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E-bike Rides on Cycling Leaderboards

No fun having strava. Trying to get up the table on your times and putting all the effort in. So that a ebike can just beat your time without even trying !!!! Really not my reason for joining strava to chase motorbikes !!!! They should be taken off and given their own result tables. But there will be the ones that won't admit they using ebikes. So the fun as now gone !!!! Hope people follow my lead and leave strava unless something is done about it ????? 

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  • I don't understand why Strava doesn't see the extent of the problem and the potential damage to their own tool and business idea / business model. Strava becomes completely USELESS with the increased use of ebikes! Is there anyone in the world stupid enough to be willing to compete against machines?

    This should not be a discussion about the sense of ebikes itself. We ALL agree that ebikes assist the rider with electric power. And this is the reason they need to be excluded from regular leaderboards and need to have their own board. (You could even think about dividing it into mtb, ebike and roadbike leaderboards. As a mountain biker I actually don't want to compete againgst roadies either.)

    Make it mandatory to tag your bike as mountain bike, road bike or ebike. Based on that, allocate the right leaderboard. Include a few controls in case one forgot to pick the right bike (based on uphill speed) so that you are asked, if you were really riding your road bike when you were faster than Lance Armstong on all his beloved drugs.

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  • Often times I will see a KOM smoking a segment by so much, it's impossible to believe it's unassisted cycling, but I think the current problem is more likely folks that just forget to turn off the trip they are recording, finish the ride, stow the bike in their car, and then blow through the segment at 55mph in the car on their way home.  I've done it myself!  (And then deleted the entire ride on Strava to keep from corrupting the segment times.  E-Bikes, however, are the problem of the future as they proliferate.  Strava should ask at the beginning of the recorded ride if it's an e-bike - if so no leaderboard posting... 

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  • I ride an E mountain bike, a road bike and an xc mountain bike.  I upload all of my ebike rides in the ebike category to avoid them being recorded under any non-assisted segment leaderboards.

    Usually there are no ebike segments created so I create them as a premium member of strava.

    I don't see what the problem is.  When you get yourself an ebike and upload your ride as an ebike ride you will be entitled to appear in ebike leaderboards just like your current entitlement to load your ride to a non-ebike leaderboard.

    Meanwhile, if you suspect someone's ride has been undertaken with an ebike, car or anything else for that matter, just flag it and get on with it.

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  • There is only one solution to fix this problem as well as problem with cars and motobikes using GPS devices. The same way as Strava estimates the power data, Strava should calculate the maximum possible human effort for a given segment. Any performance off this limit should not be allowed to enter the leaderboard. You simply cannot make 40 Watts/kg when even Olympic track sprinters are not possible to make it.

    Cars, motobikes and ebikes have evolved in recent years with GPS devices being omnipresent, and 5G Internet of Thing is round the corner. But Strava remains the same. If you do not start working hard to improve the quality of leaderboards, it would be end of Strava. And it will come sooner than you think.

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  • Reporting segments is a joke on Strava as no action is taken.

    I reported a climb at Gisburn forest in the UK where a lady has posted the fastest time on it. It’s clearly an Ebike time.. any doubt is removed when her profile picture shows her sat at the top of the exact climb on an ebike!

    Most ebike users are not using the correct posting options. Really as a premium strava member it’s very poor.

    Just waiting for a rival app to sort this out for MTB specific and I’ll be off. It’s clear that Strava, for all its benefits, really don’t care.

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    There is a portuguese guy in 700 clubs, always @ top 3 in distance. He even show his electric bike...   Reporting on Strava is useless.

     I think it's nice that distance leaders are people who actually ride without an electric motor!

     

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  • That guy is always uploading his e-bike rides as cycling. This has been reported:

    https://www.strava.com/activities/624525865#15247004663

    he declines - and no further report from other members is possible - that's a joke, strava.

    I will suspend my premium membership, unless strava will take action, to get rid of those e-bike-bastards

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  • I use just my very own data as reference to get motivated, and eventually benchmark with fellow riders I know personally.
    It can be as simple as that.

    no more lo less. 

    iso typing,   go RIDING !

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  • I am riding a normal mtb but have an e-bike on order. I was just going to leave Strava once I started riding it. It would be nice though to just either mark your bike as an e-bike or mark your profile as exclude from leader boards. I know how irritating it can be to falsely claim times. On one occasion I forgot to switch strava off on my drive home and upset a few people. I could not find an amend option  to trim off the excess of my route so just deleted the ride.

    Think strava should accommodate e-bikes as they are only going to get more and more.

     

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  • There are very few E-bikes at my location in Indonesia. Also, an E-bike listing is useless as the results are determined by the gear selection and the size of the motor

    Personally, I limit myself to first gear of a total of 5, I could reduce the power as far as 1 of 9. Consequently, I record my rides as normal bicycle, but do not allow my times to go public. This allows me to make comparisons with the best regular riders. If I get to the top ten, I adjust the gearing to reduce the assist. But the main assessment of progress is self comparison, the rest just maintains interest.

    Another reason why E-bike comparison is nonsense is that the battery deteriorates over time.

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  • Really need an option for reporting an ebike user. Or add a "ebike ride" on the reporting page, and after N reports the rides from that user is automatically uploaded as ebike.

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  • In the interim I just flag all e-bike riders, or suspect e-bike riders who take my KOMs. 

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  • Perhaps Strava should set up an ebike option for all of us Ebike users.. Fat thin one legged one armed or just enjoying going uphill to go downhill fast. one thing is for sure Ebikes aint going away ..they have released those of us who thought our cycling days were over due to injury old age and dissability ..sales are booming...I have a road bike and I have an e MTB 

    You dont need an ebike to be a cheat.

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  • Correct. But people who do have ebikes ARE deliberately cheating and Strava is doing nothing about it other than rely on the “honesty” of users. Clearly that isn’t and will not work.

    Look up the “hope line climb” in Gisburn forest UK for just one of almost every climb cheated by an ebike user.

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  • I think they should at least have an e-bike box you tick at join up, that way the honest e-bike riders are highlighted on the leaderboards as such.
    I’m about to get an emtb as the knees can’t handle it anymore. From what I’m told if you use strava via the Specialized app it automatically marks you as e-bike rider. But I can’t find a setting on Strava to say I have a e-bike, will stop using the app if that’s the case.

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  • Strava could solve this statistically. Ebike riders are going to be way faster relative to the overall group on uphill segments. Also, the variance between their uphill, flat, and downhill sections is going to be much less. So do some statistical analysis, Strava, and cull out the ebikes, or move them into a separate category on the leaderboards to save the concept of Strava.

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  • There are separate leaderboards for ebikes, you just select e bike as the ‘sport’ type.

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  • I just changed my setting to say exclude from leaderboard. Still see your results compared to others but do not affect the leaderboard. 

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  • Honesty and integrity seem to mean less and less these days, so claiming undeserved KOMS is sadly expected. Yes, I buy the argument that ebikes help riders continue having fun when the body starts to ail, but that's not my experience of riders with ebikes. My experience says that ebikes appeal to riders seeking an experience closer to moto-x, travelling uphill at speeds that alarm and annoy other user groups.

    Unfortunately this is happening on trails that only have a history of unassisted bike riding, in an area that is shared with dog walkers, families out for a stroll, runners, occasional horse riders and not least of all, the MoD.

    I'm very fortunate. I live next to a 1000 ha area of MoD training land that allows permissive access to the public (also a SSSI for ground nesting birds). The terrain is perfect for year round riding having everything for the novice and experienced mtber alike. The MoD byelaws do not actually allow bike riding, but until recently the MoD never enforce this. However, the MoD have now put in 8km of fencing and closed off 40% of the area due to conflict with groups of mtb night riders (interfere with night vision training). 3 years ago the MoD reminded local mtb groups that the byelaws forbid cycling and a fence would go up if the night rides didn't stop, but the rides persisted!

    Other users don't see ebikes, they just see mtbers, so we all get tarred with the same brush. Like ebikes, night riders are only a small % of mtbers that use this area so like a lot things in life, it's the few spoiling things for the many. As another saying goes "don't poke the bear or it will bite"! Well, it's already bitten once so why not twice!

    I'm 52 and been riding for 30 years and still getting the odd PR on strava, so I'm extremely grateful to still have my fitness. I also know that hitting the deck on my favourite DHs has far greater consequences. A my age the injuries stop me riding for longer and don't always heal completely. Do I need an ebike to get the same buzz as 15-20 years ago? Or am I more honest about my healing and riding abilities, responsibility to my family and age more gracefully?

     

     

     

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  • My Specialized automatically uploads as e-bike to Strava 

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  • I do the same as Gavin. I use the leader board to give myself a target. I am under no delusion as to my real place in the scheme of things. The important thing is to LEAVE THE LEADER BOARD ALONE if you are an E-bike user.

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  • Obviously as an ebike user I must be a cheat.
    Of course you don't need a motor to cheat in cycling the more serious you get the more dope you use...oh hang on insulting? Of course it is. All these clowns moaning ..get over yourselves you can tell it's an ebike but you can't tell it's dope.

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  • Surely Strava is more about relative effort than anything else? I would be willing to bet that 99% of the non-ebike users on Strava have no KOM nor are they ever likely to, irrespective of whether or not the KOM is assisted or not.

    I'm 46 and would say that I might be in the top 25% (if I was being generous) of my age category. I have posted some good times on certain short segments that I know well and do regularly but only have one solitary uphill KOM (and that was a "lucky lights" one). Am I ever going to get another uphill KOM - unlikely, But it doesn't stop me pushing myself and trying to beat friends times and those names around me on leaderboards (you get to know their names after a while).

    Sure, if you are in the 1% who have a bagful of genuine KOMs to your name, you're going to feel annoyed when an eBike nicks one. Regulating rides and requiring users to flag ebikes rides as such is all very well, but it's missing one massive thing - the human factor. People will always submit ebike rides as non-assisted, whether deliberate, by accident or through lack of knowledge or incompetence.

    I personally don't believe it's realistically possible to solve the problem without Strava throwing a huge mount of money (that I'm sure they don't have) at an AI solution. Sure they could and should do better about removing flagged rides but otherwise I think we're stuck with it as it is.

    Just use it as a tool to improve your relative performance & fitness.

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  • As one other poster wrote, Machine Learning is the answer. Come on, Strava! :)

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  • I am sick of flagging MTB riders returning from our local forest in their car while still recording the “ride” on the drive home.The infestation of E Bikes has now I am afraid made Strava almost irrelevant, Garmin Connect does everything I need free.  I pay for Strava premium only to see a peloton beat a KOM or an E biker or simply someone going for a drive. Surely Strava can produce an “Elite “leaderboard that is linked to the use of HRM and power meter possibly cadence? On a solo effort. Then and only then will the results be relevant and Strava be worth paying for premium membership otherwise Garmin Connect does the same and more for free.

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  • I whole heatedly agree with the comments above and as a conventional xc racer and an enduro E-Bike rider I am always very careful to flag my assisted rides as E-Bike so there are no segment times recorded. Can I point out though I am much faster on the flat single track on my light carbon Epic than any E-Bike and will never beat my KOMs on a 25 KG battery assisted monster. It is limited to 15 miles per hour. But yes there is a problem here and cheating is cheating.

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  • You can type as E Bike and hide from leaderboards. All I care about is watts and heart rate compared to MY own when on my road bike. E Bike, I hope, will keep my buddies from kindly waiting on me so much and ruining their ride. So far, so good. Just like being close enough to talk to them now and then.

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  • Yet another problem Strava has... still feels like the app is on beta. I still haven’t had Garmin Connect syncing and still no fitness freshness graph in-app. As a summit member this e-bike dilemma should be solved by now as it’s quite major. I had hope after they added the trophy case in-app, but it really feels like Strava isn’t listening to the community, I still get notifications from threads I posted on last year... maybe it’s time to leave and stick with Garmin connect and Xert.

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  • Strava slowly loses ground and it's going cease to exist or it is simply intentional opportunism - waiting for e-bikes to dominate the market and then strava switches totally to ebikes soon?

    The guy today took his ebike and smashed every KOM in our local forest. Can you imagine clearing 18-19 uphill KOMS with one ride? You say 'Flag it'? It's ridiculous because in some cases his times are just 2 secs faster than semi pro mtb marathon guys and how can you report it? It's just 1 WATT more so it's ALL POSSIBLE to achieve without engine. I flagged some segments, but as they're in-range-of-human-propelled-bike, they were never cleared - and it's the same with running vs bike where strava just keeps fake results because they doesn't show any anomalies in W/kg asf.

    I know ebikes it's almost chess-mate situation, but these auto-responses from strava doesn't make any sense for sure. 

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  • If Strava wants to keep their standing, they simply need to classify e-bikes separately; If they can categorize by age and sex, why not gear? I'd actually like to compare myself to other 50+ yo ebike riders.

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