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Can Strava remove KOM/QOM Cheats?

Why doesn't Strava better police segment cheats...some are so obvious it is ridiculous but despite flagging...the segment comes back...

 

It is so obvious that some of these segments have been achieved with the aid of a combustion engine with speeds in excess of 120km/hr yet Strava automatically awards the segment.  There should be some obvious filters triggered to prevent this from happening...and once a ride is flagged it should be analysed according the the feedback and data from the ride and assessed properly.

 

Sad that people cannot self police their own rides and be honest...makes a mockery out of the segment system.

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    We recently released a new detection system to automatically identify and remove activities containing data anomalies from leaderboards. This system is not retroactive and will be applied to new activity uploads only. However, we are committed to continually improving upon our auto-flagging system and are looking into ways of cleaning up historical data. As always, our community has tools to help maintain leaderboard integrity through the activity flag tool, which you can read about here.

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  • I agree. sometimes I see the KOM up to 3 minutes faster than the runner-up and wonder how that would be possible!!!

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  • I will admit to going through and flagging several rides at a time when I see stuff that's obvious.  And by several, I mean 20 or 30.  I will look at them however and try to verify they are incorrect before I flag them.  When I do, more often than not it's because they forgot to turn off their GPS/App.  I'll typically advise them that they need to crop/trim their activity and about where they need to do it.  

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  • People are definitely starting to "cheat" regarding being the "champ" on a specific KOM wherever it might be. Cheating is either by means of riding on e-bikes or just riding behind a motor bike, car or truck. In some areas people are also using the wind for advantage.  Times recorded are unbeatable. It might be by intention and or specific to improve the time. In many chases the recording is un auditable. The majority of times the person involved in this abnormal recording is single. This practice in whatever format is not good for the sport and the etic of cycling. The question than is how to stop these type of practices. Currently there are two type of recordings. Overall and yearly. The yearly times gets deleted each year. The overall remains forever. What is the purpose of Strava? Not to set world records forever. I recommend the overall ranking list be deleted and only the yearly ranking list remain and get deleted every year.

     

    And why will people disagree with this proposal? Properly  because they want the "record" to stand forever. But why than have Strava  if the intention is to complete against each other to become fit. I truly hope that this recommendation will be carefully considered.

     

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  • In our area there is a guy who (presumably) registered himself as female and is now taking all of the QOMs. Some segments were flagged to Strava but nothing happened. What can be done to stop this?

     

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  • Thanks, 

    If an activity is flagged a second time it is permanent until reviewed by the Strava team. An activity flag can only be dismissed once by the athlete who owns the activity. 

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  • Premium users are not getting back adequate paid product in terms of leaderboard quality or the automatic / manual tools that would help to keep the quality high. Leaderboards are getting more and more polluted with nonsense records and this fact is discouraging me from extending my premium subscription. 

     

    In Hong Kong where I live, a large percentage of segments is polluted by people using cars or electric scooters. Some segments have first 30 entries with average speeds 100-140 km/h. 

    1. Why do Strava system is not able to automatically recognise and prevent to make an entry (or post-remove) of any effort over 70 km/h from the leaderboards? This is incredibly simple to program.

    2. Why do Strava is not able to give the segment creators or every user a tool to limit the maximum average speed for a given segment? It is a nonsense to have a hill with 15% gradients and top 10 guys reaching 40km/h averages, obviously made on electric scooters.

    3. Why there is a problem to require credible cadence data for at least Top 20? This will eliminate all vehicles or electric scooters.

    These suggestions are incredibly simple to program. But Strava team can do much more to improve the quality of service. You can calculate maximum watt/weight ratios for each segment to establish maximum possible human effort for each segment. All performances not falling within the limits should be automatically rejected.

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  • I find it surprising there is no comment from strava on this subject, unless they comment elsewhere.

    I did a run at the weekend and noticed a high proportion of the top 10 on most segments must have been on bikes.  Also one of the entries even admitted in the exercise title he had chosen run rather than bike and is subsequently KOM of that segment, presumably until someone faster on a bike comes along as a runner, or maybe someone in a car.

    Whats the point.

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  • I reported the issue I was experiencing (male taking QOM) and after investigation, Strava changed his gender status. I have since noticed some other guys doing the same thing, but fixing it relies on reporting to Strava, flagging segments does not work in this instance.

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  • I flagged an activity several weeks ago of someone obviously driving their car with the GPS engaged, as he was ranked KOM on several segments at speeds between 45-55 MPH. Strava still hasn't corrected this. How long does it usually tae for Strava to address suspect activities? Their response time is almost glacial.

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  • Okay, I am frustrated with the below. I held the KOM for 5 years and Amer either used a car, moto bike, or forgot to turn off his Strava. I sent him a note to fix it and no response.

     

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  • Hey Chas, 

    You have the ability to flag activities if you think there's an error. Read about how to properly flag here.

    Cheers! 

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  • Can Strava add HR monitor as a prerequisite for all KOM/QOM/CR ?

    or can Strava add a feature to just filter records with HR monitors.  (less incidence of cheating)

     

    and remove unrealistic records . cycle up hill at 62km/h  .. ..

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  • I think requiring additional hardware for a ride to be considered for a KOM is not the way to go. It should not be required that everyone spend extra money on fancy devices just to be able to compete. Personally, I hold a lot of KOMs yet never wear a HRM. It just isn't something I use for training or racing and I don't think it should be required just for an app. I don't use power except on my TT bike because I don't have the money to invest in multiple power meters. I go for some random KOMs on days when I commute to work, should I need to remember to wear a HRM every time I commute just in case? Especially an issue now that Strava stopped supporting some Bluetooth connections to devices like HRMs.

    There definitely can be some big improvements in the Strava algorithm to filter out obvious cheating and I think that would resolve a large portion of the problems people are having.

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  • My Garmin has thrown some inaccurate times which have given me KOMs. How do I remove myself from a leaderboard?

     

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  • Lorna Hopkin - I believe that you can make your ride "private" and it should take you off of the leaderboards for that ride.  The only other way I know would be to use the "submit a request" link at the bottom-center of this page to see if the Strava technicians can just disassociate that segment from your ride from their end.  

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  • I have same issue as Lorna, it's happened twice for me over the last year, on the odd occasion my Polar will lose GPS for 10 - 20 seconds then reconnect but it won't record the lost time while disconnected so KOMs can occur when they aren't legit.

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  • I've flagged and obviously wrong Koms don't get removed... Can't believe strava is so slow on this

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