Segment Leaderboards

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  • Michał K. -indeed, Tom Benzaia is correct. Segment Leaderboard updates are still delayed. You can always check the status on https://status.strava.com/ and even get notified about updates. Apologies for the inconvenience.

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  • I would like to be able to toggle leaderboards for my youth cycle club's age brackets, under 5, 5-7, 7-9. 9-11, 11-13, 13-15, 15-17, 17-19. This is not available and they all get thrown in with the under 19s, which hardly seems fair. Can we have more age groups, please?

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  • I would like to suggest a "Lantern Rouge" achievement for segments. This would be similar to the Gold/PR, Silver, and Bronze achievements, but instead it would indicate the user's slowest time recorded on the given segment. This achievement would only become active once a user records times for a given segment at least 4 times. 

    This is meant to be a light-hearted, fun feature given in the same spirit as the Lantern Rouge award in the Tour de France. However since this could also be embarrassing or de-motivating, it would be private (visible only to the user and perhaps to the user's followers), and it could be turned on or off at any time.

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  • Hey @Jim 🚒 (⚙️Mag7)

    Thanks for your comment regarding age brackets. As per our Terms of Service, we do not allow Strava accounts for children under the age of 13. You can read them here: https://www.strava.com/legal/terms

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  • I want to be able to filter segment leaderboards to see only records with power data. 
    I've found that this is a simple way to filter out unrealistic/fake/wrong records and keep track of how I'm performing against higher quality data. 

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  • @Soren, without wanting to be pedantic, in Strava terms it states "The Services are intended solely for persons who are 13 years old or such higher age required in your country to use the Services."
    Intention and requirement are quite different things.
    How about having age brackets for under 14, under 16, and under 18, if you don't want to promote the platform's use to under 13s?
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  • I am new to Strava so perhaps I don't understand the function of the leaderboards. There is a local segment where the first two and half pages of times look like the following, obviously done in a group. Having group results mixed up with individual results makes them rather meaningless. Is there a way to filter out group results? 

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  • @Richard S. There is no way to filter out group rides and likely that such an idea would never work, remember not everyone uses Strava so if you are the only Strava user in a group how can you eliminate that? Just embrace it and accept that the segment is held by a group it's all part of the fun.

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  • Steve Tucker

    I'm not necessarily taking sides, but I think there is an important distinction to make here.

    It may not be the fact that groups have an aerodynamic advantage that Richard is objecting to.

    It may instead be the fact that the leaderboards are filled with large numbers of (near) identical times.

    He may be perfectly happy with the scenario where only one member of the group is recording. It's one thing if a pro comes by and takes the KOM, but if a large group wipes out the entire top 10 and beyond, then it effectively makes the segment pointless for local competition.

    What I would quite like to see is a feature between pure leaderboards and "local legends". Something that rewards people who ride the segment regularly but is still based on performance. For example you could have a leaderboard based on each riders 3rd best time. This would exclude freak events like a Pro Peloton going past or an unusually windy day and instead reward riders who can consistently record good times.

    Also it might be nice if Strava gave more credit for Top 10 results this year. Perhaps a rolling 365 day period might be better to avoid everyone getting KOMs on New Years Day!

    The thing is eventually all segments will be full of amazing times, this will make trophies and KOMs practically unobtainable, this is one of Strava's key selling features. Strava needs to plan ahead and make sure athletes always have reasonable targets and a sense of reward for performing well against their peers.

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  • There is no separate thread for segments in general, so I am going to use this thread for a feedback regarding syncing Strava segments to external devices (in particular Garmin Fenix watch).

    I know this topic has been brought before, but I wanted to bring it up once again. I find it completely arbitrary that Strava doesn't sync downhill **running** segments to my watch, and here are three reasons for that.

    First of all, if Strava wants to prevent people from racing downhill, the existing restriction doesn't even work. I have plenty of long segments that include both uphill and downhill parts, and they still sync to my device as long as the net grade isn't negative. For example, there is a popular segment that climbs a local mountain at 20% grade then goes back to start on 20%. According to Strava that is a 0% segment, so that is fine. But going along a mellow creek, dropping 15 feet of elevation in a mile, which is less than 2 floors, is apparently unsafe. That seems completely arbitrary. Then there is local hill where I live with a trail that goes across it one side to another. Crossing this hill in one direction is safe according to Strava, but crossing it in another direction is not. It is 0.5% net grade in one direction and -0.5% net grade in another even though the actual grades reach 10% in both directions. That is completely arbitrary too.

    Second, running is completely different. It is not like someone could accelerate to unsafe speeds even when they are running downhill. My area is hilly in general with a lot of rolling hills. Half of all running segments can't be synced.

    Third, Strava promotes downhill segments on it's new mobile segment explorer. But if I star them, what I am going to do? I don't run with my phone, so the experience is completely broken for me as those segments don't ever pop up on my Fenix.

    Is there any chance Strava reconsiders this decision for runners and especially trail runners?

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  • I don't have the time to read all the comments so forgive me if this has been discussed before. I'm pleased to see they are now a sub group for E bikes in terms of KOM's, etc. However there's quite a difference in the equipment that doesn't make the segment performance is equal. The majority of us are running either Class-1 (pedal-assist only up tp 20mph) or Class-3 (pedal assist only up to 28mph). There are some who basically look like they are running a full blown motor cycle with pedal assist (e.g. the current KOM on my usual commute home...se enclosed image). I don't know if there's any workable way around this given the complexity of trying to categorize everything that everyone is riding, but it would be nice to know how one's performance compares to anyone else who's getting the same degree of maximum assist. This case is complicated as different classes in motorsports based on displacement and power output.

     

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  • I support william o's reasoning and suggestions.

    For a possible improvement on that, maybe the leaderboard could require minimum 3 efforts, and post average of the last x # of efforts or the average of the sliding 365, or average best 3 efforts over a sliding 365 - rather than the 3rd best time in absolute.

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  • William O. Richard S

    Seeing how fast a group rolls through affects a small number of segments.  Some find it of value to compare themselves to pros rolling through.  You can already sort by time periods to exclude events, or by age or weight if that's a person's reason for being less than first.

    We don't need 3rd place medals, this isn't kindergarten where everyone gets one.

    Perhaps a 2nd place list for each rider, so you can see where you need to hone your efforts to become first.

     

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  • William O. I take your point and I have no objection to being able to filter out such leaderboards, but I would not like to see them deleted from the top 10 as they all earned the rides.

    I do think it would be nice if you could see all of your own top 10's because as it stands I cannot remember most of them and being able to see them would probably make me go after a few of them.

    I guess we all have our own preferences, for me local legends is pointless and I don't know anyone who cares about it, I think Strava are struggling to come up with anything better then chasing segments which is of course great fun and one of the main attractions.

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  • I have a feature request specific to the mobile app Starred Segments list (not necessarily relating to leaderboards, but this is the most relevant thread I could find)

    In the iOS app, if I go to my Profile -> Segments, I can see all of my starred segments. However, there's no way to find a specific segment or sort the list in any way. So if I have a lot of starred segments, it becomes very difficult to navigate. I recommend a search bar at the top to search by segment name, at the very least (or even better, some filters to narrow down by activity type, distance, elevation, etc, similar to the filters in the Profile -> Activities list view)

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  • Rich Lee, agreed.

    There also seem to be a lot of recumbents and velomobiles in the E-bike category.

    Currently, there seems to be an assumption that E-bikers don't care about fair competition in the same way that regular cyclists do. However as E-bikes become more and more common I suspect that this will change and Strava would do well to stay ahead of the curve.

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  • Erik Bakke

    I'm not proposing 3rd place medals, I mean these already exist anyway.

    What I am suggesting is that there is some way of rewarding local riders that isn't completely condescending and patronising like the local legends feature. I am precisely trying to avoid giving away medals just for showing up.

    My initial suggestion is for a leaderboard where you need a number of extremely fast times to earn a spot. One could legitimately argue that a rider who can consistently get times of say 2 minutes is more impressive than a rider who once got a 1:59 because they got extremely lucky with conditions (tailwind, drafting, closed roads, gps errors, green lights, etc.).

    Arguably this would even more challenging to get than a regular KOM, I'm not trying to make achievements easier to get at all.

    But this was just an idea of the top of my head in response to Richard. Perhaps you have a better idea? I love Isa Johnson 's suggested improvement above. We all (Steve Tucker) seem to agree that local legends is utterly pointless. There must be some way to recognise people who are both fast and consistent, something that you would be proud to earn.

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  • Thanks for all the thoughtful responses to my question. I think the idea of filtering out single efforts (like Erik and Isa's suggestions would do) could be a solution.  This would take care of another problem I just encountered; a triathlon was run along one of my favorite segments last month and now the first 18 pages of the leaderboard are from that race with the first couple pages containing professional athletes. I was a volunteer at an aid station and I saw a fair amount of drafting so these are not necessarily individual results. To be clear, I am not trying to be KOM on any segment. I just want to input goal times from other local riders as a motivational tool to get faster. The way the leaderboards are currently set up it is difficult to even find true individual efforts. 

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  • Segments Leaderboard to factor in the type of bicycle we are using..

    I only ride an MTB and while commuting I mostly use tarmac roads. The downside of this is that I am nowhere on the leaderboards because they're all TT bike times. It's important to me that I can thoroughly understand my fitness compared with other riders on MTB and not road bikes or TT bikes.

    Furthermore, certain singletracks I ride are only metres from the roads and it is impossible for an MTB to achieve KOM/QOM on these segments because of road bikes.

    Please add the type of bike to the leaderboard so we can more fairly reach achievements.

    Thanks!

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  • Lewis Cavanagh

    Leaderboards aren't fitness measures, use TrainingPeaks or the like for that.

    They are to measure the fastest time across a segment.

    William O.

    KOM's are hard to earn and pride inducing.  I'd just like to see adequate algorithms to help police them from e-bikes.  I don't believe the system needs to be re-jigged beyond that.  Not everyone is going to have a KOM or even be close, they are hard to earn.

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  • Erik Bakke

    As I have tried to make clear, I am totally in agreement that KOMs should be hard to earn. The current system is fine. For now.

    However Richard has a valid point, some segments are already out of reach because a pro level group has gone through. An individual cyclist, no matter how good they are, cannot compete on a level playing field. This segment is now effectively dead.

    Eventually this will happen to all reasonable routes. Eventually the segment leaderboards feature will become entirely pointless. Every reasonable segment will become static and unchanging. When this happens Strava's biggest selling point is gone.

    The only thing up for debate, is what kind of time period we are talking about. If it's a thousand years, who cares, right? But Strava is growing exponentially, a third of data was uploaded just in the last year. As you said earlier, currently this only affects a small number of segments, but that can only increase and it will increase a lot faster than most people think.

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  • Why only allow filtering the segment leader boards by "All" or "Women". Why not "Men" too? I've gotten top ten trophies before on segments that are apparently relative to men, not overall. But sometimes the segment is dominated by women so I can't even see how far I am off the (male) person ahead, or faster than the one behind.

    It used to be there years ago so I guess is now a paid feature? Seems like an odd thing to move behind a paywall.

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  • William O.

    I guess where we differ is in that I don't view a segment as "dead" just because a pro has it.  You can track your progress over time, and being 10th or whatever number against a pro is totally fine.  A digital crown on it's own at that point may just mean you're riding obscure segments.

    Masters compete in bike racing, or ironmans or whatever.  They don't beat pros.  They still are achievers.

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  • Erik Bakke

    Absolutely, but what I am concerned about is (and the example that Richard gave) when a large group goes through. In this scenario you can't even touch the 10th trophy, you can't even get on the first page.

    I've made this exact point several times. Having a single pro go by and take the odd KOM isn't a problem, in fact it's kind of cool seeing your name next to his. Wiping out any chance of even getting a trophy is another matter.

    As you say, there are keen cyclists who can't chase down a pro peloton, but they are still achievers. All I am suggesting is that Strava recognise these genuine achievements.

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  • Can you please do some sanity checking of KOMs and CRs? There are some road climbs dominated by drives because downhill MTB riders get shuttled up it. VAMs in the thousands should be a pretty big hint. Or going 30+MPH up a 12% climb.

    Same with people running a mile/5K/whatever under world record pace. Auto-flag and explain to the user. It would be nice if it could be done for individual segments in an activity. In the shuttle to ride downhill example riders will likely just unflag because they want to see their downhill times.

    Various suggestions like these have been made for years, but here's another reminder in case Strava wants to improve their leader boards.

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  • I would like if Strava segregated and displayed leaderboards according to each rider's metering equipment and/or account settings configuration.  The most serious riders are going to be equipped with both a power meter and a heart rate monitor.  So, those riders would get their own leaderboard, which would probably be seen as the most "legitimate" one, since achievements are fully metered, and could be verified by software for legitimacy—similarly to how it works in Zwift racing.

    There would also be an unmetered leaderboard for achievements attained where either power or heart rate data was missing—or while sitting in a car.  (Example: https://www.strava.com/activities/4541999752#2779544189909093398 ) Achievements that are metered, but which deviate wildly from the metrics of the ride (perhaps due to technical glitches) could be automatically relegated to the unmetered leaderboard by software, since it is possible that the achievement itself was legitimate, even though the metering was off.  E-bike riders could also get their own leaderboard, though it may be a bit hard to see the purpose of that.

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  • I want to get a summary of where I am on the leaderboard for all segments that I have done, e.g., a list of the segments where I am first in my age group, second, third, or not in the top three.  Let me know if this is possible, but I haven't seen it and I think that it would be motivating as a feature.

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  • What can be done if I suspect an account, or activity is bogus? When flagging a suspected ride comes back at me that the activity in question has already been resolved. I'm looking at overall high speeds for a segment, vs. average power, and calories burned in a ride. Also, HR zones. They should all kinda add up to what a hard effort looks like, but when high speeds on chunky rocky mountain bike terrain are 10+ mph faster than 2nd place, and the average power is way lower, and you spent the majority of the ride in HR Z5, but you still smashed a bunch of KOM's it just seems fishy to me. What is looked at by Strava when flagging a ride is disputed and the activity cleared? Also, the account in question follows zero and has zero followers. 

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  • TIM AZ

    Exactly.

    Like the "leader" of this segment, the name with Chinese characters: https://www.strava.com/segments/26782084?filter=overall

    I flagged it, it came back as "resolved".

    Others have too. 

    I commented on his ride, he wrote back "it was a mistake, I put in 15kg weight".  I replied OK, so delete the ride or crop it.  He doesn't.  Strava even saw that comment and still wouldn't remove it.  So apparently "resolved" includes admitting to cheating and leaving it up?

    Others comment with much more profanity.  

    Guy is a complete loser... just deletes the comments now that he learned how.

    Strava is inept and / or limp wristed on this.  Leaderboards are their core product.  And whatever this "resolved" BS is completely insulates an admitted cheater from proper community policing.

     

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  • Mojo Monkey

    Apparently these features already exist, and yet the most obvious activities don't get automatically flagged. Had one just the other day, they'd spent most of the time in a car, going 130km/h. How that is too difficult for an algorithm to detect I am not sure.

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