Segment Leaderboards

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  • SOLO FILTER

     I would like to request a Leaderboard filter in the same manner as “People I’m Following” is implemented except with segment times for Solo rides only instead.  In other words, if I select “Solo Riders,” if filters out all times set during group rides.  This allows a comparison of segment times without the benefit of drafting.  This should be achievable by filtering out times that are set on the same date within a set time window.  So if there is a group ride with 10 riders, and these 10 riders are together when setting a segment time on x date within y time, they are excluded from the Leaderboard list when this filter is selected.  I’m not asking to replace KOM holders, only asking to see times under comparable non-drafting conditions.  This is a benefit to many riders who train/ride solo.  Thank you for providing a forum to submit ideas!

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  • John Moreci 🇺🇸 - Unfortunately, it would be almost impossible to get accurate information to determine whether an effort was a true solo effort or a group effort.  Consider a race where the leader hammers up a hill to try to separate the pack.  They did not get any drafting help through that section since they were leading the whole way, yet would likely only be a second or two ahead of others in their "group" and thus their time would be filtered out in your scenario.  Even on group rides, it is common for people to push a segment on their own, only being a few seconds apart from the rest of their group, yet it was a true solo effort that gained them the KOM, but again it would be filtered out with your scenario.  Heck, I have done rides myself where I barely saw anyone the entire ride, yet I was listed according to Strava as having "ridden with" a number of others just because I happened to follow a similar path for a portion of the ride (Strava's ability to detect a group ride sucks).  I get what you are saying and agree that groups who do use drafting to help with segment times do fill up leaderboards, but it just isn't going to get you an accurate data set if you try to filter out what Strava thinks is a group ride.  You will get ride of the groups, but also likely a bunch of legitimate solo efforts as well.  

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  • Jason Lamoreaux: I get what you are saying that some true solo efforts could be filtered out when the times were close. But how about filtering out riders with identical times on the same day? In the scenario below the lead rider would retain the CR.  It's not perfect but it would be a start. Another filter that has been suggested is to display only riders with 2 or more efforts. Do you think this could help make the Leaderboards more representative of our local riders?

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  • Jason Lamoreaux - I’m not asking to change the KOM leaderboard, just simply allow for a filter, imperfect as it may be.  The KOM leaderboards are imperfect as they exist in any event.  I can’t comment on the universe of segments but it is fairly easy to see group versus solo efforts when looking at the segments i am familiar.  Even if someone does hammer up a hill, if they are in a group ride they have benefited versus a solo rider - unless they are pulling the entire ride.  I have never been identified as riding with others even on common segments but even so I am not suggesting that be used as a filtering criteria - just times set on the same day within very close proximity.

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  • We have to realise that there is no perfect solution. It would be great if you could identify people gaining an advantage through drafting, etc. but this just isn't possible.

    I still think a good answer is to have a separate leaderboard that only shows riders who have made repeated fast times on segments. (e.g. your bronze PR)

    Nearly all of the problems we encounter on leaderboards are based on fairly unusual circumstances. These large bunch groups, that day with the freak wind conditions, that GPS glitch, drafting behind a bus, that time someone forget to set their activity to eBike.

    Now obviously this isn't foolproof, you might find some groups making repeated efforts on the same segments, it would much reduce the problem. The example given doesn't appear to have been repeated, despite being 4 years ago.

    But the real beauty is that this guards against all kinds of freak events. Also it's so much more of an achievement if you can get a top time in a repeatable fashion rather than through some form of good fortune.

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  • I think filtering out segment times that are set on the same date, within a few minutes of each other, and with exact or close times should catch the vast amount of group rides.  Do this in parallel with only including riders with multiple attempts as proposed.  People don't have to select the filter if they don't want and the overall KOMs are maintained.  If someone doesn't like their time filtered out under the definition, they can use it as motivation to set a time that qualifies.  If there is fear of backlash then give me the ability, as a paying subscriber, to create my own custom private views of segment leaderboards.  That way, nobody's feelings will be hurt.   

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  • Hi, I'm just asking for one thing. The most popular segment in my city - Road To Tskaltubo - does not show up on the map. If you could somehow put in on the map, that would be great.

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  • Andria J. In the Strava help section it indicates that what is shown are “The most popular segments in the area based on the number of views, efforts, and stars.”  ”Stars” indicate how many people follow a particular segment.  I have noticed too that there are many segments in my area that don’t appear on a map of local popular segments.  Even though a segment may be heavily traveled, if it is not ‘followed” by a lot of riders it may not appear as a popular segment in the local area.

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  • It seems that Strava has tried since a month to implement a new feature to automatically exclude "impossible efforts".

    The idea not too bad, but the result is very poor: all the DH segments around my house (DH from passes, over 50km/h average) are automatically exluded... Like this one: https://www.strava.com/segments/23898570

    (note that the segment is not flagged as dangerous, just "excluded efforts")

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  • Alex Dimitriou

    Well this seems promising, although obviously it would make sense that any effort slower than the current KOM must at least be possible.

    Surely this can be calibrated against existing effort data rather than just looking at raw speed? Even it just took average gradient into account that might help.

    What does the "more info" link provide? How do you contest such excluded segments?

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  • It brings you on this page:

    https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/360061896712-Excluded-Segment-Efforts

     

    Where they says it's not possible to contest. :-/

    Really, I think Strava is really more and more frustrating their user and sooner or later, they'll leave...

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  • I'm still kinda hopeful they can make this work. It wouldn't take a lot of tweeking to make sure that only really impossible efforts are excluded. Doing it on raw speed is clearly not a good option.

    I mean if you are trying really hard you can do those speeds on the flat! (e.g. https://www.strava.com/segments/19103504)

    I wonder how widely this has been rolled out, I'm still seeing "rides" at 130km/h that aren't excluded.

    Alex Dimitriou have you tried raising a ticket? I would hope that they just mean there is no way within the UI to contest the segment.

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  • It's not a bad idea (and auto-flagging is something that users have been requesting for some time), but it sounds like it might be over-zealous, especially if it cannot be contested. irreversible auto-flagging should not be flagging "unlikely" efforts, but be more conservative and flag "impossible" efforts (ie, faster than world record pace, 1 minute mile runs, etc)

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  • The auto-exclusion of "infeasible" efforts could be a good improvement, although it clearly needs to take account of gradient (both positive and negative) in determining maximum feasible speeds.  Maybe the algorithm could also be tweaked based on feedback from "trusted" users ?

    Hopefully once the bugs are worked out it can be applied retrospectively to old Activities and not simply used for new ones.

    I recently created a new Segment - after allowing Strava time to populate the leaderboard with old Activities, I had a look to see if I was close to the KOM.  It was a little de-motivating to see the KOM had an average speed of 113 mph !  Hopefully the new algorithm will remedy such data issues. 

    Keep up the good work !

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  • I think that the constant e-bike issues could be solved in two steps. At least most of them...

    1) in My gear e-bike should be a bike Type

    2) exclude e-bikes from the normal KOM and what have you statistics and maybe have their own KOM stats.

    I sometimes ride my e-bike and I must admit that I am way too lazy to login to Strava after every e-bike ride and go through the hassle of editing the settings so that the ride wouldn't be visible in the stats. The easiest solution is to have the bike categorized as an e-bike and you don't need to go and check your privacy settings after every ride.

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  • @Tapio Kanko It's already the case if you create a Garmin mode "ebike" on your device, and you connect your Garmin to your engine. It's uploaded directly to your Strava activites as an Ebike ride.

    My proposal to avoid the "lazy" people is just to kick them out of Strava if they have been flagged as Ebike activities more than X times. I'm sure people will become much less lazy, and if not, the one who will be kicked out won't miss too much to the Strava community.

     

     

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  • Tapio Kanko - For your 2nd item, e-bikes already do have their own segments and leaderboards and KOM stats.  You just need to set the activity type of your ride to "e-bike" and it is taken care of.  No reason to change your privacy settings.

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  • I really believe that tagging your gear as an e-bike would solve most of the problems.

    @Jason Lamoreaux oh, thanks, didn’t even notice the ebike option :D

    I don’t use Garmin and my device doesn’t have an ebike option. The device posts my activities automatically so I don’t manually check my every ride later and start edit them.

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  • I would like to be able to see a leaderboard on a segment in Zwift for Followers instead of the overall leaderboard. The overall leaderboard is of no importance to me -- I have no chance of being near the top, and there are so many people it's not possible for me to see the ones I care about, which are the people I ride with.

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  • Still Ebike issues!

    You are losing a lot of your mountain bike users, because of the failure to stop ebikers uploading their rides into normal leaderboards. I will be cancelling my subscription because, like for many other competitive cyclists, the ability to compare your times to other local racers is one of the main reasons to use Strava. Ebike rides continue to take up spots in leaderboards making it impossible to use this as a training tool. 

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  • Worst forum i have ever been.

    I can not believe the way it works.  If you want to comment a post in the first page, you have to write 11 pages later...

    Do you think with this forum some can follow a topic?

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  • @Cesar Corral - I agree with you. This forum should show newest posts first as a default view.

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  • Cesar Corral 🇪🇸 I fully agree, we have a great contender at the title of worst forum ever.

    Note :

    1. Less than one year old and already a real mess
    2. No more then 21 subscribers to sub-topics
    3. Ironically, a lot of the point raised in forum receive no clear answer...while in fact new feature fixing these points have been added over the year in Strava !

    So the problem is not only the forum, but also the way relation to its users is managed

    And by the way...https://support.strava.com/hc/fr/community/posts/360073566191-Feedback-about-our-Forum may be the correct place to report this !

     

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  • Cesar Corral 🇪🇸, John Moreci 🇺🇸, - Your comments about the forum layout would probably be better fit into the "Forum Feedback" section.  this section is focused on comments regarding Segment Leaderboards.  I agree that the format isn't all that great, but there is a place specifically set up to bring those issues up.

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  • Jason Lamoreaux  I don't think it matters where we post.  I looked to see when the Strava folks who set-up the forums last posted and its been quite a while.  I think we users are all just talking to each other...  I think you may be the most active of all.👍

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  • Hi! We have a local (male) athlete who changed his gender on strava to 'be funny' and 'prove a point.' In doing so, he takes many female QOMs and makes a mockery of trans athletes. He is not trans, but is just doing this to ridicule trans athletes and to prove that he can. Is there a way to flag this individual's account to prevent him from affecting leaderboards, etc?

    Thanks.

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  • Jennilyn T. thanks for raising this concern. At Strava this kind of behavior is not condoned, and it is very important to us. I've created a support ticket for you, you'll hear more from us on this matter shortly.

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  • I would like to see more age categories. Now there is no more categories past age 75.

    Those of us over 80 or 90 ate competing with 75 year old's and it does make a huge difference

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  • In the mobile app (I'm on iOS), when looking at someone else's activity, if I tap into a segment, I would like to see how my ranking compares to theirs. Eg, they are 1000/10000, and I am 800/10000.

    Currently, in the segment detail page, it shows my friends time (for the current ride, and their PR), and my own PR below that. However, when you scroll down to the leaderboard, the ranking is my own.

    If i then tap into a leaderboard like All-Time, only my own ranking is show (below the top10). It would be great if, at the very least, this leaderboard would show my friend's ranking as well. So it would have the Top 10, my ranking, and my friend's ranking. This is useful to see how my friends and I stack up compared to everyone else.

    Thanks

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  • I would love to be able to search for Inline Skating segments. Right now I have to go out and skate and find out after the fact if I’ve discovered one on my route. I plan on making segments in my city as well, and it would be nice if other locals could search for them as well to help motivate our community.

    Thank you.

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