Routes

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  • Well, this post has now been left pending (so effectively deleted) twice. Here goes attempt #3.

    Even to my white/male/cis eyes, the Routes Heatmap stands out as a particularly glaring perpetuation of systemic racism. The Routes Heatmap codifies the routes run or biked by past and current members as the primary places worth going. Looking at a map of my home city, Boston, what I see is a glaring absence of running or cycling routes in communities of color (see image below). If I lived in much of Roxbury, Mattapan, Dorchester, or East Somerville, the Routes Heatmap map would clearly signal to me that I was not welcome in the Strava athlete community. It also signals to those of us who live elsewhere that those communities are not places worth going.

    One way to begin to address the problem could be to normalize the heatmap by local user density. If Strava has relatively fewer users in a given neighborhood, but they all choose a certain route, this route should show up prominently. This is already done when you zoom in, but at a city scale, biases in the user base stand out prominently and could turn away potential users. 

    Background on previous attempts to post this message: In early June, I got Strava's "We must do better, and we will" email about racism and found it to ring rather hollow. I attempted to post this message to the discussion board but it was never published. After the "Strava Metro" email recently which suggests that Strava data will be used by urban planners to make decisions about developing bike lanes, paths, etc -- it seems just as pressing to draw attention to the systemic racism embedded in Strava's data. So I tried to post this again and it was left pending, then the forum shift deleted all existing posts :/

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  • Does anyone know if there is a way of showing all my previous 'Activities' on the live map screen? Similar to 'Routes' but instead it displays my existing rides. I want to do this because I'd like to explore areas I've never been to before. 

    Maybe if 'Routes' had the freedom to highlight blocked-out sections of the map (rather than stick to the existing roads) I could do this before I set out for a ride, then see what areas I need to cover?

     

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  • Tony Iorfino Thanks for this tip.

    Yes I saw this but I'm looking for something that displays it whilst on a live map screen (Similar to what 'Routes' does). 

    Whilst on the subject I use a 3rd party website to display previous routes which I find more clearer. Check it out, I think it's great: http://www.jonathanokeeffe.com/strava/map.php

    Tim

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  • As Enduro MTB rider, I would filter route by IMBA MTB average/max level to choose the good run depending of my daily goal.

    Those informations are include in MapBox, and update by OSM contributors like me.

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  • Sven, thank you for the response. This is very helpful. How about the first item on the list? Is there a way to load a route when cycling and be able to see the kilometers remaining and the elevation profile?

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  • Is it correct that only the last year or so of data is synced into the personal heatmaps feature of the route builder?

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  • Is there no way to navigate to the starting point using whatever phone navigation's available?

    It seems it should be quite easy to get the starting point location and open it for car navigation?

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  • Tijl T. your entire athletic history of public activities should show on the Personal Heatmap layer on the Web Routebuilder. If this not the case, please submit a support ticket!

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  • Feature request: exclude or grey out route section where activity was paused

    Sometimes we start a ride (can apply to other activities too) and continue to point A, have the ride paused, jump on a train to point B and continue the ride from there. Sometimes we might have more than 1 train ride during the workout. However currently Strava algorithm connects all the GPS point even when the ride was on pause between point A and B. Show below in that super straight line. 

    That straight line is a train ride in which recording was paused. I recorded my ride using a head unit (Wahoo in this case) and the route is shows correctly in the head unit's app as shown below. And is then exported to Strava.

    The exact same has happened to my friend. Even though he uses Strava itself to record the ride on his mobile phone. So the same algorithm applies regardless of the source.

    It would be great and useful if Strava can either grey out the section that was not recorded (no data collected between points A and B), or exclude from the map similar to the output shown in the head unit route. Having that section shown in the route map causes confusion for follower to see the actual  distance traveled in a given ride.

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  • yoku ha - subscribers are currently able to customize the coloring of their activity maps (at least those shown in the main feed and on the activity screen) by using hashtags! For more information see https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/360049869011-Custom-Activity-Lines-statmaps.

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  • Request - I think it’s very important to be able to avoid certain types of road. Eg - Bypass, A roads (which here in the uk can be very busy and dangerous)
    Thanks

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  • This is feedback related to Heatmaps. (This is the closest post I could find to post this feedback in, since there is no post for Heatmaps)

    Please make the Heatmaps UI more mobile friendly (or even better, embed it into the mobile app!). Right now the sidebar and header takes up 2/3 of the screen real estate which makes it unusable on mobile, especially compared to the previous version of heatmaps (see example below).

    Secondly, it would be great if there were a way to share a heatmap with others. In the previous version of heatmaps, I could generate a heat map and the resulting URL would work for anyone I shared it with. I have other friends with similar "Run Every Road" hobbies, and we like to share heatmaps with one another to encourage each other.

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  • Feature Creation:

    If you were to add a tire dimension to the bikes that we ride, it would make route selection easier. Using Python you can science that data, the wheel width, to find out what tires are best for what trails. This way as a cyclist who rides road, gravel, and MTB, or any mix of that, you can choose your routes accordingly. This data can be backwards functional by adding this data to the bike, applying it to all the old rides, and then bringing it forward to describe the new trails. From that point, you can also tell which of my bikes is on, rather than having to select it every time. 

    You can also use this to show the difference between downhill MTB and XC or Enduro. Which allows you to tune the fitness metrics more accurately. 

    You can also use this data to look for aberrations of routes for construction and the like. Things like construction that shows up, and how people get around that. The route suggestions can auto update using this sort of data science and machine learning. The MTB DH vs XC/Enduro will also help with the backcountry ski/snowboard vs lift access ski and snowboard. We want to know how long it takes to ascend, and unless you make a segment you can't do that. It's just a change of how you use the data.

    On road bikes or other long rides, you can also find common stopping places with the data provided. These tend to be feeding stations, which are necessary when you're out for over three or four hours. You could also call common start and finish points for certain routes from this data as well. 

    All of this will make the overall experience better for all cyclists, as well as backcountry ski/snowboarders. Especially if you made some of it a paid feature. The best part of it is when you travel to new places, your route finding gets a lot better. Much less stressful and no more hoping you're choosing the right kinds of routes for the bike you brought with you. 

    I'd love to code this. If you gave me access to my own data, I could build POC with it. Especially if my girlfriend could get access to hers, since she has ridden a lot more strava miles than I have, on a greater number of bikes and in more locations. 

    This could be a huge paid feature and earn a lot of subscriptions for the company. And if you let me do it for a stipend, it doesn't move people on your dev team to a new project. They would just have to implement it system wide.

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  • Vaughan Hunt thanks for letting us know. The issue with seeing Routes in your non-preferred units should now be fixed!

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  • Hey Strava, this is an easy one!

    Today a friend shared a route he developed in Route Builder. When I view the route on my laptop, I would like to select Global Heatmap as the background (in addition to Standard and Satellite). This will help me evaluate the route.

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  • An improved estimated moving time for routes would be nice. As is, with both mountain and road bike ride speeds counted exactly the same, the timing is completely inaccurate. Factoring in elevation is critical as well. The current algorithm will say a 10 mile flat ride will take the same time as a 10 mile HC climb. While it is supposed to be just an estimate, a bit more detail and accuracy than this would be good.

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  • Hi Strava! I want a better way to organise my routes. It will allow me to do more easily find existing routes amongst the huge number I create. The reason that is important is because it takes a stupid amount of scrolling and clicking through pages to find specific routes. An example of when I needed that was pretty much every time I use the routes feature (regularly). Could we have folders? User-created hashtags? Honestly anything would be a good start because the current route feature is entirely lacking any kind of reasonable organisation aside from separating bike and run.

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  • @Parker M., you can add Waypoints, but you can't just do it by clicking, you must click and drag a little on the map, otherwise, as you say, it adds an updated end point.

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  • I'm new-ish to my area and have been trying to use suggested routes with a new gps watch (Coros Apex), so I have to download a gpx file. However, I have not been able to download the gpx from mobile, the iphone app or my browser. Is the only way to do this to download from my pc, then email it to myself so I can open it with the Coros app? That can't be right in 2021, can it? If anyone has any tips I'd appreciate them.  

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  • I'm using a Suunto watch and the route synchronization is done via a Suunto Android/iOS app. The Suunto app allows creation of a new route by importing a GPX file.

    Feature Request: I want to be able to download a route in GPX format in the Strava Android app. The reason that is important is because at least by now that would be the only way to "transfer" a route created in the Strava Adnroid app to a Suunto watch when I don't have access to the Desktop version of the Strava Portal.

    I would use the Strava route planner much more intensively if an easy integration towards Suunto app was there. Beside my use case I think the a "Download route as GPX" feature in the Strava Android app would by useful for plenty of the Strava users.

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  • A road vs trail filter would be nice for bike riders. I’m surrounded by crappy trails (Washington DC). I don’t want to ride on trails as they’re full of kids, strollers, and weekend riders…but they are paved. The routes keep directing me onto these due to heat maps. Without a road option I won’t be using the maps.

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  • I want the ability to discover routes with the same fidelity as ridewithgps (which I use regularly) so that I can discover and employ new rides and runs. The features of ridewithgps are great, so just start there.

    Segments, while interesting, are far less important to me. I admit to have never found any value in searching for segments. Now, show me a great route and I'm there. Why? Because a great route will include many segments. 

    Routes are the priority -- segments only come later (much later).

     

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  • "Find a route" functionality on the Desktop version (I am UK based if that makes a difference) - under "Maps" and then you can search through routes that others have uploaded. 

    I use this functionality a lot on my mobile version but I generally prefer to plan my routes on a desktop/laptop so I can zoom in and see it properly - this is important especially if you are planning routes and need to make adjustments 

    At the moment I cannot see this functionality on the desktop and only works for the mobile app version

     

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  • I would love to see new tzype of Activity I am missing: Footbike (aka Scooter?). I always have to report my trainings as "Running" and it is confusing both for me and my friends, as I do regular running too but speeds and distances differ quite a between those activities.

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  • Add more context to your route

    I want the ability to add interesting points along a created route. It will allow me to plan and check upfront (like climbs from climb pro) what is waiting and how long until the next water stop. 

    This feature was included in Garmin Training Center, it was called "course point tool" where you could add icons and change the description of that text. In a first phase, just adding icons would be helpful. Or visualize starred segments (start and finish) on your route.

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  • Lots of emails about improvements, improvements for creating routes. But after complaining for years that ferrys are not implemented while other programs have no problems with ferrys I get a little sick about Strava.

    I should say implement ferrys or skip creating routes.

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  • A small and easy-to-fix, yet annoying bug.

    When a route created not from scratch, but via a "duplicate" functionality ("clone an older route"), or from an activity ("create route" button on activitie's map), the new route inherits creation date from the old route or activity.

    Here's is an example case where it is a problem:
    * I open an activity from last year, because I want to make a similar route. I create a route from it, make adjustments, save. That new route has the same creation date as the one I cloned from (so last year).
    * I open my wahoo element roam app, sort routes by creation date and do not see it on the top (because Strava made it "old")

    It's not easy for me to quickly find the route, I'm not even sure it synced properly to the device. I have to search alphabetically, which is inconvenient and sometimes hard ("how did I named this route?").

    If you simply used current date for each newly created route, this problem would be solved. 2 minutes to make the fix + 2 days for code review, tests and deployment ;-)

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  • Hi Mateusz Mucha,

    Thank you for bringing this to our attention and sorry to hear the Created on date is incorrect. We were able to reproduce this condition and have made our team aware of this issue.

    Unfortunately, I do not have a resolution timeframe for you, but please know our engineering team will work on a resolution.

    Cheers,
    Skippy
    Strava Support Team

     

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  • Create route preferring paved roads in mobile app

    Many of us want to create a new route on the fly when out cycling but have a road bike which cannot go on dirt (gravel).  The current mobile app routes through dirt tracks when using the manual Create Route feature so is unusable.

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  • Include single trail difficulty to map

    Please add a map with single trail difficulty (OSM mtb:scale and mtb:scale:uphill). Just today, I had to carry my MTB up an S4 uphill trail (S2 down), because the global heat map suggested routing along that trail would be a good idea. This is not only important information for mountain biking, but for gravel biking as well.

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