Achievements: personal records, top 10, XOMs, best efforts, etc.

This is the post for all feedback and feature requests related to Achievements. This includes personal records, top 10, XOMs, Best Efforts, etc. 

 

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  • Estimated Best Efforts often end up showing trash data because of bad GPS recordings.

    If you contact support to get an activity removed from this calculation, they will remove it and reply saying that they won't remove another one. This is poor process and bad customer experience.

    Really you need to build this in as a feature to your platform. EBEs are an important part of the user’s profile and runs do not always happen where there is good GPS reception (in my case I had over a mile running through a tunnel under a river – and this is on a race course, so there is no way to choose another route). Therefore the issue needs to be solved on your side.

    It sounds to me like the issue you have is that it uses up man-time for your customer support team. Personally I pay £50 per year and this is basically the only reason I need to contact you.

    There are three solutions to this issue:

    1. Customer Support removes the offending activity
    2. Give the user a way to do it themselves
    3. Solve it with an algorithm

    Currently you're doing option 1 - that's not good for you, for data quality or for the customer. 

    If the problem is one of the resources required to manually remove these activities from the EBE calculation then just use option 2 – built out some functionality which enables the Strava user to remove them. Clearly there is a process for this already because CS can do it, you just need to expose it to the user - problem gone.

    Frankly this could even be done algorithmically because the GPS issues are clear on the map (this is option 3)– they appear as dead straight lines, or show as very short segments, etc. Even now for the offending run I can see that I have a peak pace over 1km of, literally, 1s/km – that’s fighter jet territory! So algorithmically it is comparatively easy to make this problem go away, but this is more work for you and may not pick up everything.

    Basically - give us a button, problem goes away.

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  • As an old runner, it would provide some extra motivation for me if segment achievements were awarded by age group. Not only KOMs as suggested somewhere above, but also for first, second and third position on a segment leader board in your age group. I know I can look this up by leaderboard filtering, but having these achievements show up automatically would be nice, and not too hard to implement I think. 

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  • Better selection of achievements in the activity summary
    In the summary of the activity, most likely the only part of an activity followers look at there are personal achievements shown for 2 selected segments.
    How those 2 are selected, however, appears rather random.
    For instance, on one ride I took place 7/1500 riders for one segment I cared about. Yet, shown in the feed are segments where I got 1200/11000 (I did not even know the segment existed actually and do not care). 
    Bottom line: I would love to get the 'good' results in the summary and not some random result. 

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  • I’m echoing a little of what others said but I want to be more succinct.

    As a runner, when I have a new best effort, I’m always curious to see how it compared to other best efforts at the same distance. It would be awesome to be able to click on that record, “PR 10 Mile 1:13:36” or To click on the best effort under the profile statistics and see a list of Top 10 efforts for the specified distance, which can be tapped to open the activity it’s related to.

    This would be helpful because as Runners we are goal oriented and being able to compare present efforts to past efforts help us see the growth/performance gains. And by being able to go into the specific activities from the top 10 list we can see how our pacing/heart rate/cadence differences contributed in that effort.

    Just today I ran my best 10 mile effort ever in 1:13. I immediately wondered how that compared to previous best efforts at the same distance. I had to go in search all my activities based off of name, or distance and go through them one by one defined by second best and third best effort to understand how much better the effort was, I didn’t know if it was by 10 seconds or a two minutes.

    Turns out it was by 1:51. But I had to dig to find it. That’s a huge motivator knowing my changes in workout plans are working better.

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  • Gavin Duxbury - I could see the interest in seeing what bike people rode for a segment, but I think you would most likely discover that a large majority of people do not actually indicate what bike they are riding in their files.  Most, from what I have seen, either do not enter any bikes or just don't bother to edit their file to say which one they are riding.  Also, there should not be any e-bikes listed in the regular bike leaderboards anyway since they are their own activity type, so you wouldn't be able to compare those anyway.

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  • Mike Nottingham - I don't think they are asking for separate segments, just a separate leaderboard for the existing segments that is specific to the time of day, so one leaderboard for "daytime" and one for "nighttime".  This wouldn't require any changes to any device, just a function in Strava to identify the time a segment was accomplished which would classify it as a "daytime" or "nighttime" achievement.  But I agree with you, I think this is a waste.  I think it just follows along with the other request for additional ways to earn crowns of one sort or another.  It seems people want to just make it so everyone gets a crown, which ultimately just cheapens the ones people do get.  Your point about timezones is just one issue I see with this functionality.  Another would be how to determine a daytime or nighttime achievement for a long segment that spans across the timeframes.  Not all segments are 5 minutes long, some are hours long.  Personally, I like the idea that there is one KOM for a given segment (well, two if you count the QOM and KOM).  Some segments are actually faster in the dark (I know I can ride a lot of winter snowbike segments faster with a good headlight in the dark than I can in the daylight due to better contrast and visibility of the trail edges).  Some are better for certain bikes, or certain weather conditions, or certain times of day due to other users.  Going after a KOM is fun because it often means you have to factor in a number of aspects to get the best possible run.  I wouldn't want a separate KOM for one type of bike over another or a separate one for a rainy day compared to dry or a separate one for winter versus summer.  Just one for everything and the rider has to pick the most opportune conditions to make their attempt.  

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  • When a woman beats everyone (all women and all men's records) on a segment, KOM should be the achievement shown on the activity achievement summary, not QOM. Give credit where credit is due!!

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  • Is there way to edit which achievement is displayed on an activity when obtaining multiple achievements? 

    Example: I did a Gran Fondo  - I obtained the achievement, but on my activity it displays a local ledged achievement I also got instead. I would much rather have the Gran Fondo achievement display instead of the  Local legend on some worthless segment.

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  • Does anyone know how to reset ( delete ) all Statistics  ? 

    I want a new start and set new PR's .....

    Thanks 

    Michael

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  • 🇧🇪Michael🌱 B.- can you simply create a new identity with a new name ?

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  • Hello. Add a TOP 10 tab somewhere so we can keep track of the trophies/top 10 we achieved. Actually, I am trying to keep track outside the app. Oh, and somewhere in the future add the possibility to highlight, on profile, the event/acitivities trophies we feel most satisfied/proud. (as Steam service does).

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  • As we get older, our earlier PRs typically become unattainable. Because most of us are very competitive, this can be very discouraging even though intellectually we know we should slow down. It would be great to have trophies and records relative to others in our age group as well as overall (you could conceivably do same for weight). This will give us new goals to strive for.

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  • It would be a cool enhancement to add a KOM/QOM page that lists the XOMs you previously had, but someone has since taken from you. That way, you have a nice clean source of segments you can work towards getting back.

    For example, if I had the KOM on 'Hill' then it was taken by John Doe, it'd move from my 'KOM' list to my 'stolen KOM' list. 

    Thanks!

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  • Show all, not just 100 segments and KOMs in profile on the app. Just use pagination, like on the website. Why limit the app to only 100 segments and KOMs?!?

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  • Put the list of the nearest 10 segments that you can select from back in Maps!!! It was there, then it was replaced by nonsense. Its nearly impossible to click certain segments on the map instead of having a list. And the list showed more segments than the map does! Please put it back how it was several versions ago. This was an extremely useful feature!

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  • Hi out there.

    How do I delete a KOM?

    I had a crash this spring, and after that my bike was transportet in a car with the computer still on, therefore I now have 5 KOM's and want to be fair and delete those KOM's.

    Thanks..

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  • Thomas Larsen - the simplest thing would be to crop the activity to remove the part that was in a vehicle

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  • Prinz Pitter:  This is why I use VeloViewer.  It's an addition £10 a year (which I personally consider very affordable) and does an exceptional job of allowing you to filter and view your results in a variety of different ways.  You can, for example, distinguish between "real" and "virtual" rides, even filter on a specific bike, distinguish between walks, runs, and hikes, etc.

    It loads data directly from your Strava account for analysis.

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  • Kev Fisher

    Sounds like most of this is solved just by making some longer segments for the whole route you want to compare?

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  • Would be nice to have the ability to compare similar workouts to see how you are progressing and how it compares to historical resorts in Strava. Here is an example from a competing running application. Right now there are just "Best Efforts" in Strava and it only ranks them to the top 3 (I believe). The "Best efforts" should be the "rank and compare"; it is also not clickable to see a ranked list.  Would be nice to see how the current workout is ranked for all similar workouts. You cannot see a historical list in Strava but can in a competing application. The "rank and compare" workouts could be a premium features. 

     

     

     

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  • @ Jason DeBerry Unless you want to compare results from different stadium courses, why don't you just click on "view matched activities" to compare your times over a particular course ? It shows you a list and a graph of times/speeds. Comparing different road or trail courses with different conditions is rather pointless, too many variables.

    It would be nice if the list was sortable by times instead of just date but the graph is clear enough.

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  • Hi Sergey Altynov! You should be able to see all of your activities on the activity feed using the "Your Activities" filter at the top of the page. However, if you are still not seeing all of your activities in this view, please let us know and we can start a support ticket for you. Keep in mind you can also access all of your activities in a list form using the "My Activities" page, found under the "Training" tab on Strava's web platform - this option also allows for searching through your past activities by keyword. Hope that helps!

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  • Further to my note from yesterday, does anyone have a good explanation of how the new CR, KOM and QOM designations work for bike rides ?  I noticed today that the number of Segments listed on my new KOM/CR tab is slightly more than it was on my old KOM tab.  I thought at first I had got a couple of KOMs by default due to another athlete deleting their data or perhaps having an Activity flagged but this doesn't seem to be the case.  I also considered I may have a KOM that is not a CR because it's not as good as the QOM but I didn't find any of these.  After some digging I found a Segment where I previously had the KOM but lost it to another athlete.  The current leaderboard shows the other athlete at the top of the board and me second.  Confusingly the other athlete has the CR and I have the KOM.  If I filter the list to show only men then I am at the top.  The other athlete does not appear if I filter the list to show only women.  Hence I assume the other person has chosen either the "non-binary" or "prefer not to say" for their gender. 

    I fully accept an athlete's right to make such a choice.  I also think it could be unfair to women to compete against such people.  However, as a man I have no concerns about competing against such people.  Hence I'm struggling to see if there is real benefit to having 3 categories (CR, KOM and QOM) - would 2 be sufficient (one for women only and another for everyone).  If there are good reasons for the 3 categories could there at least be a way to identify the small number of Segments where an athlete is shown as KOM but not CR ?  As my profile combines both KOMs and CRs it gives a list that I think is too long as it shows a couple of Segments where I do not have the fastest time (and these are difficult to identify).

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  • Hi Ian Barton - great question! The top position on the Overall leaderboard for cycling activities will now hold the title of Course Record. This title is a more accurate reflection of the composition of the Overall leaderboard, which includes athletes from all gender identities. Queen and King of the Mountain will remain the title given to the athlete atop of the Women' and Men’s leaderboard for cycling activities. Because the CR is inclusive of athletes from all gender preferences, keep in mind that it is possible to have the top position (CR) as well as a KOM or QOM.

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  • Thanks for the comments on this.  I looked at quite a large sample of Segments yesterday and found about 0.6% (7 out of about 1200) have a CR that is neither the KOM or QOM.  I assume this is because the CR holder has either deliberately not identified as male or female or has perhaps not completed their profile. I found 1 out of about 1200 where the QOM was better than the KOM, and hence is also the CR (on a Segment attempted by 6 people).

    Based on my snapshot of the situation in my area it seems that the CR and KOM are the same for more than 99% of the Segments.  Hence I'm struggling to see why separation of these categories is important.  However, given that it has been decided to make this change I would like to have some way of identifying the small number of items where I have a KOM but not the CR - this would provide some challenge in trying to upgrade a few KOMs to CRs (at present the new KOMs / CRs tab shows both with no distinction).

    On a related point, I realise that treatment of performances that equal an existing KOM was changed a few months ago.  It used to be that only the first person to achieve a leading time was flagged as KOM but now all equalling performances are treated the same way.  This is fine, although I always felt a performance that equalled what another person has done is not as impressive as exceeding it.  Hence it might be of interest to flag those KOM (or CR) performances that exceed all preceding ones and those that merely equal another athlete.

    For what it's worth, I also looked at the number of Men and Women who have attempted Segments that have been attempted by at least 1000 people.  Generally the total number of Men and Women (determined by using the leader-board filters) was about 98% of the total number of people attempting a Segment, suggesting about 2% of athletes have chosen not to self-identify as Male or Female (or not completed their profile).

    To answer William's question, a few days ago I got 2 messages to say I had lost 2 CRs but the links failed.  Yesterday I got 2 messages to say I had lost 2 unrelated KOMs (which were also CRs).  The links worked fine although there was no message about losing the CRs.  I'm guessing that Strava are still fine-tuning the notification system to adapt to the new categories.

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  • Please change "Today" in "Same day" in the app. I want to compare my time on a segment with other people who rode the segment on the same day as I did. If I take a look at the segment that I rode on a Monday with 6Bft headwind I want to know what others did on that segment that same day. If today is Friday I only have the option to select "Today" which might be a day with 5Bft tailwind, which makes this information useless. 

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  • Hello

    It would be very inspiring if you would got A Medals (gold, silver and browns for your own this year best segment times and as well this year best 10 times trophy and this year KOM trophy, because several years use of strata it is very hard got all time 10 best list, but quite possible in this year list.

    And this should be seen in the feed also.

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  • Season's best please.  Just as you had it in 2015: https://blog.strava.com/new-year-new-achievements-9125/

    It's not possible to get any sort of PB on any of my regular rides.  a) I've cycled them all in every storm windy situation, way beyond even my peak fitness b) I am getting older, not younger, I'll never get back to previous fitness c) coming out of injury or some other break.  For all those scenarios there's no motivation around current fitness levels.  Really, it would be better if I started a new Strava profile, but why should I have to?

    Other things do pop up from time to time and I'm sure they're well meaning, but nothing makes more sense to me than doing a segment faster this week than I did last week, while also forgetting that years ago I once did it in half the time.

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  • Hi Strava: 
    For some reason You no longer make a notification if I loos a QOM. I have seen something about not sending notifications if the segment is bellow 0% .
    1) Why ? Makes no sense. Ophil-downhill-segments or segments starting-and-ending same place is very good training-tools and a great motivation - This is the MAIN reason i subscribe.

    2) You dont make notifikations on lost QOM/KOMs abowe 0% either - so ... reconsider this - it does not work !
    3) You have chosen not to send the above notifications in order not to send irrelevant notifications - but stil - I am spammed with notifications and emails about Local Legends - which I do not care for.
    Get those notifications on KOM/QOM's back please !!!

    Best regards
    Jeannie

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  • Emma Frost - I understand what you are saying, but there is no realistic way to determine whether someone was part of a "group ride" or riding solo in a lot of cases.  Strava's determination of a "group ride" is terrible.  I have been shown as riding "with" other people that I never saw a single time during the ride, I just happened to ride a similar route at near the same time.  Same thing for races.  I've been a little ahead of the pack, clearly not getting any drafting help from the group, yet I was close enough to them that most things would consider my ride to be part of a "group ride".  So, essentially, the only way to get a good determination of what a "group ride" is would need each person to tag that in their upload which isn't going to happen.  Heck, most people don't bother to even go back into Strava after a ride at all, just relying on the auto-upload/sync options from their devices.  

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