Retire segment and lock leaderboard

I'd propose adding an option to retire a segment if there's a significant change that affects that particular segment. For example, if a road used to be dirt and is now being paved, the road or trail has been re-routed but still matches to an older segment, a hill or hump has been removed or added, a new stop sign/light/intersection has been added, etc.

These types of changes can result in a significant difference in the time needed to complete the segment, making the new result not comparable to older results. What might have been a lot of work to achieve a top spot on the leaderboard might now be much easier or impossible to achieve due to condition changes.

Currently you can only flag a segment as hazardous which automatically deletes/removes the leaderboard by default and each user has to opt-in back in. After doing so you could still end up with non-comparable results due to the change in the segment. My suggestion is to offer an option for the segment owner to retire a segment as well as offer the community an option to flag a segment as "Suggest Retirement". On the request page offer different reasons and description box where a reason must be entered.

Once retired, the leaderboard for that particular segment would be locked and not change while still showing up under a user's achievement's page if they had a KOM/QOM. To prevent a user from going out and landing a KOM/QOM and then immediately retiring a segment, require a one or two week notification period that the segment will be retired.

The segment could then be marked with a small yellow triangle with exclamation mark icon that if clicked takes you to the segment page and lists the proposed date of retirement and reasons. A user could then submit a request to have this reconsidered or offer an automated tool to request reconsideration. If a certain percentage of the users that have attempted or done the segment disagree and click the link/form/button the retirement will be discarded.

 

SUMMARY:

  • Provides a means to retire segments that have changed significantly resulting in leaderboard results not being comparable with new efforts.
  • Option to lock leaderboard instead of flagging as hazardous and essentially deleting results from your personal achievements.
  • Grace period before segment is retired to prevent immediate KOM/QOM and locking of leaderboard.
  • Provide option to appeal (automated or through support request) during grace period.
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  • To add one other related item, it would be great if a user could flag an individual segment on another user's activity instead of the entire activity. This would help in situations where they left their GPS on in their vehicle after the end of their run/ride as well as a scenario where the segment significantly changed and the results aren't applicable. In that case, the flagged segment could be removed from the retired leaderboard if it occurred after the proposed retirement date and there's nothing stopping the flagged user from creating a new segment that takes into consideration the changes.

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  • An additional thought on adding this type of feature, it could be used to allow a club or group to set up event-specific KOM/QOM competitions. The organizer/admin for the club could have an option of "create new event segment" or go into an existing segment and "create event KOM/QOM", then set a start and end date/time it will be active (sometime in the future).

    That would allow your local bike shop to set a challenge for a weekly group ride, for example, or if there's a cycling group on Strava that is sponsoring a race/ride/event and has a climbing competition in the race they could get a leaderboard just for the timeframe active and then locked once it ends. I've seen a few race events suggest filtering using the "Today" option but this doesn't allow the time to be narrowed down (such as race hours only in the morning and not others riding the segment later in the day) and once it passes midnight you can't go back and see that leaderboard.

    To not water down the amount of KOM/QOMs it could be like the "2015 KOM", etc. awards in that these event specific KOM/QOMs would appears in the activity feed but not in your all-time "KOMs/CRs" profile page unless the segment already existed (e.g. wasn't created just for the event) and was an all-time record. There could also be a KOM/QOM challenge page showing previous challenge leaderboards on the owning/creating group/club/event's page.

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  • Especially for mountain bike trails, it would be nice to have a feature to update the route and start a new leaderboard.  Have a local trail that just added maybe 1/4 mile onto a 5 mile trail.  No one can ever do the old loop again, but there's not really a reason to have an entire new segment "Cool Trail July 2015" because of that.

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  • This is a good idea, especially for annual events. For some reason people seem to think that a segment is only relevant from the time it is created so people create the exact seem segment every year - xxx2013, xxx2014, xxx2015 etc. being able to retire a segment would allow the leaderboard to stand, but not clutter up the normal segment list.
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  • This idea is awesome. In Chch, NZ, we had Large Earthquakes and one of our summit roads is now more like a cyclo-cross segment. The current KOM is from 2009, on a very smooth wide open section of road, prior to the road being damaged, narrowed a bump.

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  • MTB trails often get modified and sometimes the change won't prevent the old trail from being matched with new rides and yet that change could make a huge difference in time. There are many I know where I see the top on the leaderboard and the times are just impossible, but then I notice the dates are all from before changes were made to the trail.

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  • There really needs to be an overhaul of the segment system. Ideally there needs to be more options when you are creating segments. Things like a segment type (road/off-road) and start and end dates (so that rogue times and modifications can be accounted for). I'm betting there are other things that keep cropping up that would be a good addition. 

    There should also be a segment voting system so that you can down-vote segments created with poor gps and duplicates etc... When they are down-voted by a certain amount they should automatically be hidden and if the down-vote is large enough, the segment should be deleted. Segment creators should also be contactable so that if there are issues, you can deal with them to get them sorted. If someone leaves strava their created segments should also either be deleted or the segments should become open and editable by the community.

     

     

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  • I agree. There is a strong desire to retire segments, locking anyone new from posting times against it. For example, in my area, we just had a major rework of a roadway, bike path and a bridge replaced. The new bridge, for example, is very close to the retired bridge so segment times are still being posted against the old bridge GPS. The new bridge is longer than the old bridge, so the times are bogus.  I suggest Strava recognize that road infrastructure is not carved in stone, and changes over time.  The ability to retire a segment would protect the old KOMs from being taken on a different road system. Thanks

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