Designate between a "Group" and a "Solo" ride on Strava

This would allow Strava cyclists to tag a ride as a group ride or a solo ride, and also be able to sort segment leaderboards by those filters.

 

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  • 71km/h anywhere is almost certainly some dude who forgot to turn off his iPhone/Android Strava app before loading the bike into the car and driving home. Strava lets you flag those rides (look under "Actions" on the ride's page) and they'll remove them. I've had to do it about 3 times for absurd KOM's in my area.

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  • Only just came across this discussion - some of the views are so polarised it's like an election campaign!

    As far as I'm concerned - I use KOM for my own personal achievement tracking, and against other guys in the club who are roughly the same ability.

    When it comes to "group v. solo", I doubt there's a huge amount of difference in terms of drafting if you're climbing a steep hill. What really comes into it is motivation - that guy you're a few positions below on the leaderboard is right next to you - or a few metres in front of you - and you're determined to beat him. So your own personal effort comes into it - and at the point where you might normally give up, you keep pushing yourself harder.

    Where Strava (or individuals) have created segments that are mainly on the flat and go on for 20 minutes or more - I look at the results as merely interesting. I know that drafting will affect these massively. So I'm not bothered.

    Then there's the segments (again, either automatic or some idiot has created) that are so short as to be pointless - especially in built-up areas.  Around my area, there's so many segments that go down main roads, with traffic lights, busy traffic, include roundabouts.  They're pretty stupid - and some are plain dangerous (there used to be a nearby one called Elephant Death Sprint - included one of the most dangerous roundabouts in London - thankfully, it's been removed). However, I don't expect Strava to get rid of these - when I can be bothered, I just hide them.

    One thing that might be nice is for Strava to stop trying to estimate power on flat parts of a ride - or at least, don't include them in my personal stats.  Subject of another thread...

     

    Overall, though, I don't see any point in complicating segments. Leave it as it is.  You know as well as I do that only a small proportion of cyclists who have ridden a segment actually use Strava - so the KOM feature is mostly a bit of fun.  Then add into the mix the accuracy (especially elevation) of people who are using Garmins v. those using iPhone/Android - and the argument could run for years...

     

    If you're that fussed that someone has overtaken you on the leaderboard and you think it's unfair, get out on a ride with them and challenge them on the segment.

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  • Holy crap, what a bunch of whiners.  I can tell that there are like no racers on this thread.  Either that or a bunch of 4's.  Just get out there and ride your freaking bikes.  If you really want to track improvement, buy a freaking power meter.  If you want to go for a KOM on a segment frequented by groups, ride with the damn group!

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  • Uh from what I can tell on your results on USA Cycling you're a Cat 3.  I'm a 2.  In SoCal.  Which is like being a 1 anywhere else.  So don't talk to me about racing.  I can see your results all the way back to 2004, and it looks like your last road race or crit was in 2007.

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  • Okay... maybe we can put the penises back in the pants, now? It doesn't matter who has been racing longer or what category people are in. They're beside the point. To answer Juan's original point, about just getting out there and riding and tracking improvement through power metering, I gotta ask: Then what's the point of Strava? Why is it here?
    Its whole layout seems to be aimed at motivating people to strive (hence, its name, I imagine) harder through the prospect of improving their standing relative to other riders. It it's not motivational, then what is it?
    And if its intent is to be motivational, and then riders lose motivation because they view the top spots as being unattainable without hooking up with some fast group, then the site is falling short in what is supposed to be its primary goal.
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  • Bummer.   But still.  I doubt you've done more races than I have.  I've probably done 60-70 races in the last 3 years.  Since I started racing road in 2005, I've probably done 180-200 races.  I don't win often, but once in a while I pull one out, like my profile picture.  That's the crit at Valley of the Sun stage race in the 2's race this year.  That's a pretty big race in the Southwest.

    My point is that Strava is for fun and people take it too seriously and treat it like it's actual bike racing.

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  • Strava is supposed to be for fun.  Time on any segment is subjective.  The only accurate way to track fitness and progress is with a power meter.  I use Strava for fun, and I love it.  But to actually track my training I use Training Peaks' WKO+ software.  If someone loses motivation because someone is faster than them, well then they probably weren't very motivated to begin with and wouldn't have been near the top of any leaderboard.

     

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  • "Strava is supposed to be for fun...  I use Strava for fun, and I love it."

    Wow... so you just browse leaderboards that you're not on just for fun? And you don't look predominantly at leaderboards you're on and check to see how many seconds you are behind the next-placed person? And you don't upload new rides with a sense of anticipation about if you moved up the leaderboard? And you don't try a little harder when riding when you come across a stretch that you know is a segment... thinking that you might move up a few notches on the leaderboard? Oh... okay... if you don't do any of those things, then... yeah... I guess Strava is just a source of idle amusement for you. I'd venture to say that the majority of users don't feel that way. Most users use it as a source of motivation to try a little harder... sometimes to the point that it gets them killed.

    "The only accurate way to track fitness and progress is with a power meter... But to actually track my training I use Training Peaks' WKO+ software"

    As do I... but a lot of people can't afford powertaps and WKO. For some people, Strava is all they got. Besides, it's not all about how much you've progressed... it's also about how you stack up against others. I'll bet that Lance Armstrong hadn't improved much between (what used to be) his 6th and 7th TdF wins.

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  • Wow, this is a pretty polarizing issue!

    I can understand why people want it, but I can't see why some are so opposed.

    However, it appears that this will be an upcoming feature that will be added to Strava

    A couple of months back I had emailed Strava support regarding a ride that I had completed alone but that after it was uploaded, Strava said that I had ridden it with two other riders. Support said that this was some snafu in the system due to similar routes on the same day. They then stated that it will be corrected in the future as Strava was adding a "Group or Solo" ride designation feature. Take that for what it's worth, but if their support personnel felt compelled to mention it, then it's in the works.

     

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  • Part of Strava is for fun - and part is good for analysing rides.  But guys - this whole KOM thing is one of the things that can only ever be "fun", and motivational.

    If you're going to add "group or solo", then you'd have to make this a mandatory choice when uploading - no defaults, you've got to be honest every time. No cheating.

    At the same time, you'd better make a link to the Met Office, so that Strava can check the wind direction at the time - or are you going to be honest whether you had a tailwind or a headwind?

    As I said before... if you're climbing a steep hill, drafting isn't much of an issue - chasing someone else in the group is the major motivation.  If you've created some massive segment that takes in 20km of rolling countryside - then solo/group will affect it big time, as well as wind speed and direction.  I'd suggest that those sort of segments are purely for fun, because they're not mountains.

    If you're that desperate about your place on the leaderboard, find the guy (or gal) that's just beaten you, and go out for a ride with them.  You'll get some good training, good conversation, and good competition on that segment. And the results will be accurate.

    Me? The serious use is to track my OWN progress.  Where I sit next to others is the fun bit - and I know that a few seconds either way on different rides means nothing. Only if you've been on the same ride.

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  • "If you're going to add "group or solo", then you'd have to make this a mandatory choice when uploading - no defaults, you've got to be honest every time."

    Nope. We've been over this. Make the "extra" leadboard the solo one, and people's efforts only go to that board if they mark their ride as solo. Otherwise, you're on the default leaderboard. The group riders won't be bothered by this because they'll be on the default one and, if there are some solo riders who just leave themselves on the default board, then that's just more riders below them on the board. In fact, what Strava could do is not even maintain a separate leaderboard, but just treat the specifically-marked-as-solo efforts by themselves for the purposes of achievements. For example, they already do this with women. The 2nd-fastest woman on a segment might be 30th, overall, but she gets a "#2" trophy on her dashboard. You could do the same thing with solo riders. The advantage of this is that, if a solo rider still beats the times of all of the groupers, they'd still sit atop the group leaderboard.

    "At the same time, you'd better make a link to the Met Office, so that Strava can check the wind direction at the time"

    We've been over this, too. The argument is basically one of "We shouldn't bother accounting for factors which we can control, since there are other factors we cannot", and it's a really tired argument. If the argument held up, then why does Strava account for hill incline/decline for run activities when it shows you the grade-adjusted-pace? Why don't they just say "Gosh, it coulda been been windy when you were running, so what's the point of even figuring in the fact that you were running uphill?". The fact that there are other, tough-to-determine and tough-to-account-for factors does not mean that we should just shrug our shoulders and not bother to account for the ones which are relatively easy to determine and account for.

    "if you're climbing a steep hill, drafting isn't much of an issue"

    It's been said several times on this thread that the solo-leaderboard idea is primarily for flat segments.

    "If you're that desperate about your place on the leaderboard, find the guy (or gal) that's just beaten you, and go out for a ride with them."

    Strava makes it fairly difficult to establish contact with other riders. I've written a tool which finds other people who often ride the same segments as I do and who have similar places on the leaderboard. But the only way to contact them and say "Hey, we should go ride together" is by making a comment on one of their rides... which they're likely to miss. The alternative is to construct a profile of when/where they typically ride and then memorize their profile picture and then go out on one of the segments and wait for them to ride by and say "I know this seems like I'm stalking you, and this comes off as super-creepy but...". You can imagine how well that will go over.

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  • @Joe

    Your arguments about separate leaderboards really doesn't hold water - it's still down to honesty.  It's fair enough to have a separate leaderboard for women (as, we hope, people are honest about which sex they are). It's fair enough to have a leaderboard for a club (as again, people know whether you're a member or not).  But a separate leaderboard for whether you choose to mark your own ride as a solo or group?

     

    I think people are trying to use the King of the MOUNTAIN feature for something it's not meant to be. If I look at the time I did on a flat segment, then *there is no point* in comparing it to other people doing that ride on a different day - because I don't know what wind conditions there were.  I appreciate that riding in a group will result in much faster times -but riding solo with a 30k tailwind will make a bigger difference.  And if I'm in a group, what about the amount of time I spent at the front (as someone has already pointed out)?

    You just can't say "if someone is at the top of the solo board, then they're the fastest overall" - because you don't know what the wind conditions were.  It would be completely unfair to award someone a KOM on a flat segment, when you don't know the conditions.

    This isn't a case of "shrug your shoulders". Unknown wind conditions make comparing rides on flat segments on different days utterly pointless. Seriously - if you think there's value in this, then perhaps it's time to organise Time Trials where competitors can choose the day they want to do it.

     

    Yes - there have been several posts on here that point out that people want this feature for flat segments.  They're missing the point that (most of the time) Strava doesn't make the mistake of automatically creating segments for flat sections. The mistakes seem to have been where (on a flat road) someone's Garmin goes a bit wrong and indicates a small climb.

    I appreciate that people who live in flat areas of the country can't have real KOM, because there aren't hills.  But again, I just can't accept that there's any point in comparing rides (be they solo or group) over flat segments. What's the point? Don't you know how fast you can cycle on the flat?  I'd suggest that people find a good stretch of road without traffic lights and junctions, on a day without wind, and see how fast they can cycle. Job done.

    I do, however, completely agree with you about getting in touch with people on Strava.  I'm off to see if there's a thread about this - but I would dearly like to have a way to contact someone, without having to leave a public comment. It would make it much easier to get in touch - especially if you're going somewhere on holiday.  And - as you suggest - trying to recognise someone from their picture is pretty impossible when it's a cartoon picture...

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  • "Your arguments about separate leaderboards really doesn't hold water - it's still down to honesty.  It's fair enough to have a separate leaderboard for women (as, we hope, people are honest about which sex they are). It's fair enough to have a leaderboard for a club (as again, people know whether you're a member or not).  But a separate leaderboard for whether you choose to mark your own ride as a solo or group?"

    So, you're contending that people who are honest about whether they're in or not in a club will be dishonest about whether they're in or not in a group on a given ride? I don't buy it. I think they're either going to be honest, across-the-board, or not so... and the fact that Strava allows people to indicate their sex and allows for a QOM means that we've decided to, overall, trust them to provide honest information. I don't see any compelling reason why someone would be honest about their sex, yet deliberately lie about being solo.

    "If I look at the time I did on a flat segment, then *there is no point* in comparing it to other people doing that ride on a different day"

    Then why do we keep track of world records? For anything? The conditions for the longest long-jump or the highest pole-vault are certainly different from the ones in which people try to beat them. I'm not saying that they don't have an effect. I'm saying that it's very difficult to account for them (by how much should we adjust a record long-jump attained in the thinner air of Mexico City? How much should we adjust a KOM attained when the winds were a crossing-tailwind of 15mph, gusting to 25mph?).

    It's also difficult to adjust for group riding, just as it's difficult to adjust for male-vs-female. So, instead of adjust for being female, we just treat them as a separate category, since doing so still provides us with a robust population of competitors in both groups. We can do the same for group-vs-solo and we'll still be left with a large population of efforts. However, we cannot do the same with weather conditions, as we'd end up with separate leaderboards for countless different wind/temperature conditions.

    "It would be completely unfair to award someone a KOM on a flat segment, when you don't know the conditions."

    Okay... so, for the record, are you advocating abolishing all flat and downhill segments?

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  • @Joe - I really think your'e missing the point.

    I contend that showing a leaderboard for male/female - or a weight group, age group or club - is a simple statement of fact.  You are either male or female. You are of a particular age. You are a member of certain clubs. These are given facts, regardless of where you ride, or what conditions you ride under.  They do not rely on the member ticking a box as they upload a ride - they remain constant for an individual.

    You have started comparing world records to a Strava flat/downhill segment. Why? A record for a runner is only valid if the wind speed is within a certain tolerance. A record for a swim is always for particular distances.  True - certain venues are "faster" (like the London Olympic Velodrome has been designed to be as fast as possible).  But a marathon run.. you'd have a record for the London Marathon, or New York Marathon - but you would not compare the two, as the terrain is very different.

    Just like a long flat segment on Strava is (or can be) very different on different days.

    For the record - I do not advocate abolishing all flat and downhill segments (that individuals have created for whatever reason) - simply that wind conditions make as much *or more* difference to whether you've ridden solo or group - so that creating separate leaderboards for solo flat/downhill segments is, at the very least, misleading.

    For the record - I take no notice of my position on flat/downhill segments - as I know they cannot be accurate.

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  • "You are either male or female. You are of a particular age. You are a member of certain clubs. These are given facts, regardless of where you ride, or what conditions you ride under.  They do not rely on the member ticking a box as they upload a ride - they remain constant for an individual."

    Well, whether you were in a group or not is also a fact, but I get your point that it's a one-time action required of the user, whereas solo-vs-group is something which needs to be specified every time. However, I contend that this is a non-issue for two reasons:

    1. People already enter detailed information for rides on an individual basis. They give their rides names, specify the bike they used, and Strava lets them add notes about the ride as well. How often do people undergo this daunting process of entering specific information for every. single. ride? Well, I just looked at the rides for the top-5 people on 3 local segments. Of the 15 rides, 13 had clever names and only 2 had the default "Oct 12, 2011 Poughkeepsie, NY"-type names. So, people are already taking the time to make sure that their individual ride data has meaningful information.
    2. Nobody is hurt if they neglect to do so. If someone rides solo and they don't give a crap about the leaderboard and they don't mark their ride as solo, then they're measured against the other group riders. The group riders don't care, because the solo guy, almost certainly, isn't going to best them. The individual rider doesn't care because... well, he doesn't care (or he'd mark his ride as solo). And the other solo riders don't care because that's one less person to compete with. The reason this works is because the point is to keep the riders with a disadvantage (the solo's) from being compared to the ones with an advantage (the group riders). If the advantaged ones have to compete against the disadvantaged ones, they don't mind because... they have an advantage. This is exactly what Strava does with men and women, by the way. The "men's" leaderboard is actually the leaderboard of everybody (men and women), but they women's leaderboard is just women. Yet, none of the men complain about having to compete against the women, too. There are other examples, like how nobody really minds if an amputee competes in the "real" olympics, but people would be freaking out if a fully-capable athlete entered the paralympics. The disadvantaged people trying to have a go at the advantaged ones doesn't bother anybody, so a solo rider leaving his ride marked as the default (of "group") is a non-issue.

    "You have started comparing world records to a Strava flat/downhill segment. Why?"

    Because your position seems to be that an athletic feat has no meaning outside of the particular context (meteorological and otherwise) in which it was performed. If that's true, then there's no point in keeping track of who has the longest long-jump because that guy might have had a slight tailwind... or the air might have been thinner, or there might have been a higher percentage of oxygen there.. at that moment. So, we should keep track of the "world record for long-jump at 7,320' of elevation, with a 2mph tailwind in 82F heat", and so on.

    But, alas, I'd argue that the vast majority of the world disagrees with you, on that point. There's just one long-jump record. Granted, it might take a superior athlete a few tries, in different conditions, to finally break the record but, eventually, if he really is better, he'll do it. Likewise, there's a flat segment near my house. There's almost always a tailwind. Sometimes it's 5mph, sometimes it's 15-20mph. It would be extremely tough for a dude to get the KOM in 5mph. But, every now and then, when the winds are good, someone will have a go at it. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not, but he only has to pull it off once.

    "For the record - I do not advocate abolishing all flat and downhill segments (that individuals have created for whatever reason) - simply that wind conditions make as much *or more* difference to whether you've ridden solo or group"

    Granted, but those wind conditions are available to everybody, equally, whereas some people don't have groups (or fast ones, anyway) to ride with... or they might not really like riding in groups.

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  • Well,I think you've answered your own question here.

    Cycling isn't a long jump.

    And, if you're so worried that you're being compared to people riding in groups - then it's open to you to ride the segment in a group.

    As someone else posted much earlier in this discussion: there's a segment leaderboard. If someone has ridden it faster than you, then they're faster than you.  Simple.  Just like if someone's got the world record in long-jump. They've jumped further. Regardless of the conditions.

    Take your own advice; just as everyone in the world agrees that there's ONE world record for long-jump, then there's ONE leaderboard for a segment.

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  • George you might be right about the one fastest time but you also must agree that the Race of Truth, i.e., the Individual Time Trial, is the ultimate test.

    What is being proposed is an OPTION. Nobody is going to be affected on the general leaderboard unless you, sitting at your own computer, filter out all those people who didn't tag the ride as an ITT.  It's like filtering by weight or age. If you don't want to apply the filter, then don't.

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  • My point is the winner of a Time Trial is the person who wins it on the day, against people who race it the same day.

    Heh, there's people on this thread who think that solo/group on a segment is pointless - and people who think it would be really useful.  At the moment, seems like Strava doesn't plan to put this in place.  Simples :)

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  • "Cycling isn't a long jump"

    Huh? I don't get the point. Cycling and long-jump are both competitive things, where different (sometimes individual) athletes are measured against one another, sometimes comparing efforts from differing external conditions. Now, regarding your point about there being ONE world-record, there isn't. There's one for men and there's one for women because women are at a disadvantage as far as body size, testosterone levels, etc. We can discriminate between these two groups (which is to say that we can track record-setting efforts for them separately) because doing so doesn't split the efforts into so many groups that it becomes pointless to compare them (like it would be if we had a world-record for 7,300' elevation and 85F heat with no headwind).

    I think it's just as reasonable to do so for group-vs-solo. In fact, any argument you want to make for why solo riders should have to compete against the groups, try substituting in "female athletes" for "solo riders" and "male athletes" for "group riders" and see how silly the argument sounds. Take, for example, the argument (put forward by a few people here) that says "Hey, if you want to be the fastest, then just go train your ass off and get faster than everybody else.". Imagine saying that to a woman competing against men. The fact is, if she trains really hard, she'll get faster than a lot of men, but she'll never beat the men who are training just as hard as she is. Likewise, no amount of training will allow a solo rider to put in as good of a time on flat segments as a top-tier rider in a pack of other top-tier riders.

    "And, if you're so worried that you're being compared to people riding in groups - then it's open to you to ride the segment in a group."

    Two problems with that. First, I might not have any groups to ride with (I might be a surly asshole who pisses everybody off. I know, I know.. it's far-fetched, but conceivable, nonetheless...   and should my place on the leaderboard be dependent upon the category of riding buddies I'm able to attract?). Second, if I ride with a group and I move up the leaderboard, does that mean that I got faster or that the group I'm leeching off of for drafting got faster?

    When I was riding, the other day, it dawned on my what Strava's raison d'etre is. Other sites let you upload your rides and see how long it took and all of that. Strava's big innovation was putting everybody up on a leaderboard where they could see how they stand against each other. Because of that, the most-significant benefit Strava has on the world is that it gets people to train harder than they normally would (and the world is a fitter place because of it). I know I hammer a lot of segments that I'd, otherwise just cruise on. The way Strava is able to achieve this is it preys upon our sense of vanity, narcissism, and pride; we all want to be the dude at the top of the list. But, when they start to perceive that hard work, alone, isn't going to get them there, then they start to want to just take their ball and go home (not unlike politics in the U.S., with one side thinking that most people are lazy slackers, and the other side saying that it's because they can't see a credible path via which hard work yields prosperity, so why bother?). Rewards only encourage effort when people believe that the effort will yield the reward.

    "At the moment, seems like Strava doesn't plan to put this in place."

    Well, Strava also thought downhill segments would be a good idea... something I'm sure their lawyers are now asking them to reconsider. But there are reports that Strava is planning on letting people manually override the "Ridden with X others..." on ride pages. From there, it's not a big step to adding a dropdown box on leaderboards (next to the one that lets you select men, women, or men-and-women).

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  • I actually like the idea of letting people mark rides as "Individual Time Trial". It is another piece of data to help someone track their own achievements better. It may not require a separate leaderboard for public recognition either - this data could simply be displayed in the current rankings (which could include up to two entries for each person, one group ride and one solo). I do think it would give users a good comparison of their own individual vs. group efforts against themselves and others. As a premium member, I can see all of my previous rides for a given segment and it would also be nice to easily differentiate between solo vs. group for my own progress tracking. Just throwing out that thought.
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  • Billy, that's a brilliant idea.

    That would make it quite clear on my own personal results table what I've been doing (and I know what conditions I was riding in), without trying to compare it to other people and unknown conditions.

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  • I see many good points on both sides of the argument.

    Strava will dial in on what the best way is to approach this...

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  • By way of update...

    back in August I sidelined this thread a bit to discuss the idea of a regional points system and we had some discussion around that.  I got pretty excited about the idea and decided to put it together on my own to see how it would look.  It's far from perfect, especially since it is built outside Strava - but it is a great proof of concept and you might find it fun for your town - www.strabbaranks.com  

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  • I read about the first 100 comments and then I got bored. From my discussion with local riders, many of us would like to see the ability to distinguish between group and individual rides. Even if it were a voluntary tag that was subject to cheating, hubris, or bad manners. Don't take away KOMs from group rides, but allow individual ones. As others have pointed out, the precedent is there with women/men. It's not that earth-shattering that it deserves all this discussion. It's a feature request that a lot of people would love to see. For those who don't want it, as long as it didn't take away your KOM, why are you so opposed to individuals having a KOM? Do you also object to women having theirs?

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  • Downhill KOM's are my favorite.
    Maybe the ability to sort your own segment results by individual vs. group ride would be useful for some so a very low priority enhancement deferred indefinitely. The rest of this is nonsense. Headwinds and tailwinds affect almost any segment uphill or on flat ground. Group vs. individual ride tells you nothing about the power output. If you want your precise power figures, you can't rely on the time covered in the segment, period. You need to buy a power meter if you want to know your exact performance metrics. Here's to using Strava to motivate oneself and one's friends to get out there and ride and best your own efforts from time to time, and leave the petty competition against others to someone else.

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  • The power comment intrigues me.

    Would it be possible to have Power segments/KOM's?

    You could use Watt/Kg's to balance it out. I'm no expert but it seems to me the power KOM's would be a very interesting thing to track. Wind/Group ride/Moto pacing wouldn't mean much to the power meter


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  • Daniel Banks thus quoth: "Here's to using Strava to motivate oneself and one's friends to get out there and ride and best your own efforts from time to time, and leave the petty competition against others to someone else."

    So, just for the record, then, this means you're advocating that Strava do away, entirely, with multi-rider leaderboards and KOMs? And that the only "leaderboards" we should see are the ones with all of our own personal times on them, so we can see how our efforts on segments match up to our PRs?

    If so, how do you justify the fact that, even competing against our own previous efforts, we're not taking into account headwinds/tailwinds? So, that can't be a 100%-fair comparison, either. So, maybe that should be tossed, as well. Which, then, leaves Strava as being the Italian word for "MapMyRide".

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  • Someone just wants to argue or misunderstood me. Is it interesting to see how you stack up? Sure.  But let's not take this too seriously and ask to sub-divide the data every which way without a coherent understanding of what that would entail and how impossible it would be to genuinely make everything equivalent for results. If you want to do that, go use Veloviewer.com or something similar to further parse the data or use a power meter. Strava isn't racing. To each his own as far as how you want to use Strava, what you want to focus on, just like Facebook or any other social media. There is some popular backlash that Strava is just some petty way to pretend to be a fabulous bike racer. Is it virtual racing, sure, in a way it sometimes is, for some. I like to just track my rides, be mindful to stay motivated and get out there, keep up with my friends' riding in general including those who live some distance away, and explore areas where others popularly choose to ride when I'm visiting other cities. The point is, there are so many ways to use it, each has their own preference.  

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  • Daniel, I reckon you've pretty much summed it up - although I hope you're joking about the downhill segments (which got Strava into trouble).

    For me - I reckon Strava does one hell of a lot of analysis already (OK, with the proviso that you're not using it for free).

    Quite rightly (in my opinion) Strava is pushing a fair amount of development into the features that come with paid-for membership.

    As far as this solo v. group thing, I really did think we'd done that to death weeks/months ago.

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  • Hi All - just a reminder that this is a friendly, informal forum to discuss cool ideas for new Strava features. None of the forums topics here are currently planned or have any guarantee of existing on the site in the future. We love hearing your feedback, no matter what you think about some of these ideas. Thanks!

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