Mountain Bike as separate activity type or tag

Please add mountain biking to the list of activities in the app because the cals vs speed are very different from road riding. Also a count down to workout start would be a good feature.

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  • I'm confused. You Strava folks already have a dropdown menu that allows users to select activity type (Nordic skiing, running, mountain biking, etc). How hard is it to simply apply a filter based on these activities? These data are (I'm sure) going into a database. Each line in the DB is an activity. Filter by column (activity type) is pretty much database 101. This could be applied in any of your interface areas ("explore segments" as an example). Also, as I'm sure applying calorie count algorithms contingent upon activity type would be also in a database 101 class. Considering people have been asking for this for four years now, maybe it should be bumped up in the priority list?

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  • "You Strava folks already have a dropdown menu that allows users to select activity type (Nordic skiing, running, mountain biking, etc)"

    But we don't have an option for Mountain Biking in the drop down. Only "Ride" or "E-Bike Ride" (!)

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  • My thoughts (as a Strava employee but also a Strava user just contributing to the discussion) are that a separate activity type (which would appear in the drop-down menu next to skiing, running, swimming, etc) has some caveats.

    Each activity type has separate segment databases as well as separate segment leaderboards. When the E-bike category was created, E-bike segments started at zero. Any new segments for just E-bikes to compete needed to be created new. 

    It would take years to re-create all mountain bike segments from zero. 

    However, Mountain Biking could be a tag within the Ride category. The segment database will still be the same for all types of rides, with the option to filter the leaderboard by tag. A bonus would be a Profile setting to set the default filter tag for all leaderboards to mountain biking. 

    The hold-up is that creating a separate activity type is much less work than restructuring the segment leaderboards to handle ride tag filters. Feel free to add your comments to this thought.

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  • Years?  Well the current segments are nonsense now.  If MTBs start now it will get done, and the data will be fresh an current.  If they never start, it will NEVER get done.

    However, I don't think strava are even procrastinating now.  After 4 years, just ignoring it.  Strava doesn't do MTB /  Doesn't feel the need to.  Also doesn't do commuting, gravel, Cyclecross or any other deviation from head-down road in a rapidly diversifying sport.  

    I've learned to not compare myself with others, and that's fine.  The whole KOM thing has been getting dangerous anyway with too many people cheating and taking chances.  The consideration that the Strava business model is based on KOM, and denying themselves a complete sub section of KOM (with actual mountains!) is entirely their loss.

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  • I would have no problems starting from zero. Most of those segments are garbage and duplicates at that. I would also like to see filters based on gps device types. Smartphones are never going to be as accurate as a good gps device.

    My rant aside, it wouldn't take years given the size of your community. Let the users catergorize the segments, it would be done in days.

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  • I do not want a MTB tag in a cycling data base. We need an entirely new category like eBikes. Don't worry about the restart on all of the segments, The MTB community will rebuild all of the ones needed in no time. If an MTBer doesn't want to shift, they can stay in the "cycling niware zone". We need special features like
    - Adjust calorie burn for MTB: up, flat, down
    - Mark segment as “do not count in ride milage, time, elevation, calories” for shuttle rides and chair lifts up the hill
    - Elevation drop as tracked parameter (as well as elevation gain, makes a difference when I'm shuttling or chair lifting up a hill)
    - Add tire sealant to bike gear to track when to change out the sealant
    - Add set milage and date level for alarm to service bike gear
    - When road and trail are too close for GPS lock, default to the trail.
    I'm sure we have many more.
    john

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  • I completely agree with the most recent posts here Elle.  I feel like you are truly underestimating the desire of the Mountain Bike community to "get this right" by saying it would take years to recategorize.  It could be done in no time at all by doing the following:

    1.  Send an email to all users asking to voluntarily tag as many segments in his / her local area as either Mountain or Road (and when there are segments that combine both in equal amounts, they should be be still labeled as Mountain as you would in most cases require a MB to complete that segment).  

    2.  After a user posts a ride, ask them kindly to categorize the segments he / she just rode as either Mountain or Road (of course as more and more are categorized, it should only request you to tag those that still haven't been categorized).

    And it's pretty much as simple as that.  Within weeks this will be done, not years. 

    I wish I could sit in on one of your meetings Elle to find out what the honest-to-God reason is for ignoring this large portion of your user group.  Would be fascinating to find out the true feelings Strava employees have toward us mountain bikers and the reason behind this massive oversight.  

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  • I agree with recent comments that if retroactive reclassification of segments as MTB is a pain, it's okay to ditch them. Also, as a former GIS professional, I think it would be pretty easy to re-introduce the old segments through GIS overlay. Set up the new MTB database. As people record rides labeled with MTB tags, you can do a simple GIS overlay to extract old segments.

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  • If it's a fresh start on the segment database I suspect a lot or most of the MTBers will not bother switching over if the database is empty and especially if they're not aware of the new category. It needs to be well publicised, able to default rides to MTB (or set per bike) and made easy to flip all past rides to MTB category (maybe based on bike?).

    Also, easy options to just move or copy existing segments to MTB and let the community do it, rather than just having to create everything from scratch. Although it's true that in many cases it's better if they were done from scratch as some existing segments can be garbage, a lot of duplicates too.

    As a side and kind of related issue, said before that a mechanism of ownership/management of segments by local trail community, trail centres, etc could be useful, but that's a separate feature really (and something Trailforks already do ;) ).

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  • Elle, 250 posts should matter to Strava... one post on the local mtb media of each of the responders to this post, of how Strava is ignoring the mtbers, will blow up this post... Lots of us use and love Strava for different reasons and we need a commitment from Strava that they will begin to transition to a MTB category immediately.

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  • If MTB became a new category, wouldn't the easiest way to populate it with segments be to send a quick message to all the segment creators asking them to choose whether their segment should be under road cycling or MTB? 

    Alternatively the segments could just be cloned into MTB, but left unpopulated. People could then go to their old rides and edit the activity type to MTB. 

    Problem solved. Really it's not rocket science.

    I've cancelled my paid subscription because it's a lot of money going to develop an app that is not catering to my sports. (It's the same problem between classic and skate skiing in the Nordic skiing category).  It's almost like Strava is run by a bunch of people in SanFran who have no idea of the sports they are trying to build an app for, beyond what they casually see and hear about them in the hipster cafes they frequent.

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  • I think tagging a trail as Road, Double or single track, etc. may make sense. Or we could properly tag bike types, XC, DH, CX, etc. If you were allowed to classify all your bike types, that would bring a lot of useful data to the segment type. I don't expect everyone to ride the same bike type on a segment, but you'd be able to see the split.

    Ideally this all connects back to the thought that someday Strava would allow us to search for routes or have a concept of searching for new trails, based on the bike type we may have. This of course, is another very stale conversation on these threads, and the reason I no longer pay for premium. 

    I think it's very unlikely to expect someone who created the segment to label the road type, I know for a fact I wouldn't be able to remember every one I've created, and what if the original user has abandoned Strava or worse?

    I don't really want to see PR's lost or KOM's lost. I ride my road bike on dirt and vice versa. 

    To me the best solution is a concept of segment type, road, gravel, single track, etc. The only reason this is of any value to me, is if I'm out of town and have my bike, I can search a route, load it and know I'm riding where the locals do.

    Isn't that the point of having so much data, help others who could benefit? Doesn't that get more people riding, and then in turn, get more people using your app? Focusing on the user always drives a product the farthest the fastest. Sure seems some of that focus has been lost.

     

    Or maybe Strave is just to give kudos, buy a strava kit or is it just a virtual odometer for my bike?

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  • Up again!

    I am not the one to tell exactly how it must be done, but I have been creating a number of Segments in my area, and I see absolutely no problem to retag them as MTB if this is what needs to be done in the end.

    Just ask the community and let us do to sorting / updates. Why not ?

    Elle, please HELP us get this done once for all §§§

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  • Theres no need to manually tag each road. Strava uses Open Street Maps and all paths already have identifiers as to what type of road/path/trail they are.

     

    Strava simply need to use that information to differentiate between road and trail.

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  • I don't do both. Only MTB.... And getting KoM badges is impossible when you live in the city!
    Please Strava... A Simple filter! An option can be chosen when uploading your activity.

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  • Elle.......when will it start.!? MTB lover.....

     

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  • Elle Anderson comment on January, 24

    I think the main problem with Segments design is that segments are linked to a specific sport. This makes the platform inflexible and doesn't allow creating new sport types like splitting Cycling into Road Cycling and MTB. Or splitting Running into Road Running and Trail Running. 

    A better design would be to link segments to a more general "activity meta-class" that would allow sharing segments between similar sports. For example it would make sense to share all segments between Running (all types), Hiking, and Walking. Similarly it would make sense to share segments between Road Cycling and MTB even if they were separate sports. 

    This idea of "activity meta-class" would also make sense for other aspects of Strava platform like gear usage (e.g. running shoes shared between running and hiking) or accumulated statistics (e.g. total elevation gain). Please consider this idea! It should allow to implement a lot of user ideas that are difficult to implement with the current platform design. 

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  • I don't understand this a) tagging segments b) creating a top level type for MTB
    I've said this many times in this thread - we should use the SUBTYPE when we load a ride. You could also map gear to subtype but that is just icing on the cake.
    The important thing is when you look at a segment you can FILTER by subtype (or not at all) so if you just have Ride as activity type you see all data - but then filter by road - just road. Or mtb. Or elliptical or tandem or whatever. And definitely you can select SUBTYPE when you set up a club if you wish - then at last you can have just MTB rides from members for the week. (And they can also be riding road but won't be counted). And this can also work with challenges. Miles per month - all, miles per month on mtb.. there you go.
    So... what about the segment explorers? (For those people who keep wanting to tag segments) I would simply have a filter on segment Explorer or search which used subtype as well so you can see the segments which have been ridden with that subtype.
    If you want to get fancy you could color code segments on their predominant subtype
    In terms of populating the current database - people have already entered MTB or gear type per ride - so sort out the gear mapping to subtype and all your old rides can immediately get the right subtype and then the leader boards could be filtered on subtype right away - no need to start from scratch.
    Do you want me and some database experts to design this change for you in detail?

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  • Definitely

    useful to split these riding types - come on Strava - you added e-bikes fast enough!

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  • I'd buy Pro if it suppprted MTB. Just sayin'

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  • I miss also generally a sorting filter for the self created routes for a better usibility (sort by name, length, activity type, ...)! Also the possibility of creating different folders, e.g. for MTB and road bike, would help to keep an overview! :-)

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  • 5+ years now. How is this still not a thing?

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  • This is the lamest thread in the history of threads. All these years, all the changes Strava has incorporated. This one is still dead. Same with the accumulative elevation stat, that we have been asking. Such an easy fix. Or not adjusting for elevation change after upload. The whole purpose of this site is data keeping, its what makes it fun, but when the data is skewed, its worthless. Might as well post on FACEBOOK and make up your own stats so you can brag to your friends. That is right, my diplomacy skills are gone. 

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  • 5 years later... ;-) 

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  • Hey there Strava.  This is trivial from a software development standpoint.  Is it a DB issue?  Then just do it on a "from this point onward" perspective.  Start fresh with a "Mountain Bike" activity.  This isn't hard.  This isn't hard to do.  This isn't even remotely hard to do.  I work for a large software development company, this type of change is not difficult.  I would be happy to solve it for you if I had a look at your code.  Reach out to me.  jwalker@blizzard.com.  Fix it.  Mountain biking is different than roadbiking.  Everyone knows that.  18-20 mph on road bike isn't equivalent to 18-20 mph on a good mountain bike route.  Its not a matter of equipment, its the trail vs. the road.  For the same reason the 400m sprint in the olympics isn't run through a forest up a hill for time, road bike times shouldn't be equivalent to mountain bike times.  Fix it.  Please.

     

     

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  • Hey there Strava.  This is trivial from a software development standpoint.  Is it a DB issue?  Then just do it on a "from this point onward" perspective.  Start fresh with a "Mountain Bike" activity.  This isn't hard.  This isn't hard to do.  This isn't even remotely hard to do.  I work for a large software development company, this type of change is not difficult.  I would be happy to solve it for you if I had a look at your code.  Reach out to me.  jwalker@blizzard.com.  Fix it.  Mountain biking is different than roadbiking.  Everyone knows that.  18-20 mph on road bike isn't equivalent to 18-20 mph on a good mountain bike route.  Its not a matter of equipment, its the trail vs. the road.  For the same reason the 400m sprint in the olympics isn't run through a forest up a hill for time, road bike times shouldn't be equivalent to mountain bike times.  Fix it.  Please.

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  • Hi Peter - I don't think it should be a top-level activity - it should be a SUB-TYPE of Ride - that way you have same leaderboards for segments but can filter on MTB (or other bike SYB-TYPEs).

    Also means all normal Ride challenges can still be done by SUB-TYPEs too. (and clubs can use SUB-TYPE on settings so you don't get peoples other bike data)

    Elle left a comment the other day which seemed to indicate that they are looking at new activity types as top-level - not sub-types. IMHO that is the wrong direction.

     

     

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  • This is fast becoming a festering wound! Strava's inaction on such a trivial change is beginning to sound like a divisive issue between Road and Trail bikers. I am over it, google are about to launch a segment oriented fitness tracker and I am told MTB has its own metrics and segments. As my favorite marketing lecturer at Harvard always stressed, its never for the customer to conform to the needs of the seller it IS ALWAYS for the seller to conform to the needs of the customer. With MTB being an ~20% share of strava's users Strava's managers clearly haven't cared enough so google here we come.

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  • Bill, I wouldn't say top level is the wrong direction. 90% of the current segments are garbage or they've been flagged. Starting fresh with a new activity type would be a good thing.

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  • As I said then there are two issues, that yes affect me personally, but arguably are also being cried for by many others. I don't understand the disdain for mountain biking. Seventy-eleven types of skiiing but half the riding community ignored. I don't care for surveys - did it though, months ago - and frankly I don't care what the implementation looks like. Start. Refine it.
    Fix them, and the next day I will restart my membership.
    I've no expectation that hammering away at this post is being but nothing else is...

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