PR achievements on first attempt

Hello all, 

We're releasing a slight change to our PR (personal record) achievements. Now, when you first attempt a new segment you will receive a PR. Before, this would only occur on the second attempt if you beat your PR.  

Let us know if you have feedback for us.

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  • I don't like this change. The PR's on the first time on a segment dilute the actual PRs you get when doing a ride. Please go back to the old setup, or allow users to select their preference. 148 trophies on my first time on a route seems silly to me.

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  • hate. so bad. at least i can download a plug in to get rides back in chrono order. this really blows.

     

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  • Looks like they made their mind up to leave it as is ;-(

    https://twitter.com/StravaSupport/status/935216528663941124

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  • This is making it incredibly hard to see actual PRs and to track progress on segments. Is Strava even considering reverting, or are we wasting our time just like with chrono order?

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  • This past Sunday I had a group ride along a route that included a couple of very long streets containing a ton of segments as it went up through the city. The majority of the ride was along routes I'd ridden with this group a few times before. The ride turned into something of a hammerfest on the way back to the bike shop. When the ride was posted I had something like 45 achievements, but about half of the PRs ended up being the segments along the part of the route I hadn't ridden before, and the other half were actual PRs that were my best attempt yet at segments I'd ridden 5 or 6 times before.

    Obviously the new segment PRs were meaningless to me and were a chore to wade through, while I enjoyed looking at the PRs and other achievements that compared that day's ride with my previous ride, to see how much better I'd actually done.

    Again, this new regime where PRs are awarded for first-time attempts is really, really, ridiculously stupid. @Elle Anderson, please explain to us 1) why Strava thought this would be a good idea, and 2) what evidence Strava has that its customer base actually likes this dubious "feature" and would like it to continue. We're up to quite a few contributions to this thread so far, and as far as I can see everyone who could be bothered to come chime here hates it.

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  • I must say that what is most frustrating here is a lack of response or even acknowledgment of the significant negative feedback this change has had. It feels as though, if indeed this post is being 'monitored' that Elle Anderson and the Strava team simply do not respect the community enough to provide answer or rebuttal. This is frustrating. 
    Matt

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  • As a protest to the new PR for everyone mentality -
    Premium subscription cancelled.

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  • Laurence I
    Laurence I.
    Nov 27, 4:10 AM PST

    I think this pb's for first timing a road is stupid!

    I would sincerly like it removed from the site!

    It is not a personal best untill you have ridden it twice. Then if you first effort was better? good for you that should show as a pb.

    I look for pb's to see that I am improving or pushing harder. Just giving them for going up a new road, waters doen the meaning of getting a pb till it is meaningless.

    I did a nice 90k winter ride yesterday 3-5 pb's for roads I know I have ridden (good) 60 for all the new stuff! (meaningless)

    I think its really to the detriment of a site that is all about sweat, training and personal achivment!

    If you want to add in a FT (first time) or something that might be usefull but do not change the meaning of a feature I have used for 6 years!!!

    thank you

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  • Wow!

    I am pleased to see that 99% of users agree with me.

    I hope your company has the sense to acknowledge a mistake and rectify it swiftly.

    If you do my respect for you will actual increase.
    Please make the right decision and listen to your user base.

    This change is actively dissuading me from riding new places....

    Well with strava anyway!

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  • Just in case anyone was in any doubt as to the level of interest from Strava on our feedback, this from the Support team: "The only update I have regarding responding to that forum is that there is no update. We currently do not have a set time or plan to respond to the feedback in that forum. We may respond at some time, but we don't know when that would be."

    Wow. Good job Strava.

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  • I have just cancelled my Premium subscription because of this. Strava will pay attention when revenue declines.

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  • I don't think the alternative to scoring a PR for a first attempt on a segment is to have some other achievement like a "first time" cup. The alternative is to have no achievement at all.

    If I go on a very long ride through parts of town or the nearby cities where every meter of road is part of one or more segments, I really don't need to see 50 or 60 achievements show up for new segments I've ridden. It's just noise. When I consider the group ride I did this past Sunday where a majority of the route was over segments I've ridden with this group before, but one section, comprising quite a few segments, was new, it sucked having to wade through all the "first time" PRs to have a look at the PRs that represented actual personal bests on segments I've ridden a few times. Having to wade through an equal number of "first time" badges or whatever would just be a distraction as well.

    Really this was much better before. I have no idea what gave the devs this wild hair to make this particular change. And now I have no idea why they keep it when the only source for feedback on this that i've yet seen, ie: this thread, is overwhelmingly opposed to it.

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  • Terrible “feature” almost certainly driven by technical solution rather than user feedback. It’s made Strava much less useful and interesting.

    Even worse no response on it.

    I’ve cancelled my premium subscription.

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  • Hate this idea, totally devalues actual PRs and makes actual PRs impossible to pick out.

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  • It makes looking at your PR’s completely useless. I’m not even checking anymore because of the many first attempt ‘fake’ PR’s. Considering cancelling premium subscription. One more thing, is there anyone of Strava even hearing the complaints? Or do they just not care what their user base thinks or wants? Every update I hope they got rid of this horrible feature. No luck so far. 👎

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  • Having said this (above) I just went ahead and cancelled my premium subscription right now. I’m done waiting for it to change back, which seems you won’t be doing in the near future as I read on twitter. Sorry, your fault.

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  • I find it rather annoying and not helpful.
    Any way to switch it off ?
    A PR should be just that, not a first ride !

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  • When you first look at it its nice then you realise your kidding yourself its a stupid change for the many reason posted.  I'm wanting to see I am actually getting fitter (i.e I was faster this time) and not just exploring a new route.

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  • No. A first time notification, ok (rather like Stravistix) but I dont want proper PRs swamped by this spam.

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  • Yet another Strava feature that noone requested whilst perfectly good suggestions from years ago have still not been been implemented.

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  • Yep. Don’t like the change. You need to earn your gongs so for me it can’t be the first time you ride a segment. PRs were something to look forward to seeing after nailing a ride. Now you get them too easily on a new route. Imho.

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  • I seriously don't see the point in this, apart from confusing people who look for prs. With this and other recent changes (e.g. news feeds etc) it is starting to seem that strava thinks they know what their customers want more than the customers do. Which plays into the decision when deciding to upgrade. 

     

    Why not add a new 1st ride achievement?

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  • No no no no no...

    One of the main things I look for after uploading a ride is where I've achieved PRs. Unless it's a very short route it's likely that I'll have ridden plenty of new segments and this new "feature" makes it impossible to distinguish whether it was an improvement or just a new segment (without clicking on each and every segment to see whether it says "1 effort" or not).

    If people want something to show how many new segments they have ridden, then by all means have some other measure e.g. a "first time" badge, but this new "feature" of extending the definition of a PR to include new segments simply doesn't make sense. An alternative, as others have suggested, is at least to have the ability to opt out of this so we can see our own true PRs. The weakness of this of course is that you can't gauge the performance of others using the number of 1/2/3s achieved on their rides in the feed.

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  • Hi Strava,

    Not a fan of the change. Makes it harder to differentiate achievements from simply never been this way before segments. Devalues the experience.

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  • Went out today, feeling dreadful. Went slowly up a hill I haven't done before and "achieved" loads of PRs. How stupid is that??! Please reverse this stupid idea.

    I'm not against an icon for segments ridden for the first time, but please don't give me a PR just for going somewhere I've never been before.

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  • Like many others, I too appreciate the change.

    Also like many others, I'd like it even more if "new segment completed!" was clearly communicated distinctly from a faster time.

    Completing a new segment is an achievement in and of itself (exploring new territory!) worthy of recognition, separate from when you PR over a previous runs.

     

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  • Do not enjoy this feature.

    Noticed it earlier but now as I moved to a new city I'm getting rides with 140 trophies and it drowns out any actual PR's.

    Please revert this to previous behavior (trophies on only second time).

    A separate explorer trophy could be a happy medium, but I'd prefer just the original way.

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  • As has already been noted, Strava dont really care about what we think. See this twitter conversation...

    Me: Strava, can you please respect your paying customers with a response to the enormous amount of feedback about the new 'PR' feature?

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  • Nope. Don't like it. By all means give me an award for "rode somewhere new" - but don't call it a PR cos it ain't. Never was, never will be.

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  • i like to see how i am performing for both fitness gains and social and to see so many PR's on a new ride i dont agree with. i personally would like to see it annotated as a first ride of the segment if you are going to change it at all, please consider that, then after it is is recorded as a first time ridden ride then if you do it again it can record as normal a 2nd. 3rd or PR if applicable.

     

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