't that the whole point of a segment - to see how fast someone can run/bike/ski a segment? In running, one local segment is 6.5 miles of mountainous dirt trail - no faking that. Even a 0.1 mile sprint is open to the best runners giving it 100% and topping the leaderboard over the type of runner you describe. I read an article about a national-caliber marathoner who worked out a 25 mile route to make KOM on over 20 segments - great! I'm 59 and can't match in a mile the pace I used to be able to sustain over a weekly 10 mile tempo. But it is fun to see if, going all-out, I can hit a leaderboard (FYI: my regular pace is typically between 8:00-10:00 minute pace depending on terrain and elevation gain). If the "spirit of Strava" is simply to measure who has the fastest training pace I don't think there would be much interest in segments. I view them as mini-races of various lengths and terrain in which we all engage in friendly competition to see how we measure up, in the same spirit as entering a road, ski, bike or track race. 

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  • exactly, interpolation is super easy. or, if you don't want to to that. Strava should take your trackpoints OUTSIDE the segment (so the segment is 'inside' your trackpoints), not trackpoints in between segment - making your effort shorter.

    if it makes your time longer? sorry, just use more accurate device.

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  • Louis, I completely disagree with your logic on segments. Personally since the lockdown, the lack of races has made it so that the only thing I can really compete in is strava segments. I started going all over my city and setting up runs (mainly fartleks) in which I would specifically try to take segments on my runs. I have had two separate runs where I claimed over 10 segments. It is not very easy to do I assure you. I am not running 11 minute pace and then suddenly 4 minute pace. It is usually 7 minute pace and then whatever pace I need to take he segment. It’s like a fun game, plus I have to learn the roads of where to turn and everything. Doing all this speed work really helped me and by the end of the summer I was able to run my first sub 5 minute mike in 24 years. I am now up to 142 segments and have a lot of fun finding segments in areas of town I haven’t run and trying to take them from the younger cross country kids. Taking this aspect of strava away would honestly completely ruin the main reason I use strava. 

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  • Any chance of local moderators?

    •  I want new moderators. It will allow me to report rides to someone who is actively engaged in the local community nad they can easily see when for example a MTB forgets to turn off their GPS getting in the car etc. The reason that is important is because it is disheartening to see hte top 10 spots in local segments all taken up by people who clearly have had it reported already, didn't do anything, it doesn't seem intentional but it would be a huge drain on your resources if we started going through the full "report a cheater" process. A
    • I think a local volunteer moderator would be great because then they could action items simply by editing with ease, no cheaters report process and its something the community could be vested in.  
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  • E-Bikes ARE the biggest threat for leaderboards. I agree. Leaderboards are one of the main features of strava, they are fun, functional, motivating, and allow for competition (even more in times of the pandemic, when no races take place). E-bike rides are all over leaderboards and take all the fun out of it. Users should receive clear instructions on how to set a ride to the proper activity; making sure to click on e-bike if that is your activity type. This needs to be made very clear somehow, otherwise it will make the whole concept of leaderboards and strava somewhat obsolete.

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  • Murray R. Obviously on the climbs it's "no contest" but on the descents it's still a valid race. I would like to be able to compare my times from my Stumpjumper (acoustic bike) to my Meta Power (E-bike), not on the same leaderboard but at least be able to see them side by side. Also a lot of my friends still ride acoustic bikes so on the descents I would like to be able to compare with them. It doesnt make any sense to completely segregate bikes from E-bikes. Yes the leaderboards need to be separate but theres no reason that they cant share the same segement data and even have the leaderboards side by side e.g. you can view leaderboards by age group, weight, male, female etc, why not just have a tab for E-bikes or just have a toggle to switch between the E-bike leaderboards and the bike leaderboards?

     

    I have created heaps of segments over the years in my local area on the bike side of Strava and now that I have an E-bike (as well as my regular bike) it's frustrating that all of the hard work I put in to making segments is lost on the E-bike side of strava. They are exactly the same sport and should share the same segments just with the leaderboard separate. There's no reason that you cant compare the two side by side.

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  • Can the threshold for downhill segments be raised at all? There are a couple of local segments that are essentially flat and go for a few miles but as they average a negative number over the distance they will not synch to my Garmin which is ridiculous. I am completely fine with steeper descents being banned or even less steep one's over a short distance. But when you have one that's barely -1 or even -2% over several miles it just makes no sense.

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  • Anyway, if you aren't going to enact local moderators, that you could remove the option to only flag a ride once. The number of KOMs in cars and when you flag it, it has already been "resolved". When someone is doing 115kmph on a motorway and their HR is around 60bpm, it is fair to assume that they haven't actually resolved it.

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  • Completely agree Jason, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to see when or how people cheated and a PM or even a HRM, while helpful, aren't necessary. The only thing they really need to do is allow multiple flaggings for those who keep not editing their rides, once it gets flagged X times it should either go to a local moderator or one of the help desk team.

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  • Can you make it possible to actually search for ebike segments as opposed to any other type? Also can you make it so I can default to ebike all the time for my rides?

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  • Keith J. I'm sorry to hear about the trouble with the segments matched to your activity. This situation is typically caused by flexibility built into our segment matching algorithm that accounts for GPS drift in activities. However, this flexibility can also cause inaccurate segment matching in cases where two segments are located closely together. Please check out our help article for more information on this subject: https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918187-Segment-Matching-Issues. I hope this information helps clear up the confusion!

    Ben S. Thank you for your suggestion around including and excluding professional athletes from segment leaderboards. I am passing this feedback along to our Product Team for consideration in our future product roadmap.

    Merete Victor Thank you for your feedback regarding crew member classification for segments matched to rowing activities. Understanding how many crew were involved in a segment achievement could be neat information to compare. While we cannot promise immediate changes, I am passing your feedback along to our Product Team for consideration in our product roadmap.

    Enwezor Nzegwu You're in luck because the Strava mobile app does in fact allow you to view the 'Following' leaderboard when viewing a segment. To access the Following leaderboard, tap on the relevant segment and then scroll down to the Leaderboards section to locate the 'Following' leaderboard:

    Tony Poole We appreciate your feedback regarding segment efforts which occur as part of a group versus efforts which occur while solitary. I am passing this feedback along to our Product Team so that we can consider possible changes in the future.

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  • I see Strava now seem to have implemented giving you the KOM on your list if you are joint KOM/QOM. Previously they refused to do this despite announcing you had the KOM on your ride even if two of you got it together it went to the first to upload. I noticed this as my list got a little longer.

    Thank you Strava if this is indeed the case.

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  • Soren Will users be able to flag individual segment efforts or will this only apply to auto detection? I am sure that most of these erroneous times are honest mistakes, but when you flag a ride very little information is passed back to the athlete. Therefore it is not surprising that they unflag their ride, as the athlete is given minimal information on why the flag is deserved. Perhaps if people flagging were able to include an anonymous message to the athlete it would be clear. Perhaps if when people unflag they could provide an anonymous response explain why they think the flag was invalid?

    I don't think most of these cases are malicious. I think the failure is the total lack of transparency over why rides are flagged and unflagged.

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  • According to Strava, the start/stop segment timer has a *very* generous radius of uncertainty. I.e.: it is possible to trigger the start of the segment timer 70 meters into the segment and to stop the segment timer 70 m before the end of the segment:

    We always recommend riding through a segment start or end point. If you need to turn around or stop, we recommend avoiding the start or end point by about 70 meters.

    Source: https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000248810-Resting-Time-in-Segment-Efforts

    Issues described above seem to apply to very short segments. Imagine the inherent uncertainty in calculating times for a segment that is 150 m long (who creates those, anyways?). Add to the mix: people who record with Strava's app (lol) at a sampling rate of 0,03 Hz (every 30 seconds, but who knows because there is no way to set recording sampling rate in the app.) with coordinates determined by a ping to a cell tower located 5 Km away, and the same joker who keeps stealing my segments by hitting 'start' well into the start of a segment and hitting 'pause' well before the end of a segment.

    I've given up chasing short twisty segments. 

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  • Simple step Strava could make to help prevent leaderboards being saturated with E-bikers: any ride that gets a QOM/KOM or cup gets automatically flagged by Strava. Those of us that chase segments log on straight-away to see what we got and will be very happy to click “Trust me - this is legitimate” as it means we got something. The e-bikers that upload from their Garmin watches and then never log on to change activity will remain flagged without us having to do it manually. I spent around 45min yesterday flagging a whole load that had uploaded in a batch! Grrr. Strava could apply automatic flagging just to non-subscribers on the basis that subscribers understand the system.

    Another idea to throw in: When reviewing rides for flagging, the calculated power histogram is usually pretty clear: both bike types have most time in low power (downhills) so ignore that - 2nd highest category for eBikes is then often the highest power zone, whereas for normal bikes it isn’t- it is more spread around the other zones with 2nd highest often z3/4. I’m in a mountainous area so this may not apply everywhere but would be an easy thing to automatically spot.

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  • I want to see more transparency around the flagging of activities. It will increase trust in the leaderboards. This is an issue that has been raised multiple times recently where genuine flags have been incorrectly unflagged.

    Athletes who are trying to help Strava by flagging invalid activities are being frustrated by a lax approach to unflagging.

    When an athlete has their activity flagged they should be able to see the (anonymous) comments that the flagger has contributed.
    This way athletes who have made a genuine mistake will be able to clearly understand WHY the activity has been flagged and take the appropriate action.
    If athletes do not know why they have been flagged they will inevitably just click "this activity is fine".

    If it gets to the stage where Strava Support steps in, it needs to be clear that they have read why the activity has been flagged.
    If Strava Support determine that an activity should be unflagged they should provide feedback to any athlete(s) that have flagged the activity as to why their flag was invalid.
    This would both reassure users that they are being listened to and also help people to understand why a flagged ride was in fact genuine.
    Clearly if it is the case that users are flagging activities incorrectly then providing feedback would help the community.

    If we can teach people to flag and unflag more responsibly then presumably this would also save Strava Support from dealing with tickets on these issues.

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  • Here's an idea!

    Persistent cheaters get three strikes and out. If you get three verified flags for cheating the third gets your KOMs permanently deleted and a public ban for a year.

    Harsh? Maybe. Fair? Totally.

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  • Replying to Mike Strong above.

    hard to banish them as customers, but their account could be switched to just not having rides log on leaderboards.

    Great commentary otherwise!

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  • Can you please do some sanity checking of KOMs and CRs? There are some road climbs dominated by drives because downhill MTB riders get shuttled up it. VAMs in the thousands should be a pretty big hint. Or going 30+MPH up a 12% climb.

    Same with people running a mile/5K/whatever under world record pace. Auto-flag and explain to the user. It would be nice if it could be done for individual segments in an activity. In the shuttle to ride downhill example riders will likely just unflag because they want to see their downhill times.

    Various suggestions like these have been made for years, but here's another reminder in case Strava wants to improve their leader boards.

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  • I want to get a summary of where I am on the leaderboard for all segments that I have done, e.g., a list of the segments where I am first in my age group, second, third, or not in the top three.  Let me know if this is possible, but I haven't seen it and I think that it would be motivating as a feature.

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