Tags to Separate Skate vs Classic Nordic Skiing

Designate a separate activity tag for Classic skiing versus Skate skiing. 

 

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  • Please, isn't it time this is resolved? The season is too short ...

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  • I think we should be realistic in our expectations. There is no question that the cross-country vs. nordic skiing mess needs to be dealt with. But I really don't think it needs to be split further into classic/skate/snow/pavement etc. IMO it is obvious that a segment on pavement was done on roller skis. Sure your times recorded sking classic will be slower than the same course skate skied. But again, following the same logic one could ask for separate stats based on what kind of bike you are using. For example, I do have KOMs done on a cross bike on trails where others are riding their MTBs. Does it make me now a cheater or who can tell whether it is in my advantage or disadvantage?

    Just make crosscountry/nordic skiing  a "real" sport on the same level as cycling and running with segments, KOMs, yearly stats etc., please.

    And while I am on this, that applies to any other self-proppeled sport (rowing, paddling of those that I sure would like to see but there are certainly many others). Come on, it can't be that hard to do if garmin connect can do it!

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  • why wait, just do it :-)

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    • XC skiing classic
    • XC skiing skate
    • Rollerski classic
    • Rollerski skate
    • Statistics for the above

    Fix this and I'll sign up for a premium account :-)

     

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    • XC skiing classic
    • XC skiing skate
    • Rollerski classic
    • Rollerski skate
    • Statistics for the above

    Fix this and I'll also sign up for a premium account :-)

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  • Please combine the existing Cross-country and nordic skiing into a new activity called cross-country free. Create a new activity called cross-country classic.

    Nordic skiing is a term that includes ski-jumping as well as cross-country classic and skate.

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  • Come on Strava! Get it done!

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  • I don't think so! Look at the times of the wasa run! A good classic runner is as fast like a skate runner.

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  • I disagree that classic and skating techniques should be split. It's only for the professionals with professionally waxed top model skis that there is a small difference (appr 4%). For us amateurs there is no significant difference. The snow conditions are influencing much more, and we can't start splitting into different snow conditions. On high friction snow, like very cold and dry, or very wet, classic technique can be faster. On low friction snow, skating technique can be faster. But in the end it's the person on top of the skis that matters most :-)

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  • Harald...with respect, I disagree with your disagreement.  ;)

    Your logic seems reasonable, but in practice...as most everyone has expressed, skating and classic skiing are different the many ways. Even the Olympics has different events for the two styles, so I think it would be an uphill push to convince very many people that the two styles are essential the same.

    Strava has missed most of the ski season to get things fixed as to the overwhelming support for separating the two styles (and perhaps had 2 more for roller skiing). Hopefully they can get our collective response resolved before the next season.

     

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  • This is partly a copy of a prievious post on slightly different subject. Adding also the obvious; FIS designates skate teqnique as "Free technique" and the rules allow for "all cross country skiing techniques" (art. 310.2.2). So, you're allowed to go diagonally in skate competitions. Then why are nobody doing it? (Apart from the fact that normally they don't include classic preparation but I've experienced that, too...). For the exact same reason you see Wasaloppet skiers cheating by going skate when they are tired after 60k's and they think nobody is watching. Wasaloppet has received many complaings over the years from angry athletes observing such cheating, and is combatting the cheating with oficials along the track.

    For sub-elite down to the ordinary skier, skate will always be faster if you don't have any handicap that prevent you from doing the necessary movements. But honestly, I've never encountered anybody who hasn't been able to skate after some technique sessions. Please trust me on this one. Of course, if you've never tried skating there might be a difference, but that difference is due to the new movements and some basic muscle building that needs to be done. We all know how to swim breast, and probably the first times you try to adapt to crawl you will suffer because of the unusual technique in the water. That's why you have different disciplines in swimming, exactly as it's two different xc-disciplines.

    As some elite and sub elite and everyday skiers will be relatively better at classical due to the technique fitting them better. But that's not getting the point. Skate is faster. Frank Mörl, your pointing to Vasaloppet to prove your point is not valid. At Vasaloppet, skate is forbidden. If you would allow skate, you would see that the top 500 skiers would have faster times at skate. (Look at the results from Skejtvasan - which unfortunately is removed from the program nowadays.)

    So, as Strava is a GREAT tool for everything from everyday to subelite and even elite athletes, we really need to have the split on order not to make XC segments meaningless. 

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  • Actually, when strava provides "Classic Skiing" and "Skate Skiing" I will use both types.

    But with respect, I agree to Haralds disagreement: It is simply not true, that skate is always faster than classic. The Thuringian champion in Nordic Skiing runs at almost the same speed in classic and skate technique. He won both races on two following days on the very same track.

    It seems, that we only feel, the skate technique is faster. But at Oberhof, I was that often overrunned by a professional doing classic technique, where I had pushed my skate. Otherwise, a poor skater is easy to catch uphill, when I do some classics.

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  • "For sub-elite down to the ordinary skier, skate will always be faster if you don't have any handicap that prevent you from doing the necessary movements."

    My guess is that I usually skate ski a couple of percent fastet than I classic ski. The difference is so small that the difference in conditions in the track and outside the track could make up the difference (better glide in the track than outside). Another thing that can make a difference is the skis. If your classic skis is better for the conditions than your skate skis it might also go faster to go classic.

    The last thing is that the difference in conditions is often much larger than the difference in style used. I wouldn't have any chance to be faster skating in new snow than I am in old and icy snow going classic on the same segment. 

     

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  • The point is not whether one is faster than the other or whether weather makes a difference. I can run downhill faster than you can bike uphill on ice, but that is completely beside point that they are different sports. Skate skiing uses different skiis, different poles, different boots, different muscle groups, requires different lessons for different technique. It is a different sport by every definition imaginable. It should be separated on that basis alone already. In addition, all other things being equal, skate skiing is typically 15% faster around here. Therefore, the segments where there is a skating and a classic track are useless for someone who only does classic. Polar Flow has the two sports separated. There is precedent for doing the right thing. Imagine that.
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  • "all other things being equal, skate skiing is typically 15% faster around here. Therefore, the segments where there is a skating and a classic track are useless for someone who only does classic."

    I guess this explains some of the difference in opinions. I don't believe that it is common with that kind of difference among skiers in the nordic countries that use both techniques. 

     

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  • What is the difference between "Nordic ski" and "Cross-Country skiing" activity type on Strava?

    I too support differentiating between XC classic and XC skate.  Not only is the equipment different, but the trails are also different.  Similar to MTB versus road trails, sure, one could ride with one bike on the other type of trail, but it may not be a good idea!

    Then there is the speed differential aspect.  Sure, there will always be exceptions, top XC classic skiers as fast or maybe faster than skaters on a certain course.  But they are two different sports in the Olympics, why not differentiate them here?

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  • So this thread started in 2012 and it is now April of 2015 and no changes have been made yet. I will likely be taking my last ski of the year this weekend and then cleaning and waxing and storing the skis until next winter, so it's pretty much too late for this season. The consensus seems to be that the categories need to be Nordic/ skate and Nordic/classic.

    Any chance you can get this done before we start skiing again next November???

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  • Why did you screw Nordic skiing up by adding Cross-country skiing? How are you going to merge the segments? Why do I still need to "make private-make public-refresh" to see CRs? I have canceled my premium account. I'm not getting my value I feel, still the same poor training statistics summary.

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  • Fail! This is beyond a joke. Why did you have to mess things up. It wasn't great before, but this is a disaster. Garmin were equally as ignorant when they went over to Bing maps and just ignored their customers. That's why I switched to Strava. Now Strava are acting like Garmin. Time to move on and find someone that listens to the customer
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  • Yes, beyond a joke... Early 2015? Yeah right, it is soon mid 2015...

    The consensus is clearly:

    • Classic
    • Skate/freestyle
    • Rollerskiis Classic
    • Rollerskiis Skate/Freestyle

     

    Just fix it? How hard can it be??

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  • It makes zero sense to have both cross-country and Nordic skiing. They're the same thing! We need classic ski/cross-country and skate ski/cross-country!!

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  • OK...I have been on this thread for a couple of seasons now, so it is apparent change will be slow.  So why don't we as a user community just decide to say Classic is "Cross-Country" and Skate is "Nordic".  Not perfect, but if we all started categorizing that way, it will work until Strava finally realizes how big the Nordic community can be for them.

     

    PS--when Strava finally does realize that Nordic is worthwhile, I hope they could grab weather data (at least temp) and add a field for skis used (just like bike or shoes) and wax type.  That way we could see times and realize what we had on that day!

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  • Hello,
    the problem now is that at beginning people used "Nordic Ski" because it was the only one available, then "Cross Country Ski" appears. Then "Nordic Ski" is gone from the app, but not from the site, so people who use the app can only use "Cross Country Ski", but now "Nordic Ski" is back in the app too. And many other people use "Run" because otherwise the activity doesn't appers in the stats and the user profile page as a "noble" activity that deserve to be show in the athlete page. So it's a bit of a mess, the segments are usefull, there is no statistics, and the user page doesn't show it as an active day. I keep use "Nordic Ski" because at least it's recognized as an XT activity and all my old entry are "Nordic Ski".

    Please try to fix this for good, so that people can choose the right activity and right technique (Skating/Classic) and let it shown in the user activity page as an active day and give us statistics, otherwise a lot of people will keep using "run" instead.

    Thanks,Andrea

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  • I guess they are just preparing for global warming. At this pace there is no need to care about skiing, snow will just be a distant memory when they have finished developing. 

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  • Maybe something happens before next winter, or, maybe not..... only time will tell

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  • This is disappointing. I just started using the app for cycling and running, but today it was time for roller skis (classic). It can't be that difficult to fix the categories. It is crucial for Strava to make the function just as good for other measurable activities to succeed in long term.
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  • "Stay tuned for more updates!"

    I think we have all been staid tuned for a long time but nothing is happening on this major issue... The cross country skiing season is going to start again in 2 months and still nothing has changed...

    I still have a "Cross country skiing" activity type in my android app which won't aggregate to my old "nordic skiing" activities.

    Looks like Strava team are now more focused on finding shareholders than fixing their existing Premium members issues... Disapointing...

     

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  • It's a shame that Strava has not acted on this one yet. Please note the general consent on the subject. Another skiing season filed with frustration is not worth sticking with Strava. (CORRECTLY) CATEGORISED SEGMENTS is (nearly) all and everything Strava is about, and it's extremely fun, so why ruining it??

    What will be next, merging running and cycling into one "Sport where you use your legs" category? Sorry about the caps btw but it seems so futile to try and convince.

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    • XC skiing classic
    • XC skiing skate
    • Rollerski classic
    • Rollerski skate
    • Statistics for the above
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  • Please do it! It is already 3.5 years since the feature request was started. You've had plenty of time, and it should be easy to resolve.

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