Segment Leaderboards

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  • Just because it isn't a sport you take part in doesn't mean it isn't popular. Last year participation alone quadrupled in the UK, and events for competitive canicross all over the UK every week.

    It's hardly going to clutter up the API adding another line to the dropdown list along with things like Virtual Run, Virtual Cycle, Yoga, Kitesurfing (what grown people flying kites, how many people do that? btw being factious for the sake if it).

    The issue our sport has is that runners are all to eager to go to Strava when we break segment records - so our sporting achievements are obviously upsetting people like eBikes were upsetting regular cyclists.

    Also Strava are now threatening users with removal from the platform because too many segments are now being broken by canicrossers and causing Strava a headache. So all we are asking is instead of removing us, include us so we can take part properly.

    Of course they have every right as a business to say go away, but that would be a shame.

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  • @Carlos Vigo - how significant is the average slope of -5 % ?

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  • Hey Peter H! Thank you for bringing this up, athlete safety is very important to us. While you can't autoflag a segment, we do have a process in place to flag a segment as hazardous - this puts certain limitations on the segment as well as lets your community know about the safety hazards involved. You can read more about that here: Flagging a Segment as Hazardous. I hope that helps!

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  • More and more cyclists are using electric powered bikes. Just curious, Is there any plans to create separate results for cyclists recording rides on electric bikes?

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  • Jesper Nygaard 

    Thanks for your comment. Because our system allows for some small margin of error to account for GPS drift, if a segment runs parallel to another segment and the two are close enough together, it may not be possible for Strava to provide mutually exclusive results. This means that athletes riding or running on the road may match on the different segment, and vice versa. Unfortunately if the two paths are close enough together for this to be an issue, the only way to improve your chances for accurate matches is to move the segment endpoints further away if you're the segment creator. 

    You can read more about optimizing segment creation: How to Create Good Segments

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  • The creator of a segment needs a way to select the GPS accuracy needed to register as having run that segment, especially crossing the start and end points, and following the segment's course and direction accurately. This will allow for useful segment creation in areas such as laps of lakes or ovals where currently one side of the loop registers as the reverse direction of the other side. The accuracy setting might be for example: "low" (ie. the current setting), "medium" (within 10m of start/finish, and no more than 10m variation from any point of the segment, "high" (5m variation), and of course direction of travel always applies

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  • Jason Lamoreaux

    I understand what you say.

    But maybe Strava programmers can detect the "all time" group rides (at least the most evident) easily, just as we can do it.

    When you see various riders in a leaderboard at the same date with the same (or very close) time for a segment, is easy to know they were a group, even when they have enabled the feature "privacy for group rides" in their activities.

    Well, professional unfair cheaters (I know some of them), can do group reliefs and only one rider keep public the activity (te "team leader") and the other riders (gregarious in the "team") do it private... ridiculous but they even do this.

    But, at least, professional pelotons of races would be filtered...

    It's not fair groups are in the same leaderboard with solo efforts.
    It's a major cause o disappointment when people looking for challenges in solo rides that can be quite boring.
    Challenges, is just a main motivation for paying for Strava segments.

    But, if Strava knows this (for sure) and do nothing is because there are more people enjoying the fact of achieve top 10 or KOMs with the help of group reliefs with drag benefit.

     

     

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  • Alex Stewart as an eBike rider, I have zero reason to use any category other than "ride". If I use "eBike Ride" I get a dramatic functionality drop (no heatmap, no segment search, no live segments, no Google Fit, and more).

    I would say that eBikes issue is 90% a (lack of) functionality problem and 10% intentional cheating .

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  • I think it would be a good idea to have private leaderboards where the admin can invite certain users to compete in the private segment. This would be handy for creating segments which you do not want the entirety of Strava to see or to limit the amount of people in the leader board. 

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  • Francois G & Andy Sonneland:

    an easy way to remove an unwanted KOM is to edit your activity by either cropping it or by splitting it into 2 activities - thus keeping your other achievements while removing the one with an error.

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  • Please add a segment leaderboard for single speed bicycles.

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  • Strava can detect group efforts already:

    • You rode with a group, an algorithm already working
    • Matching segments in a ride at the same time, which also works in the flyby-function.

    Another (new) method like matching your statistics (HR, speed, wattage and wind/weather data) on a specific segment to other attempts could also be done, but it can be done much easier: just create a toggle.

    If Strava detects a group, the toggle is on and cannot be unset. In all other cases the user can set the toggle, that's all. It won't work 100% but it 'will do' and give users some form of control.

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  • Can we add a feature to consider segments in reverse? I walk or run in my neighbourhood park, and both those activities have segments in different directions. If i go in the wrong direction, my segment is not recognised.

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  • Oh my God!!!
    Can't believe my previous post where I explained that it was a no sense INDIVIDUAL riders are in the same leaderboard with riders in GROUP activity (drag benefit, reliefs...and professional pelotons) got up to -3 votes!!!

    Really?

    I can't understand how people can feel fine if got a KOM riding in group against a solo rider...
    Sure the same people with e-bikes getting MTB KOMs against people with normal bikes, or cheating in Zwift.

    Well, that's the reason why Strava is doing nothing this years.
    So a good slogan could be: "Strava, the home of cheating" where you can think your performance is just as you only can dream, so you can reach many achievements.

    Real good and honest athletes maybe are minority and cheaters are much more, so if Strava a business, no need to explain anything more.

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  • Can I suggest that e-bikes are split into different categories depending on the level of assist they get i.e. Class 1, 2, or 3? There are many e-bikes classified as Class 3 speed pedelec bikes which receive e-assist is up to 28 mph, whereas the regular Class 1 e-bike assist is typically up to 25kph (15.5 mph). As a Class 1 e-bike rider I can't get close to e-bike segment KOM's because they are dominated by the Class 3 e-bike riders yet clearly the playing field is not level by virtue of the equipment employed. A recent example is a segment called Up Stunt, which is 6.39Km long, 405 vertical meters, 6.3% gradient. As a Class 1 rider I posted a PB of 19.23 mins at an average speed of 19.8kph making me 8th overall in the e-bike category, however the KOM is held by a Class 3 rider that posted  12.20 mins at an average speed of 31.1kph on a Stromer ST-2. Clearly no competition! Not all of the riders state the equipment they use, but is should be pretty easy for Strava to detect such huge gaps and question accordingly. Perhaps Strava should require all e-bike subscribers to disclose their equipment, so we have some resemblance of a slightly more level playing field?  Examples of Class 3 equipment include the Stromer ST2, Trek XM700+, Giant Road E-Pro, Trek Super Commuter to name a few. 

    I am a 'regular' cyclist as well, and often switch my equipment depending on how I feel and how much time I have available for a ride, but the fact is that e-bikes are here to stay and will no doubt continue to grow in popularity so having clear boundaries so as to maintain the integrity of Strava and its subscribers should be a core principle.

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  • I think the should include more ebike activities.
    Yes it sucks to get old. But since I bought my ebike I am able to ride further and longer. We seam to be discriminated because we ride an ebike. I've had mine for 6 weeks and have ridden more than I ever had. And it's a great feeling. My wife and son both have them and we now ride together as a family again. Just because we have a little assistance doesn't mean we are not getting a workout. We should be able to enjoy the Strava accomplishments like anyone else. Never in my life would the words "I'm going to ride my bike to work" ever come out of my mouth. Now I ride 2-3 times a week. Strave needs to start bring us into the community. Ebikes are at record sales. The bike shops can't keep them on the floor.
    Start including us,

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  • Solo V Group Rides

    The only value I get from the subscription is challenging myself and people in my age group on segments. It's motivating to see the progression and how I rate amongst that group. However, very few KOM's are held by individual riders and yet, in my view, it would very easy for Strava identify group rides and seperate them out from solo efforts. I'm surprised that more people are not raising this? 

    I once found myself in the top 10 of a segment in London with over 20,000 users on it and was determined to improve that. Then a male and female crit race was held on closed roads in the city and that segment was on the course.....I then found myself pushed down to around 30 or 40 thus destroying any motivation I had to try and claim that solo KOM. Not going to happen against a group let alone Pro's.

    Come on Strava....you know it makes sense.

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  • Strava can detect group efforts. But it doesnt separate group efforts from individual efforts on the leaderboards. Meaning riders in a group will get the koms leaving solo riders unable to get them.

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  • Why are cani-sports still not included? As a sporting community we have been asking for separate categories for ages, but still no movement, even though other assisted categories such as E-bikes have in the meantime been included. To the extent that this week one of our top female athletes was threatened with her account being removed because she had forgotten to mark one of her runs as assisted and Strava were fed up with having to remove segments flagged by other runners. As a community we are just as fed up not being recognised as regular runners are of canicrossers gaining segment records. Come on Strava what is your problem with cani-sports?

     

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  • SKIP TO THE BOTTOM FOR VOTE EXPLAINATION

    I want a change to the policy of strava. Currently the policy on strava excludes velomobiles, faired bikes, and bikes with aero dynamics whuch most modern bukes are coming designed with aerodynamics in mind, non "conventional" bikes to include hand cycles, recumebent trikes, etc which are often used by those with disibilities who cant ride a upright bike anymore from acheivements, leaderboards, segments, public view, and doesnt count towards distance per month cycled, doesnt count towards anything bike related. I would like to see it changed to include the above on leaderboards, events, distance cycled per month. This is important to me because i have a velomobile and a recumbent trike and would like to be entitled to all the same as road bikes, tt bikes, racers, etc that are allowed to ride in a group and get koms, acheivements, and earn their distance challenges and be visible to the public without discrimination and making it impossible for solo riders to compete for koms. My solution is to either make the policy inclusive or you have to apply the same policy to groups of riders a group being more than 1 rider as even 2 riders can create a significant aero dynamic advantage, riders on tt bikes as they are aerodynamically designed to give advantages a "conventional" bikes doesnt have, riders on aero frame or aero designed bikes to include bikes with carbon disc wheels, any event marked race shall be excluded from strava segments and acheivements as they are not earned without assistance from pack cars, other riders, and gear not available to the public. Changing the policy to allow non conventional bikes, faired bikes, recumbents, hand cycles, and such will allow disabled riders, velomobiles, and bikes with aerodynamic design (which most modern bikes already do have) to compete in leaderboards, segments, strava events, and be vireable to the public. That is important to me because in my opinion a bike is a bike as long as its not assisted by a motor electric or otherwise and i heavily rely on strava to see how fast i am against other cyclists that have done the same route since i dont ride with anybody idk how fast i am against other cyclists and so this is the only way i can compete with other cyclists. Its also important for disabled riders have the ability to be included in leaderboards and shouldnt be discriminated against just because they ride a recumbent or faired recumbent bike i think that is morally wrong. You are pretyy much saying keep your disabled but off our leaderboards and you dont matter in fact we wont even recognize you as a cyclist even though you were a cyclist on a regular bike before you got injured and using a recumebent cycle is the only way you can ride anymore or even for those cyclists who chose a recumbent bike for comfort. Its important you allow these different as you call them "non conventional" bikes on leaderboards so that we can compete against other cyclists and be able to post our activities publically without getting banned. If you chose to go with the other option to be more restrictive you would have to exclude group rides, rides on tt bikes, aero road bikes, aero gravel bikes, anything with aero styled wheels, bars, helmets, clothing, and tail attachments that reduce air drag. This is important to note because on a solo road bicycle without aerodynamic designs makes it impossible to compete with cyclists who ride in a group (more than 1), tt bikes which are by design, designed to be aero and therefore cant be caught by regular solo or even a group of cyclists. To also be included in the restriction should be aero dynamically designed bikes ie. The new 2020 Cannondale systemsix to include bikes with any sort of aero wheels, bars, aero clothing, helmets, tails that make them more streamlined, etc. Imo this should even out the playing field but would very hard to identify and new rules would need to be established defining what a "conventional" bike is as conventional by definition is what is generally and varies based on location,and groups your associated with (ie. A velonaut that rides with other velomobiles often could determine a velomobile is a conventional bike, a velodrome rider could determine their bike is a conventional bike based on their surroundings, a solo cyclist can determine their bike is a conventional bike because its the only thing they ride) its really left up to interpretation without definition. If the policy is left in tact you will be losing more and more cyclists that realize the potential of faired bikes, recumbent trikes (adaptive bikes), hand cycles (adaptive bikes), etc.

    FOR THE VOTE

    YES to change the policy to include velomobiles(faired recumbent), recumebent trikes, handcycles, recumbent bikes, and other non assisted cycles to the public view, leaderboards, distance challenges, acheivements, and strava competitions.

    NO to make the policy more restrictive to restrict the above and add aerodynamically designed bikes to include any form of aero wheel, aero clothing, aero helmets, aero bars, aero frame design, aero attachments such as tail bags, tails, even an ultra light rider that is below normal healthy weight. As well as add any form of tt bike. As well as add any group ride (more than 1 rider) to the restrictions. As well as add ultralight bicycles under 14.99lbs as defined by uci regulation. These bikes shal not be allowed in public view, not allowed on leaderboards, or public strava events.

    DONT VOTE to keep the policy in tact and not change a thing.

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  • Jason Lamoreaux - How would strava know if someone was riding in a group....pretty easy I would say. Strava receives FIT file data from GPS devices like Garmin. It records data at a user preset timeframe and within that are longitude/latitude data points at the start and end of that record together with the GPS timestamp. It wouldn't take much for Strava to check those values against other uploaded files on that day. Of course there would be some grey area i.e. You're part of a group then on a hill you get dropped but still get a PR and it may flag you as in a group rather than a solo effort (reason being it would be too demanding to check every record in a file so it would need to be an optimum sample set). Fair enough but those instances would be few and far between and the benefits, in my opinion, would far outweigh that. If you ride in a group you get flagged as a group ride even if you had one moment off the front. Ride solo and breaks PR's then it's bona fide. I rarely group ride but when I do I rather it was away from my favourite segments as I don't want my genuine solo PR's overwritten by a group effort.

    My 2p. I know a lot of friends share this opinion too.

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  • Four points:

    I continue to see cases where people with apple watch log their ride with the watch, and also manually start to record in the app, and two activities get recorded. It seems simple enough that if two of the same activity gets recorded simultaneously, one gets deleted automatically - no recourse.

    Also. Minimum number of efforts to get Local Legend would add more value to the designation. At least once a fortnight on average for the 90 days - 6 efforts at least. 

    Leaderboards could populate based on the average of the 3 most recent efforts (including deleted activities, those could be removed from feed, but stay in the average). And have an age limit of say 2 years (athlete's own PRs would be unaffected). With these 2 changes the leaderboard would remain relevant in the now, and give a reason to push each effort.

    And lastly to agree with a previous comment that Strava is very selective/picky about which comments it acknowldges in the forums, and therefore the reasons why certain improvements are not made. 

     

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  • Hi there I am quite new to this Strava forum format but I would like to suggest that if an individual were to attempt a cycling KOM/QOM then he or she should be using a powermeter in order to qualify for a STRAVA KOM or segment attempt. I mean its ridiculous to have a segment where the top 10 riders all used a vehicle to get their times. Why should we pay for premium to compare our times with cheaters who use cars or motorised vehicles in their attempts then spend 20 min flagging them, then only come back to see their attempts have been unflagged. It's an utter joke that this is allowed, you should seriously look into fixing it as I will not be renewing my membership if this goes on 

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  • KOM/QOMs without sensor data should be instantly removed. I'm talking specifically a power meter. I do understand some pro riders hide their HR data, but it should be mandatory for a power/cadence sensor to be at the top of the segment. Seeing individuals hold their 10 year KOM/QOM with not even a cadence sensor and nobody is even close to matching their times is abhorrent.

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  • Why not adding a like and dislike button or another possibility to rate a segment?

    I would also limit the number of created public segments per user to max 20. Most of the known/interesting trails/climbs/routes already have several segments. I see less sense in letting users to create segments all over the place. There are already way too many in my backyard.

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  • there are certain segments which have KOMs and people on the leaderboard who have not interacted with Strava for a number of years, posted a time then for whatever reason have dropped off. Could their times be removed if the rider (in this case but could be runner or swimmer) hasn't used the system for a designated period. Some are over 5 years old, bikes have changed in that time, the condition of the segment has also.

    Further to this, some segments have changed since their creation due to footpaths being redirected, obstructions removed or placed, new gates etc. how could this be managed as the times are not comparable in this case...

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  • @jaso As usual, you change my words and promote pathetic fake infos.

    #1, On enduro tracks, with the same skill, e-bike are faster on common downhill, slower on DoubleBlack downhill, so so on flat, could be faster or slower on climb depending of the ground status and the IMBA level. So clearly, enduro and ebike are not your skill. *
    #2, I already said to you some months ago USA ebike definitions is a USA problem. The world doesnt care you classify hybrid e-motorbike as an ebike. ebike is a bike, not a motorbike. There is only one dumb country in the world who doesnt understand this. Accept the result.
    #3 If you are slower than an ebike (limited to 25km/h) on all your XC segment, you have a problem. *

    Stop to generalize some exceptions. Suggest solutions.

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  • Peter Cajthaml The Strava community cancer are fake athletes flooding Strava forum with his hateful words, complain about loosing KOM they never won, during activities they never did, because of guys who don't exist.

    I ride every months with a group of national XC riders at speed between 25-45 km/h. They always waiting me, including on climb. This is not possible to win KOM with an ebike against these real athletes. e-bike cheating is a problem for the bottom of the leaderboard, or on few segments with 20-30% climbing. Easy to report.

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