Achievements: personal records, top 10, XOMs, best efforts, etc.

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  • It would be nice to have a few more race distances available under All Time PRs. There are a number of popular road race and collegiate cross country race distances not currently included like the 8K and 5 Mile. I don't know if this feature would be better as completely customizable where any race distance could be created as a PR or if simply adding a more comprehensive list of race distances would be able to accommodate better personal record tracking.

    I also think that in their current form, Estimated Best Efforts are not as clear of a data point as they could be. Unfortunately, they are often linked to activities containing some kind of data glitch in which incorrect satellite data is projecting a perhaps ambitious estimated best time at a certain distance. A solution might include the ability to self confirm if a best effort pace is associated with an activity that was recording accurate data. I realize this one is a tougher bug to fix as the variability of GPS data will always be difficult to pin down with complete accuracy.

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  • Hernán Vallejo

    Strava claim to have already done this in a July 26, 2021 update.

    To be fair I do know a friend who got one of these alerts because Strava thought they were on a ebike after they beasted it up some climbs. However this doesn't stop a constant spam of people taking KOMs while in a car and other really blatant false results. Clearly this algorithm needs a bit more work.

    If they could just solve the vehicle issue that would be a great bonus.

    If this is expensive computationally, perhaps they could only apply this extra checking to activities that take KOMs, etc.

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  • Jason Lamoreaux
    That's not completely accurate.  There are two primary sports - cycling and running.  When I change my activity to "handcycle" it does not change my leaderboard.  it lumps me in with all of you super fast able body athletes. Perhaps there is something I am missing?  I actually just created a new topic on this so that athletes with disabilities (handcycle & Wheelchair) have our own leaderboard to separate us from you guys.  I love competition as much as the other guy but I will never be as fast as the top performers here using my arms to pedal a bike.  its physiologically impossible.

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  • I don't think ebike riders are being dishonest. I'm sure the vast, vast majority of riders would be perfectly happy to declare their assistance level. Maybe one day the bike will communicate directly with Strava and communicate that information.

    The reason that huge numbers of ebike rides are down as rides is the way the Strava app is designed. There needs to be a greater assumption that people are riding ebikes in large numbers and it is no longer a niche option. Start with the assumption that all new riders are on ebikes unless they select otherwise.

    A human can easily spot when an ebike has been used, if the algorithms aren't that advanced yet then I feel they could be a lot more aggressive in re-categorising rides. Especially where the rider has no gear listed and is recording on an iPhone (or even worse an Apple Watch!)

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  • is there a way to see my fastest ever 100km for activity type cycling?

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  • Why don’t local cycle groups or regular cyclists audit their local areas for strava. I would be happy to do mine to prevent the blatant and frankly frustratingly annoying E bile, gps data issue or people in cars!

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  • Miguel Oliveira

    I'm not familiar with e-bikes (I've never ridden one) but I thought you could just change the Activity type to "E-bike ride" or "E-mountain bike ride" if you want to record data about such things.  What happens when you try this ?

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  • Why no estimated best efforts for cycling like there are for running. This is a glaring issue in my opinion.

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  • Hi Strava Support. Hi Jojo

    There is already a lot of cheated rides in my area.

    I wanna flag them all but flag limit activated and I can't flag any more.

    The flag limit block me to do right action for segment leaderboards.

    Please solve the problem immediately.

    Best regards...

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  • Extend feature 'my segments'

    I would like to see an additional column to the feature 'my segments' with my classification on that segment. Now you only can see you're PR, but not if you are 13th or 99th on the segment.

    Furthermore i would like to see that there will be added on option to filter in the feature 'my segments'. So that you can filter on for example distance or My PR. 

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  • I'd like to follow on what Crispin H posted above. I'd like to have night time segments vs day time segments. Down here in summer we ride night times as well, and it would be fun to be able to compete on segments at night and not against the day time riders who will almost always be faster due to better visibility. So a night version of the segment vs a daylight version. 

    Also I'd like the ability to see my gear (bike) I rode on segment leaderboards. We already log the bike we rode, so it would be nice to compare stats between eg an XC bike and a Trail bike/ebike, just based on the gear chosen. 

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  • as as a mountain biker, night time segments would be awesome -especially as here in the UK every journey to the woods after 5pm is with a head torch.

    working out when sun sets for a given (lat, long) point is a well-known piece of maths; for MTB trails it'd give you a top ten list to chase at night where your inevitably slower than daytime once the trail gets technical. 

    for people who haven't tried night-time MTB riding yet -have a go! In the northern hemisphere the time is right, and it makes short local trails exciting little adventures.

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  • This is a proper corker…
    When you post a ride as commute, when the ride is analysed it would be great to put how much fuel (petrol or diesel) you have saved, and the cost.
    You would need to enter your car MPG and local fuel price.
    Then you could a, feel smug and b, justify that new bike.
    You could also have carbon saved.
    Also great to calculate exact carbon savings in city’s by bikes to give local govt the push to get more cycling infrastructure.

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  • https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360073560211/comments/360013097011

    Group rides should be separate on leaderboards to solo rides. It is totally demotivating to achieve a QOM/KOM to have it smashed by a rider sat doing nothing in a fast moving group. Anyone can sit in a pack and draft!!

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  • Braden Edwards ^That wouldn't be very practical....what about other countries that have different rules for e-bikes ? Are Strava supposed to have different categories for different countries ? You have a 20MPH limit, in Australia (for instance) the limit is 25KPH. Strava cannot be expected to have multitudes of categories for all around the world.

    some people always have a pretty substantial advantage over me.

    Some people will always have an advantage....they are bigger, stronger, can afford a better bike...just compete against yourself and your PB.

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  • Mike Nottingham. It's very, very easy to source a users location via a current location ping or based on account country settings... I do this stuff for a living. They'd simply adjust based on locale. 

    Saying "just compete against yourself" isn't constructive or solving the problem. 

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  • @Jason Lamoreaux Ian Barton - First - I am unsure you've been alerted to this - I used "@" and your names - there's not a normal reply tab here.

    Much obliged for not verbally beating me to death. I tried looking this up and found literally zero results and I get it. Being stubborn I'd also disagree in a few ways. I also do not want participation trophies - and I can read the data, but it just looks wrong. 

    This is competition, but - it's also not at all b/c there are

    1) too many cheaters now w/ ebikes

    2) cheaters using others sports (like ski / boarding) to take cycling KOMs/T-10's in ski areas that are also bike parks)

    3) incredible amounts of bad data

    4) segment matching problems that award KOMs/T-10's without the rider having ridden the segment   - and numerous other issues 

    5) There can be any # of KOM's if tied - I'm on one with 22 other riders and then it jumps to 23rd - there's no Top 10 and that's misleading for any number of riders.

    6) This is going to compound over the years meaning at downhill parks or heavy-use areas - an actual Top 10 will no longer exist. Ranking will go KOM, #37, 141, 212 - and that's just not interesting or realistic. 

    Because Strava can't record in greater than 1 sec intervals (and I do understand my "best" times can be off even w/ the best GPS data) - its not really the same as an actual race and in fact, dissimilar enough that I'd rather see 22 people tied for KOM / Top 10 than see the missing places

    Ian's notion that having a plus seconds is a good idea.  

    My point was showing ranking this way is fine - but then a placement like 1,2,3 and so would be more helpful. I had no clue until the other day that being #149 was actually like 5th or 6th place so I gave up working on that segment.

    I'm wizzing in the wind on this one I'm sure but Strava doesn't explain it and in fact, I couldnt' find out how ranking worked anywhere but given that some of these segments are impossible to achieve KOMs or T-10s - I'm now wondering why even keep data on them?  You're 7 seconds out but in 1,001st place?  Useless.  

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  • A friend of mine has the same screen on their phone as Maxime as above but I can still see all the leader boards on my phone. Are there different versions of the app?? We both have the latest updates from the Apple App Store.

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  • on the segment leader board, particularly on the 'today' leader board it would be cool if along with the date you put the time of day.   there are days when winds change significantly and the morning riders have a much different experience than the afternoon riders had on the same segment on the same day. 

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  • I run with a stroller. Could you add that as a category (along with running, walking etc)? And it would also be super fancy (and rewarding) if it would be possible to specify the weight of the stroller (including children, groceries, dogs and what not).

    Thanks!

    Edit: sorry if this is not the correct thread.

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  • I don't know if the idea has already been submitted or not. During a training run with friends, we were taking 2-3 segments and we had this thought.
    Why should we fight for segments against people who are not in the same category as us? And why should we set unattainable records for some people?

    As we continued our race we had this thought. In all sports, even running, competitions are done by level. But not yet on Strava.

    So an idea came to us. Why not make the system similar to what we see in many video games. Rankings by category (Diamond 1, Diamond 2 [...], Bronze 1, Bronze 2) with a proper language that Strava would create. Records/segments that also belong to these categories. Category changes according to our monthly, quarterly or yearly statistics and our records in competition.
    This would probably allow us to grow more via the application by setting goals that correspond to us and that are not at the level of the best runner in our region.
    Of course, we could also keep the "all time record" side. But I think that a development of this kind of functionality could allow many of us to find an additional interest in running virtually with/against each other.

    Feel free to tell me what you think about it and if you have other ideas to add, I'm interested :).

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  • Just thought of something that is useful for all commuters (like me): I'm trying to find the most efficient route between two places. For this, it would be very useful to see my average cruise speed. For example, today I cycled to work and my average speed was 38.8 km/h, but I saw it well above 40 km/h on a number of sections. Whether this was a fast route or not however, depends very much on the weather conditions (temperature, wind etc.). 

    I know that I was cruising between 48 and 50 km/h a good number of times, but it would be valuable to see my average cruise speed (based on a number of variables, f.e. "cruise speed is achieved on straight sections after x seconds").

    If I ride a different route this afternoon, and manage 37.5 km/h average but my cruise speed is only 42 km/h, it's possible to make a good estimation of what route is more efficient, especially if my average power is also significantly lower than it was on the ride to work in the morning.

    Quite useful information: It can tell me to choose a longer but more efficient route if I'm late but feeling very strong, or a longer but more efficient route when I'm feeling particularly spent (to avoid acceleration).

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  • @William O: if you live in the northern hemisphere-now is the ideal time to enjoy MTB night rides. Try it if you can!

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  • I would absolutely love to see separate segment categories for Class 1 E bikes and Class 3 E bikes. 

    I have created tons of segments in my local area and push myself to do my best every ride. However, because there is no separation between class 1 and class 3 E bikes, some people always have a pretty substantial advantage over me.

    I ride a class 1 EMTB, which gives assist up to 20 MPH. Another person that competes on my segments rides a class 3, and is beating some of my max effort segments by over a minute, despite having a relaxed heart rate. 

    This is important to me because segments help me push myself. I'm always looking to be just a little bit better than my last ride. 

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  • Can you PLEASE add segments and all of the segment achievements to E-bike rides?  I’ve been a paid subscriber for 2 years and it’s frustrating that I can’t see my segments!  Most of the time I’m not even worried about the leaderboard, but would like to view certain areas of the trail.  Seriously, E-bikes are riders too!  Why can’t we have our own leaderboards?!!!  Obviously this isn’t just my opinion - there are other posts mentioning the same thing!  In order to view segments we have to change our activity to ride instead of e-bike ride and then we get called out for messing up all of the regular riders achievements!

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  • I am writing to suggest Strava show actual timed placement in addition to (or better - instead of) segment rankings. Example - 2500 riders on a segment. 1st place is 25 seconds but I'm in "30th Place" at 28 seconds. 

    That is - I'm only 3 seconds out from tying 1st place and since Strava can only rank in 1-second intervals (this is not the UCI) I'm actually in 4th place - the 4th possible timed slot, not "30th" which is useless to know.  See attached segment times image example - there are 2500 riders on the segment so only 2 in 1st and 8 in 3rd. In my view those 8 are 2nd and the following 12 are 3rd place and so on... 

    1st Place - 25 seconds - 2 riders tied K/QOM

    3rd Place - 15 riders at 26 seconds

    18th Place - 12 riders at 27 seconds 

    30th place -  25 riders at 28 seconds.  

    So realistically 1st place is set, 2nd place is 26 seconds, 3rd place is 27 seconds, and so on. How is this not an option? 

    I see this issue repeatedly on many segments where I rank 129 or 151st but am only 3-4 seconds off of 1st / KOM so its much more interesting to see that number as actual placement vs. rank based on # of riders tied for a rank. 

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  • More and more e-bikes will be present in our lives and I'm sorry to be discriminated against for having one. I think strava should think about creating its own raking for e-bikes. Honestly, I didn't think it was fair to have a single rating for bikes because a mountain bike will never be able to compete in a road segment against a road bike, but that's another story, now because you have an e-bike you are excluded from being able to compare the segments with the your e-bike partners find it super unfair and brutally discriminatory. Regardless of everything, road, mountain, electric we are all cyclists, at least I see things that way.
    As there are several filters, weight, age, gender, etc, I don't understand how difficult it is to create another filter/raking for mountain bikes and electric bikes.
    The biggest benefit of using strava is being able to evaluate your performance and compare your performance on several routes that you repeat, when this is not allowed it is frustrating and I think it is unfair to be excluded for using an e-bike.
    It would be nice to be able to compare my performances with my friends who have e-bikes, I'm not interested in being the KOM, but I would like to be able to compare my performance with the best.
    E-bikes are here to stay and only those who have never tried one the right way can say anything bad about them, well used they are as challenging as any mountain or road bike.
    It's not fair to have a single raking in which electrics are included, but it's also not fair to compare a mountain bike with a road bike on a road segment, maybe it was time for an update, I don't understand what Strava is for waiting.
    It makes me sad to be discriminated against for having gone from having a mountain bike to an electric mountain bike.
    We are all cyclists in this there is no doubt

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  • Million dollar idea for a new competition statistic: Kinetic Energy

    Problem (for runners): All competitive running is measured based on time alone, which privileges tiny runners. This is discriminatory toward larger bodied individuals. Attempts to make bigger people feel included in the sport - such as the creation of "Clydesdale" divisions - really just segregate bigger people into an inferior and socially stigmatized subcategory, still based on time alone. This discourages participation from larger people, leading to negative health outcomes.

    Problem (for Strava): You will quickly run out of new subscribers if you only appeal to semi-pro runner types. For long term growth, you need to attract people of all sizes and abilities.

    Solution: The creation of a new competition statistic (NOT a wellness or training statistic) that measures the average kinetic energy of a runner over a specific running segment. A second statistic, which adjusts kinetic energy based on BMI (a measure of "kinetic energy density"), is also possible. Since kinetic energy is a statistic based on both speed and weight, it can give credit to (and encourage motivation in) larger runners.

    Basic Newtonian physics defines kinetic energy (KE) as 1/2 mass times velocity squared (KE = 1/2mv^2). Since Strava segments are spatially established, KE can be calculated for every runner on every Strava segment simply using Strava's existing segment time data (velocity = average speed on a segment) along with runner weights (mass = weight). Strava possesses the data right now to establish KE as a third leaderboard stat (along with fastest time and local legends) on every running segment.

    A fourth leaderboard stat, kinetic energy density (KED) or "bulbosity", can also be derived by starting with body mass index calculations, which is simply mass divided by height squared. Here, KED would be calculated by simply dividing existing KE by height squared, since mass is already included as a main factor in KE (KED = KE/h^2). This can also be calculated immediately using Strava's existing data.

    My personal experience as a Clydesdale champion should be highly instructive for Strava. I am a 250 pound, 5'11" runner who defies expectations by finishing generally in the top 25% of most segments by time (and I am #1 in my weight class on every segment I've ever run). Yet most normal runners do not think I am a runner, or that I belong at racing events (often people assume I'm a t-shirt table volunteer) - which, at times, has discouraged me from participation. I started calculating my KE stats for specific segments (on a track, on flat pavement, on hilly dirt, etc.) and found that, for longer, tougher segments, I am sometimes #1 on a hypothetical KE leaderboard (calculated by comparing my KE to the KOM on a segment, using the median value in their weight class as an approximation of their weight). Plus, since my KE would be the same as another taller runner with identical time and weight, but with 6 more inches of height and stride length, KED calculations correct for body shape - and even more often elevate me as #1. If Strava included KE and KED as competition measures, I would be more excited and motivated, and I have some big boy friends who would be as well.

    If you want to see these stats in practice, check out some of my strava posts over the past few months in which I calculated KE compared to the KOM in the description section. These little experiments proved to me that not only does KE allow me to actually compete for top spots in a leaderboard, but the stat itself produces leaderboards with a lot of movement - for example, just a few more pounds (at the same average segment time) would elevate me to a higher position, while a KOM time that improves by only a few seconds would elevate their position. It allows real competition between different sized runners, which is motivating, fun, and a new thing for runners to think about.

    Strava recently removed the ability to see other users' weight classes, so I can no longer calculate approximate KE for my runs. So I strongly encourage Strava to add these stats ASAP! 

    When these stats are added, encouraging rapid growth in Strava users and better health outcomes for plus sized individuals, I hope you will at least cite me - and consider signing me as the world's first sponsored kinetic energy athlete!

    Sincerely, 

    FlexMatic

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  • "Achievement" is actually a subjective term.

    To some it is simply getting out and walking a mile, to others it is cycling longer than they have ever been before, to others it will be making that 10th rep up that hillside that makes their legs scream for rest and for some it is getting back from a chronic injury.

    To ignore ALL of that and simply say say "Nah....you didn't go faster than Johnny Boy Whats-his-name" did on that section" (especially when he targets that segment as he is 'like-fishing') is to demean everyone that is following a structured plan.

    Running with a HRM to stay below your MAFF threshold for 2 hours? That will be dismissed over Johhny Boy's 5 minute blast.

    Sort this out.

    A true achievement is setting a specific target and hitting it.  Not just swinging your d*** faster than Johnny Boy.

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