PR achievements on first attempt

Hello all, 

We're releasing a slight change to our PR (personal record) achievements. Now, when you first attempt a new segment you will receive a PR. Before, this would only occur on the second attempt if you beat your PR.  

Let us know if you have feedback for us.

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  • I'm afraid I'm not a fan. But then, I'd prefer it if no 2nd or 3rd best time was given unless you'd actually beaten a previous time (i.e if you had only ridden it 2 or 3 times). That way you only get an achievement when you've actually ridden faster than you had previously. Otherwise you haven't actually achieved anything.

    I'm sure many people disagree!

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  • I'm not liking how noisy this is making the segment feed. Would go along with suggestion to denote first attempt, and leave records for where you have actually shown an improvement. This is taking the fun out of exploring.

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  • Its a tricky one. While technically your first attempt is your personal best it does give others a misleading impression. Eg on my ride yesterday i got 95 PRs that makes it look that either i was really rubish last time of my performance has magically improved. I would agree with the idea of a FA award for "first attempt".

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  • I dislike the PR for the first time you ride a new segment.

    If I take a new route, it looks like I put out my best effort even I stopped 10 times to check my map or just rolled it slow because I am unfamiliar.

    I didn't mind it when there was no indicator, but I think it would be better if there is a 1st Time badge, which would be relevant if I want to research my times and routes.

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  • I don't like this change at all. How can you have a PR with nothing to gauge it against? Followers might look at your ride and think you've ridden a blinder when it fact it could have been quite average. As others have said it is also confusing when you ride a new route that might include some segments previously ridden. Maybe have a "New" badge but to be honest I think most people are well aware if they're riding different roads or trails.

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  • I'm against this change.

    I agree that a PR should be relative to other attempts. To call a single attempt a "PR" is true, but is also a trivial result, and hence devoid of any real meaning.

    Plus, as others have stated, going on a long ride in some new area littered with segments should not result in rides with potentially dozens of PRs, as if I'd actually achieved something. To me, PRs are an indication of me beating myself on some segment. Not just riding it.

    If this were a democracy, I'd definitely be pulling the lever for NO to first-attempt segment results listed as PRs.

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  • Not sure this needs more support for a revert but PLEASE do. 

    Like many others I think that flagging new segments ridden in some way is very useful but does really create a lot of 'trophy noise' which drowns out any signal. 

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  • Getting a PR for the first time of riding a segment is wrong!  This is part of the "everybody gets a medal" mentality - it's childish.

     

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  • This is a silly update. How can a PR be the same as a new segment? I have 3 things to say to the people who thought this was a good idea. Stupid stupid & stupid. Please roll back this dumb feature asap so I can see my real achievements. I'm sorry to sound so harsh, but seriously? 

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  • How will I know if I beat my previous time if it has a PR for the first attempt?  If I improve every time it will always show PR, and ditto if I get worse every time.  Useless feature - and I use the term feature advisedly.  Please revert to previous only getting PR done segment twice.

     

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  • Yes, fine, your only attempt is technically your personal record. It is also your worst ever. Maybe all first attempts (and worst attempts in general) should get a poop emoji instead of PR. More motivating to go out and improve?

    Anyway Strava/Elle - this change has been out and you've received feedback for over a month. Is there any chance of this being reverted? It appears overwhelmingly not appreciated in here. I have yet to meet anybody who likes the change, though I'm sure there are some. Most I've asked assume it is another Strava bug, though I'm sure most wouldn't know how to find this thread to leave feedback.

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  • Well, that's my premium membership downgraded and this given as a cause, along with #bringbackchronological.

    It seems no one cares, or they're busy working out what else to "improve". 

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  • My premium membership also downgraded for now. I don't think Strava are listening to their users (how many negative feedbacks do Strava need before they remove this stupid new feature?!) If you're listening and working on fixing it, at least say so! Personally I'd quite like to see a choice of how to sort my feed - chronological by upload, chronological by date ridden, or by what Strava thinks is interesting.

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  • I also downgraded my membership from Premium. Strava has shown itself to have become willfully tone deaf to the preferences of its athletes. The ridiculous non-chrono feed, this latest sprinkling of 1,000 "PR's" simply because you rode somewhere you had never been before, to the constant outpouring of "featured athlete" blogs. So much vacuous crap mascarading as "improvements." Instead of giving us requested services such as badges noting age-group KOM's, overall top ten badges for segments, etc. we get drivel for our ~ $60 a year premium membership. I realized there was only one service that was mildly worth my premium membership, and with that epiphany I happily cancelled. Even Elle, who I have respected, has been drawn into the Strava spinning of their mistakes ... "we are monitoring feedback regarding this small change ..." No, Elle/Strava, this is not a small change. Quit minimizing. Start listening. Quit shitting on your customers.

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  • Add me to the voices that are strongly against this change. A PR with nothing to compare it to is valueless and degrades all of the real PRs.

    I like the idea of a special marker for first-time segments, and also I like the idea that the worst time does not qualify for any award (PR, 2nd or 3rd) no matter how many prior attempts there are. This is an elegant solution to the problem of meaningless awards.

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  • I asked Strava if they have a timeline for deciding whether these new features will be reversed and was told they have no plans to do so at the moment.

    Cancelling premium subscription until they sort it out. Very disappointed they seem to have confused their product with Facebook, Instagram etc.

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  • Agree with most above, this 'PR for every first attempt' really dilutes the usefulness of the app, and makes it very hard to scan your performance after a ride.

    At least maybe give us control over it, and give us a switch in Settings to turn that 'feature' (term used loosely) OFF.

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  • I noticed this a few weeks ago.  I don't like it.  You can't, in my opinion, have a PR on your first try. And it muddles the ride stats, especially if there are other segments that you "actually" PR on.  There's no differentiator.

    Please put it back, or make those an option.

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  • I'm also downgrading. Maybe that will light a fire up their asses. Won't be long before gcn and Dc rainmaker chime in also. Hope you are ready for the coming storm. 

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  • Ditto downgraded until resolved

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  • Just downgraded too few minutes ago.

    Maybe they will add soon a checkbox "Leaving Premium because last changes are stupid" !

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  • My feedback - a bit irritating. I'm in favour of PRs only when I have data to beat. Before this change, on a 2nd attempt you knew you were guaranteed a PR or 2nd-best trophy, which made the achievement kinda worthless. This new change makes it worse, so I'd got more strict in the other direction and only hand out a trophy if you've actually beaten something, ie, a PR only if there's 2 attempts, a 2nd place only if there's 3 attempts, etc.

    I do like the idea that others are suggesting of a badge or trophy or count of the number of new segments you've found during the activity.

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  • Downgraded too... Until Strava stops being deaf

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  • Hi Strava,

    how is this even remotely necessary or important? You have far bigger problems at your hand, for example an unchronological activity feed.

    All this does is; firstly showing PRs instead of the actual KOM or QOM achievement. Your workaround refreshing the activity works but is highly annoying and certainly cannot be the intended long term solution.

    Also, it simply serves to jack up the medal count on rides and runs which in return is absolutely unnecessary. It simply fills your activities with junk 'achievements' of no actual worth. Of course the first attempt is a PR on any segment... how that is worth a medal however, is beyond logic. Basically you are giving out participation medals. 

    Btw.... the gamification attempt would only work with a chronological activity feed.

     

    So how about you start listening to your customers, the survey should be a pretty clear cut case too, your Facebook page certainly is and firstly bring back a chronological feed, or at least the option (Veloviewer and Stravatistix have both managed to do it in a matter of days) and secondly respect your users privacy. 

     

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  • This is gotta be one of the most lame-brained changes.  Clearly the folks in the Product Development department are not regular motivated users.  Typical to add features just for the sake of adding features since that's their job.

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  • I find this downdate to be shit. While not technically wrong, it's disingenuous to call it a PR if it is your first time riding a segment. Plus, it makes going through my segments with previous and comparable attempts impossible to glance through to see how I'm progressing. SUGGESTION: have a "1st ride/run" graphic in place of PR.

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  • Dumb.  Stupid.  Idiotic.  First, what's the point?  To make newbs feel special?  Do we get participation trophies too?  The old system has been in place for years and we all stuck with Strava and cycling (and I assume running).  Further, it keeps us long-time members from comparing achievement #s from year to year.  AND it makes it hard to discern *REAL* PRs in a ride if you do a new route to the base of a climb or something.  JUST a TERRIBLE idea. CHANGE IT BACK!!!  NOW. 

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  • Oh, and I give Strava one more week (and how many more negative comments?) before I downgrade my and my wife's memberships.  If it's going to take a hit to the pocketbook to make them listen, so be it. 

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  • I don't like this change. You get a PR whether you have a crack or walk your bike while eating a hamburger. You also don't have anything to benchmark your performance on for the first time on a route. So for these two reasons I don't think there should be any medal (unless you snag yourself a top 10 of course).

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  • Thumbs down.

    It is really confusing and hides away actual efforts (personal improvement!) I wanted to see in a given ride. It feels like it is just a way to boost my results, when in fact it is distracting at best.

     

    I would love to have the old behavior back. Or at least a way to opt-out of this functionality.

    There is no point in seeing tens or hundreds of achievements in a ride just because I passed through new roads and someone put a segment in there.

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