Achievements: personal records, top 10, XOMs, best efforts, etc.

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  • Hi Ian Barton - great question! The top position on the Overall leaderboard for cycling activities will now hold the title of Course Record. This title is a more accurate reflection of the composition of the Overall leaderboard, which includes athletes from all gender identities. Queen and King of the Mountain will remain the title given to the athlete atop of the Women' and Men’s leaderboard for cycling activities. Because the CR is inclusive of athletes from all gender preferences, keep in mind that it is possible to have the top position (CR) as well as a KOM or QOM.

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  • Thanks for the comments on this.  I looked at quite a large sample of Segments yesterday and found about 0.6% (7 out of about 1200) have a CR that is neither the KOM or QOM.  I assume this is because the CR holder has either deliberately not identified as male or female or has perhaps not completed their profile. I found 1 out of about 1200 where the QOM was better than the KOM, and hence is also the CR (on a Segment attempted by 6 people).

    Based on my snapshot of the situation in my area it seems that the CR and KOM are the same for more than 99% of the Segments.  Hence I'm struggling to see why separation of these categories is important.  However, given that it has been decided to make this change I would like to have some way of identifying the small number of items where I have a KOM but not the CR - this would provide some challenge in trying to upgrade a few KOMs to CRs (at present the new KOMs / CRs tab shows both with no distinction).

    On a related point, I realise that treatment of performances that equal an existing KOM was changed a few months ago.  It used to be that only the first person to achieve a leading time was flagged as KOM but now all equalling performances are treated the same way.  This is fine, although I always felt a performance that equalled what another person has done is not as impressive as exceeding it.  Hence it might be of interest to flag those KOM (or CR) performances that exceed all preceding ones and those that merely equal another athlete.

    For what it's worth, I also looked at the number of Men and Women who have attempted Segments that have been attempted by at least 1000 people.  Generally the total number of Men and Women (determined by using the leader-board filters) was about 98% of the total number of people attempting a Segment, suggesting about 2% of athletes have chosen not to self-identify as Male or Female (or not completed their profile).

    To answer William's question, a few days ago I got 2 messages to say I had lost 2 CRs but the links failed.  Yesterday I got 2 messages to say I had lost 2 unrelated KOMs (which were also CRs).  The links worked fine although there was no message about losing the CRs.  I'm guessing that Strava are still fine-tuning the notification system to adapt to the new categories.

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  • Please change "Today" in "Same day" in the app. I want to compare my time on a segment with other people who rode the segment on the same day as I did. If I take a look at the segment that I rode on a Monday with 6Bft headwind I want to know what others did on that segment that same day. If today is Friday I only have the option to select "Today" which might be a day with 5Bft tailwind, which makes this information useless. 

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  • Hello

    It would be very inspiring if you would got A Medals (gold, silver and browns for your own this year best segment times and as well this year best 10 times trophy and this year KOM trophy, because several years use of strata it is very hard got all time 10 best list, but quite possible in this year list.

    And this should be seen in the feed also.

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  • Season's best please.  Just as you had it in 2015: https://blog.strava.com/new-year-new-achievements-9125/

    It's not possible to get any sort of PB on any of my regular rides.  a) I've cycled them all in every storm windy situation, way beyond even my peak fitness b) I am getting older, not younger, I'll never get back to previous fitness c) coming out of injury or some other break.  For all those scenarios there's no motivation around current fitness levels.  Really, it would be better if I started a new Strava profile, but why should I have to?

    Other things do pop up from time to time and I'm sure they're well meaning, but nothing makes more sense to me than doing a segment faster this week than I did last week, while also forgetting that years ago I once did it in half the time.

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  • Hi Strava: 
    For some reason You no longer make a notification if I loos a QOM. I have seen something about not sending notifications if the segment is bellow 0% .
    1) Why ? Makes no sense. Ophil-downhill-segments or segments starting-and-ending same place is very good training-tools and a great motivation - This is the MAIN reason i subscribe.

    2) You dont make notifikations on lost QOM/KOMs abowe 0% either - so ... reconsider this - it does not work !
    3) You have chosen not to send the above notifications in order not to send irrelevant notifications - but stil - I am spammed with notifications and emails about Local Legends - which I do not care for.
    Get those notifications on KOM/QOM's back please !!!

    Best regards
    Jeannie

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  • Emma Frost - I understand what you are saying, but there is no realistic way to determine whether someone was part of a "group ride" or riding solo in a lot of cases.  Strava's determination of a "group ride" is terrible.  I have been shown as riding "with" other people that I never saw a single time during the ride, I just happened to ride a similar route at near the same time.  Same thing for races.  I've been a little ahead of the pack, clearly not getting any drafting help from the group, yet I was close enough to them that most things would consider my ride to be part of a "group ride".  So, essentially, the only way to get a good determination of what a "group ride" is would need each person to tag that in their upload which isn't going to happen.  Heck, most people don't bother to even go back into Strava after a ride at all, just relying on the auto-upload/sync options from their devices.  

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  • Thank you for your great work.  I find that there are running segments where people were bike riding, beating world records; or bike segments where people were in their cars and forgot to turn off their Strava recording, again beating world records at 90 bpm or at 100 watts, probably without being aware, and nothing happens.  There are also e-bikers breaking records or setting times in the same leaderboards as users of non-e-bikes.

    This unnecessary noise makes segments less useful, harder to read or interpret, and takes away unnecessarily from Strava.

    I value the community-driven spirit Strava aims for. That seems to work pretty well to share rides, share challenges, keep accountability, and even marketing.  But flagging other people's mistakes does not seem to be a highlight of a community-driven spirit. Besides, there are so many mistaken activities in Strava, it would take ages for ordinary users like me, to flag those, and I find it hard to believe that Strava users will be motivated to do that long enough to filter thoroughly and sufficiently the Strava database.

    Using algorithms -or even artificial intelligence if necessary-, should be enough to improve this. The system detects a mistake automatically, corrects it automatically or provides suggestions and-or instructions to the user on how to fix the problem, and allows the user to give feedback in case the person has a valid argument to oppose or even reverse, the change.  That way, Strava can keep the positive things about being a community-driven service.

    Could you please give this some serious consideration?

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  • Kevin Caldwell

    I agree about #6, there will come a point for all segments where the top 10 will become static and thus pointless.

    However I don't think awarding a trophy just for being within 10s of the KOM is a good idea. This is a total doddle for any short segment and will devalue trophy achievements.

    There does need to be an alternative ranking system, either one that rewards recent times (e.g. the last 365 days) or one that rewards repeated efforts (e.g. you wouldn't get top spot just for having one fluke time).

    Otherwise the whole segment thing becomes pointless and that is Strava's USP.

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  • Kate Valler TBR

    They can and do !  My understanding is that any user can flag any Activity that is incorrectly categorised or has major GPS issues.  However, if a user has simply forgotten to stop their Activity before they get in a vehicle it is polite to add a comment on their Activity to point out the issue and give them a chance to crop out the offending data (if they decline to do this or don't respond then it's generally OK to flag the Activity to minimise leaderboard corruption). 

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  • I think that the difference is if you are a paying subscriber vs free. Leaderboard features (for subscribers) are described here: https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216917447-My-Segment-Results?mobile_site=true

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  • Yes, Strava were super fast creating this category!

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  • At the start of the 1st lockdown I decided to run a minimum of 5k every day. I carried on after lockdown ended and stopped after 200 days. My fitness score dropped off during this period. Any bike ride I fitted in seemed to up the score disproportionately so I decided that either I didn't understand how it worked, or I had configured something wrong, or it just wasn't very good. Unless running every day makes your fitness worse. Anyway I'm ignoring it.

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  • I would like to see ranking by demo group, the intersection of the three demographics you already track: gender, weight class, age group.  

    I am more interested (more motivated) in knowing how I rank against people similar to me.  When I look at my weight class, that can contain wide range of ages and vice versa.  These can influence performance strongly.  You already have all the data, just do intersection.  I tried to write and app to do this but your API won't let me pull this off.  Please consider adding this simple change.  If you agree, please vote up this post.

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  • If one has a reasonable doubt that a KOM is real (ex having used Ebike or so) can you suggest strava to review and validate?

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  • I run in a very mixed group- both in age and gender- would there ever be an option to include Age/Gender %- so we can compare efforts across these groups- it would help with inclusivity and allow a whole new area of achievement. This would perhaps be more meaningful- especially to runners than body weight!

     

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  • Is there a way to view an overview in your club - not just a leaderboard of which would be nice to include other activities like rowing and paddling and swimming and not just running and cycling. As currently only having these two on the leaderboard is excluding a lot of my members. :-(

    Secondly, I would like to see an overview of all members - a Pie chart if you will of all the activities, hours and distance done for all members collectively. 

    Please let me know if this can be done or not? 

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  • Could you please either add "5 miles" to the list of All-Time PRs or add a custom button so users can add their own custom distances? 5 miles is a common race distance and having run a course record, I’d love to include the distance.

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  • Additional support for Activity Type = Nordic Skiing.

    Would you add a way to denote if the Nordic Skiing activity is Skate or Classic when uploading/updating an activity?

    Would you also add a filter when searching activities to allow a search for Skate vs Classic when activity type = Nordic Skiing.

    Would you also allow a filter on Nordic Skiing leader boards for Skate vs Classic.

    Would you also allow filtering in Nordic Ski groups to Nordic Skiing, Roller Skiing type of activities if the Group owner so desired this type filtering.

    Thank you for your consideration.

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  • The more you ride and the better you perform the harder it is to have any achievements. Strava should award plaques if you beat a top 10 time on the leaderboard even if it is your 4th best effort on that segment. 

    For example. Suppose I have a KOM of 1:00 on a segment and two other times of 1:01 & 1:02 already logged in Strava. If I get a 1:03 today on a ride I will not be awarded any trophies even if my time is better than the 10th fastest time on the leaderboard. 

    it would be a nice way to reward you for extra efforts, esp in areas where there are not a whole lot of segments to ride. 

    thanks,

     

    Chris

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  • Backing this idea and adding more info:

    https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360073560211/comments/360014150892

    I want to be able to see my segment efforts ranked by average power.

    It will allow me to see those segments which I have completed with hardest effort somewhat negating the effects of weather and riding in a group or not. (Note thatriding at high power whilst in a group / with a following wind will still be beneficial as the segment will be finished quicker meaning the high power will have to be held for a shorter duration).

    The reason that is important is because the wind direction on a given day or whether I rode in a group or not can have a massive bearing on the power / effort required.

    When I do a hard effort in a segment into the wind there is almost no chance it will ever appear at the top of my best times despite being the hardest effort and that is not ok because it was a best "effort" if not best time (which may have been achieved with a 30 mph tailwind).

    This is important to me because I'd like an easy way to view my best (hardest) efforts in a segment, not necessarily my fastest.

    I think an option to rank my own efforts (everybodys efforts?) by power would be great because then I could see my hardest efforts irrespective of external factors. This is important to me because I'd like to be able to track power improvements over segments.

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  • After the latest update the "View Your Clubs' Activities" drop down menu is all the way at the bottom, who came up with this "improvement"? Step back. It takes more clicks just to get to Leaderboards. Why not just put all Clubs' Leaderboards in one view chart.

    Also, it would be great to have Following or Followers Clubs set up as default Club.

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  • Hi Alex Ryback! Thank you for your feedback on segment matching and your suggestion on sorting your top times by the bikes you've added to your profile. I will definitely pass along that suggestion to our Product Team for future consideration!

    In regard to your feedback on segment matching, this is typically caused by the flexibility we include within our segment matching algorithm that accounts for GPS drift that happens from time to time. However, this can also cause inaccurate segment matching in cases where two segments are located closely together. Please check out our KB article for more information on this: https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918187-Segment-Matching-Issues. I hope that helps!

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  • Carey Connell Thank you for your feedback regarding the leaderboards for rowing segments! It certainly could be useful to sort the leaderboards on rowing segments based on the type of boat used in the activity. While we cannot promise immediate changes, I am sharing your feedback with our Product Team for consideration in our roadmap.

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  • I am to add some comment to several important above comments.

    E-bikes, electric scooters are somehow present on kom's. It shall be monitored by admin or algorithms, however, it can be controlled by users as well. As I see someone going on bike route in the city up to 83kmh where it is impossible to ride on flat with a such speed, such person/record shall be changed to e-users or normally moved to "abnormal" records. It is also advisable to distinquish solo and group records.

    I am observing some records where detailed information of such segment are proven to be abnormal for real user - for instance flat speed within various curves unable to sustain , flat heart rate with a rising speed and power. Users with weight of 125kg faster on 10-15 degrees climb /faster by 30 sec on 2.5 min segment/ are not likely to achieve such time. 

    I suggest to confirm records validity in terms of more sensors added, there is a specific characteristic of real and ebike/scooter user. We as users can legitimate such record with props/ record kudos.

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  • Development ideas for KOMs/CRs (something has been mentioned partially)

    KOMs/CRs

    This functionality can be found behind one's profile. Would it be possible to add another tab that would show performances on segments where one has entered TOP 100 (not exactly KOM but on the way there, it is still an achievement!). This way these performances would be easy to find (for example I am second on one segment, would be nice to be able to access it fast) and even motivate oneself to set a better goal (head for the KOM) via My Goals functionality. Here how I see this functionality:

    - TOP 100 -tab behind Profile (this could be for subscribers only -> another reason to join Strava)

    - When tab selected, display similar tiles as in KOM/CR except with more details (more info below) and possible filters and sorting (more info below)

    - More details: details of my ride, my ranking, time, power and the info of the person one rank higher than me, his name, time and power and a link to create a goal (like in My Goal) for this segment (later you maybe could add chance in % of beating the guy ahead of me on my absolutely best day based on power curve information and maybe something else too like past performances, and maybe later even what would it take to reach KOM), also information if I have set a goal for this segment in the future.

    - Possible filters and sorting: cycling and running separately, sorting by rank on different segments

    - Not to compete with TOP 10, maybe there could be two tabs, one for TOP 10 and another for TOP 100 (top 100 would allow more planning/goal setting and make it more exciting as you climb the ranking and is generally easier to enter).

    I think these features would motivate people to subscribe, set goals, reach goals and ride/run even more! 

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  • Situation: I wanted to reach out about an alarming, and aggressively targeted situation happening to one of my cyclist friends who is a woman of transgender experience. During her transition, and changing her gender on the app, it seems that her rides and segment crowns have been reported and flagged.

    Why this is important: I can't imagine this is the first time such bullying and targeting has happened to riders on this app, and I'm hoping we can use data to better protect and be allies for these important community members, rather than allow behaviors that push them away from an activity which we all derive great community and enjoyment. Not only do many cyclists of trans experience go through immense stress simply breathing in this world, but now they are forced to handle the stress of an app blocking them. An app, that can create and support positive movement. 

    What I think could help: if Strava technology can recognize that their was a recent change in gender, a tool/code can be put in place to immediately address or notify the Strava team if there is a mass (or any) amount of flagging taking place on their account. The reason this is important is to prevent bullying and create a smoother, supportive transition. I must also note in the design of this feature to bring in other opinions beside my own (as I am a cis white woman).

    I would be certain Strava and it’s progressive and inclusive culture, is working on some sort of code or way to make this situation much better for our trans sports community. Thank you for helping!

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  • Hi Brian Fessenden - I agree with the concept that a XOM is worth more if more athletes have attempted the Segment.  Maybe this could be reflected with a "Gold" XOM if the Segment has been attempted by at least 1000 people, "Silver" if between 100 and 1000, "Bronze" if between 10 and 100 and "Plastic" if less than 10 ?

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  • Hi, I have a suggestion for you. 

    I want to see, when biking or running, which segments that are new to me with some visual indicator. The reason that is important is because it helps distinguishing between a new segment (first time) vs. those that I did in the past but didn't get any achievements in this activity.

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  • It’s a straight forward question: do you think the Strava KOM/QOM activity is a competition? If you answer yes (as I would) then it doesn’t make sense to be able to get a KOM/QOM crown by simply creating a segment that only you have ridden.

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