Feedback for Annual Achievement Awards

December 22nd, 2015:

 

As we go into the new year, where annual achievements would reset, we wanted to let you know that annual achievements have been deactivated.

We're grateful for all your feedback over the course of the year, positive and negative, and we will continue to explore and develop other ways to celebrate and incentivize Strava athletes. Thank you for understanding and have a great holiday season. 

 

 

Starting in 2015, annual achievements recognize your accomplishments on running and cycling segments during the current year. 

Full explanation found here: https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/21299622-Achievement-Awards-Glossary

We'd love to hear your feedback on this new feature, so please leave your comments below! 

January 30th, 2015 update:

To summarize what Strava has done so far to address the feedback we've received:
  • As of today, we've disabled annual PR achievements on your activities. Those activities uploaded in the past will see 2015 annual PRs removed in a few weeks once the caches have cleared.
  • A few weeks ago, trophies for 6th-10th place for the 2015 overall leaderboard were disabled. 
  • We fixed how we prioritize significant achievements as highlighted in the Activity Feed, Top Results (Activity page), and Recent Achievements (Profile Page). What was happening initially after the release is that annual achievements were appearing among the 2-3 highlighted achievements in the Activity Feed and in the Top Results section of the Activity page when there were more significant overall results later on in the activity. This was simply due to faulty logic, and we changed the logic to surface the most "significant" achievements instead by prioritizing all-time achievements. 

  • The Annual Achievements that remain are KOM/QOM/CR and trophies for 2nd-5th place.

We are not going to develop an opt-out feature for annual achievements. Despite the overwhelming support for such a setting, we have chosen to take other steps to address your feedback instead, allowing us to work to make this feature better. By turning off a significant number of the annual achievements we hope that the clutter will be improved, and that it will be easier to view the achievements that are most important. As you can read below, we still have a number of projects coming later this year that will also improve the situation regarding too many achievements and visibility into annual leaderboards. Please continue to share your feedback with us here. 

You can find an update to the Strava Blog on Annual Achievements here:
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  • Where are the annual KOM's - For long time riders it's almost impossible to geta personal best and means that incentive via annual KOM's etc is missing. This is so disappointing and why on earth can't this be decided on an individuals settings. It's only software.

    This year I have no awards in January - despite some heroic efforts and being KOM this year on several segments - Strava is becoming irrelevant to me. I can not compete with my local riders on an annual basis - utter nonsense and rubbish.

    Sadly it makes Strava very boring and almost useless to me other than keeping a record of miles done.

     

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  • I use Strava for a number of reasons.   I have been using it for many years now and have gotten many others in my bike club to start using it as well.  Bottom line is that the annual achievement is not a PR for many reasons.   First, Strava was clever to have the annual achievement at Jan 1st since most people (in the northern hemisphere) taper training in the fall and pick it up again in the spring.   No that I am in my 50's, I am not going to be as good as my 2011 self.  But my older friends and I have certain courses that we do together and as the year progresses, we will attempt to move the needle on the Annual KOM higher and higher as we gain fitness again, thus providing motivation during the sufferfest to keep on going.   Also, there are some segments where a professional bike race has come through town where the peloton has push the KOM's off the charts.  Not getting top 10 in those anymore, so no motivation there.

    Please reconsider putting the annual achievements back on line.  The few negative voices last year that convinced Strava to remove them are not the majority with the people I know and ride with.   And yes, if it needs a toggle switch for those few who have a hard time telling the difference between an annual KOM and overall KOM and hate seeing a few extra trophies, so be it.  Thank you for your consideration.

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  • I am sure most everyone in this thread is very aware of the methods that Strava has available to filter the segment data.  And, I for one think Strava has done a good job to enable the users to distill that data in varied ways.   However, I would submit that filtered data does not provide the same motivation as a posted achievement.   If it did, that logic would suggest there is no point in having a KOM achievement at all.  Since all you have to do is look at the leader board.  The achievements are there to reward the user (and display to others who follow that user) for extraordinary effort. 

    Per Strava's web site their mission is to allow people to "connect and compete with each other" and "provide motivation and camaraderie".

    As evidenced by the number of people who use Strava, they have been successful at this.  Virtual competition is good motivation and it is surprising that people will dig that deep for a little digital cup.  

    However, as Strava matures with more and more people joining and covering the same ground, the top 10's are going to get harder and harder. That is a fact.  And the longer you are on Strava the harder it will be to get a PR, that is also a fact.  So with no annual achievements Strava has built in it's own obsolescence and people will get bored with it an leave for a more interesting platform.   This is evidenced by the fact that there is so much segment proliferation.  (With no ability to achieve a existing segment, new ones get created.)  That will keep happening unless a different method to keep people motivated is implemented.

    Having annual achievements was and is a good way for Strava to keep people interested and engaged as both their clientele and legacy segments mature.   And yes a toggle switch to turn them off for people who don't want to see the little gold cups in their feed is just fine too.

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  • I think it'll be a disadvantage for Strava to remove the annual QOM. Now I can use Endomondo and have a more custom made system
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  • Adding my voice to those who want to keep the annual achievements.  In fact, I would suggest that they not only keep them they should add additional ones for annual Personal Records.   Bottom line is that what makes Strava great for me is the extra motivation to push just that little bit harder when your lungs and legs want to quit.  As we all naturally age, we may never be as good as we were in our younger years and more over trying to reach that elusive PR or KOM that I set 5 years ago is simply not going to happen and  really no longer provides any motivation.  Especially for us cyclists where weather and riding in a group can play a big part of a KOM.  When I am out solo riding, a annual PR or KOM would still provides some motivation to go hard on a known segment just to see if I can best a PR I may have set earlier in the year.   And I think Strava made a big mistake listening to the few people who wanted it gone since those of us who liked it never found a reason to comment previously.

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  • At my age in the Netherlands (the most intensly biked country in the world probabaly)  getting a KOM is nearly impossible. But a PR is still nice and I like the annual PR as it shows you how you are progressing in the season, building up condition etc. The main idea behind Strava is to motivate people to get out so it iwould be a pity if this motivational factor does not return at all in some form.

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  • I'd like to see a return of the annual achievements, maybe with a threshold of some kind (active after january, active after segment has been attempted 10% the total attempts of the previous year, etc.) so that people's feeds aren't overrun by them in january.  These annual achievements become meaningful after a significant number of riders have tried their hand at a segment each year, and earning one in the later months can be just as meaningful and yet more attainable than all-time achievements.  I particularly enjoy trying for the annual achievements on segments that have been overrun by summer group rides or pro teams on training camps, and have impossibly fast all-time records that stretch 20 deep.  There are too many segments for me to feasibly examine each annual leaderboard to see where I stack up; I usually count on a trophy popping up on my ride to let me know a segment might be in my reach.  Without the trophies showing up on my rides, the annual leaderboards are essentially useless to me.  Just include an opt out feature for those who don't want to see annual achievements in their ride summaries (still include them in the leaderboards though), and I feel like members on both sides of this issue will be satisfied.

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  • The main argument against yearly KOMs seems to be "these achievements don't boost my ego as much as other achievements, and strava should be designed to boost my ego as efficiently as possible."

    I'd like them to come back, for a lot of the segments out there the leaderboard is fairly saturated and to me it's pretty meaningless to me to know how I rank against people from 3-4 years ago.  Letting you know how you rank relative to the people who are currently riding is a useful stat, especially if you're racing with those people.

    I agree that in the first few weeks of the year the number of notifications can be excessive, maybe some kind of system where the achievements only kick on after a significant number of people have ridden a segment, or once there is a small enough % gap between first and tenth place?

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  • I think that I want Annual Achievements back just to drive some people away from Strava...  (That is for you Cactus Jack)

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  • I was very disappointed to find that Strava had stopped the Annual Achievements.

    Getting the motivation to go out in the middle of winter can be hard and the opportunity for a 2015 KOM was a real incentive.  Also, it's the closest most of us got to the trophy cabinet.

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  • I'm disappointed this is no longer a feature, when this first happened in 2015 it made the first few rides of the year a challenge.

    I know it's been removed as a feature but there's still a filter for "this year", so why not allow the 2016 KOM crown to show at the side of the segment?

    Disappointed that it's been deactivated :-(

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  • Perhaps you can use a chew check boxes that will allow us to filter the achievements we see. 

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  • Well that's disappointing. 

    Was hoping to go out for a thrash and set a few times to challenge for this years annual kom, only to find you've deactivated it!  It seems you've listenen to the boring killjoys, there's money if us who enjoyed this feature.

    Why not simply provide an 'opt out' for those disinterested in annual trophies?

    I feel the value of my premium account has lessened today :(

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  • The annual achievement feature was great. I would like to have it back......

    On the other hand, this gives third party developers an opportunity (if Strava allows it....)

    Its not uncommon for compainies with a large marked share to stop listening to their customers :-(

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  • Stuart Davis. Have you got any factual statistical evidence that Strava have bowed to the vast majority? Just asking out of interest as the achievement stuff doesn't really bother me either way.

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  • As one who looked forward to the annual achievements, I am disappointed. KOMs in Richmond, VA are spoiled by 100s of Pros making Richmond their September destination this year. (Worlds was awesome...)  I also found it exciting and motivating to go around and get as many Annual KOMs as I could in January.  If you can't take the cold, you don't deserve the Annual achievements.  And if you played your cards right, you could rack up multiple achievements on the same segment.  Oh the little pleasures this was to me.  Yes, it's lame, but guess what?  I am on the other side of 40, have to much work during the week and know my limitations.  Further, by taking away the annual achievements, you really lessen the value of the all-time achievements.  No longer, can you say - sure you got the top time in 2016, but my all-time KOM trumps your annual greatly. Now, it's stands alone and cannot be compared.  One must have a comparison, to be measured truly.  Just my two sense... BTW, I would pay an extra $10 to opt out / in for annual achievements...

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  • After three years, Strava has become very boring. Not only the KOMs are contested only by pros or elite amateurs (unless you create a segment in your back yard) but also my personal bests are dominated by unrealistic times from chain gangs or massive tailwinds etc. Without some form of seasonal, rolling or generally contemporary scoreboards it is very hard to keep the interest.
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  • I think it is a BAD idea to remove the annual KOMs. Early birds who work out in the winter and climb in the cold do not deserve at least some consideration? Please RECONSIDER the policy!

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  • Deactivating annual achievements is very disappointing.  This was a feature that I really liked.  

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  • I think it's great that you are trying to recharge the segments by adding the yearly trophies; however, some might just see this as added noise.  I think it would be good to have a way to "opt out" of the annual achievements.  I had no feeling of achievement upon receiving 32 "2015 achievements" during a ride.

    Thanks for considering a way to opt out.

    Mark

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  • Being able to filter by year is interesting (or it will be after a while) but all the 2015 KOMS showing up on activities add a whole lot of noise we could do without IMO. 

    The overall leaderboards are meaningful precisely because they have been built up over so many years - they're one of the site's great assets. Whilst overall is still there, all the 2015 trophies are doing something to detract from it. 
    My suggestion: keep the new filters but ditch the new trophies.
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  • I don't like current year achievements showing up. The number of awards per ride is now meaningless and to be honest, it now means I won't click through a lot of other peoples rides because it's all too cluttered. You could always filter by current year so what's the need for the awards.

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  • Historically, we’ve been able to filer by age group and see where we stand among our peers, yet age-graded rankings are not considered  KOM’s… a policy which I think most would agree with.  But now you’ve muddied the waters a bit by awarding a half-hearted KOM for efforts during a calendar year. 

    I believe this detracts from the value of the KOM/QOM concept.  I do agree that it’s nice to see who’s doing best “this year”, but you need to make it like the age filter – just display a ranking based on year-to-date efforts. 

    For instance I earned several “year” KOM’s today and I was soft-pedalling the whole time… so how meaningful is it really?       

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  • From a long term perspective — I think this was important to introduce as it allows an annual renewal of sorts (whilst maintaining a good sense of history to compare things to). For those starting out & trying to get fit it provides some 'lower hanging fruit' which isn't completely out of reach (like most of the Top 10's times on prominent segments).

    Currently though—since it is early days in the new year—the "value" of KOM's (2015 specific) has plummeted (given riding to the shops at a leisurely pace can get them). There is an over-supply. This will naturally subside as times progress and improve again over the year.

    One way to address this moving forward would be to start recording the 2015 times; but the trophies only get "introduced" after a week or so. That way allows for a grace period of sorts... for everyone to not get bombarded with KOM's for simply rolling around on 'refreshed' segments.

    Regards

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  • Well this is about giving honest feed back, right.??.....Ok,Sorry i don't like it....It clouds your "real achievements", makes it take to long to go through your ride, like if you have 200 to 300 achievements it's crazy scanning all that ...Overall leader board is the "Real Deal" to me , this 2015 stuff is not useful.....Thanks

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  • I wish to complain that this new system for KOMs is a bad idea and I feel it will be the death of Strava. Myself and my friends have no wish for yearly KOMs or PBs I will now have to troll through loads of crap to pick out relevant results. This is a terrible idea and I will now be looking at other system rather than Strava. Please rethink this before it is too late.


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  • I think this should be a opt in/out system...Myself personally do not like this idea..As like previous comments I think you have to much going on. I would like it back how it was please. KOMs will mean nothing if they are popping up every time you ride...

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  • It's great to see all the feedback posted here - we really appreciate it! 

    So far, it seems that a number of you have voted for an "opt-out" system so that the new yearly achievements do not appear on your activities. This isn't something we originally considered, but we'll put some thought behind it. 

    The "filter" aspect by time (This year, this month, this week, Today) is NOT new as of 2015, and it's a feature that has existed for a long time. You can find these filters on any segment leaderboard if you click through to the segment page: 

    Yearly_filter.jpg

     

    I've also seen feedback from folks saying that these "Time"-based filters would be great if accessed from the Activity page itself, when reviewing the list of segments matched to an activity (instead of clicking through to the segment page each time). This is also something we're hoping to consider adding.

    Lastly, I think @*Conza*'s point is worth noting - for the first few weeks of the year, the new achievement system may be a little cluttered or crowded, but our hope is that as the year goes on this new feature proves motivating and entertaining as a great way to reignite the competition around Segments. 

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  • A KOM/QOM should be an achievement that is aspired to.  It should represent the hard work each individual who achieved it put in not just an automatic achievement that is given to each rider the first time they ride a segment now due to the Annual Achievements that are being awarded.  The new system of KOM/QOM is uninspiring and while the awards are free flowing and you get them for little or no effort to strive to improve and push yourself to do better each time you ride. 

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  • Good idea, poorly implemented.

    Yes, have Annual KOMs to stimulate activity on
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